Re: FW: PDF spec (Was: Re: ooh! debian jewelry)

2004-01-01 Thread Bill Marcum
On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 09:25:21AM -0800, Sreelal Chandrasenan wrote: Isn't this the same ID10T that had all his email forwarded to the list a few days ago? -- When you say that you agree to a thing in principle, you mean that you have not the slightest intention of carrying it out in practice.

Re: FW: PDF spec (Was: Re: ooh! debian jewelry)

2004-01-01 Thread Bill Marcum
Oops, my bad, I was reading old messages. -- When you say that you agree to a thing in principle, you mean that you have not the slightest intention of carrying it out in practice. -- Otto Von Bismarck -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of

Re: PDF spec (Was: Re: ooh! debian jewelry)

2003-12-15 Thread Terry Hancock
On Sunday 14 December 2003 07:31 pm, Monique Y. Herman wrote: On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 at 15:54 GMT, J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) penned: On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 14:08:21 -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: Hrm, I could have sworn that PDF was a spec published by Adobe and freely usable, but google seems to

FW: PDF spec (Was: Re: ooh! debian jewelry)

2003-12-15 Thread Sreelal Chandrasenan
-Original Message- From: Terry Hancock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 9:27 AM To: debian users Subject: Re: PDF spec (Was: Re: ooh! debian jewelry) On Sunday 14 December 2003 07:31 pm, Monique Y. Herman wrote: On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 at 15:54 GMT, J.H.M. Dassen

Re: PDF spec (Was: Re: ooh! debian jewelry)

2003-12-14 Thread J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)
On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 14:08:21 -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: Hrm, I could have sworn that PDF was a spec published by Adobe and freely usable, but google seems to disagree. Google isn't quite the all-seeing eye yet. http://partners.adobe.com/asn/tech/pdf/specifications.jsp has e.g. the

Re: PDF spec (Was: Re: ooh! debian jewelry)

2003-12-14 Thread Terry Hancock
On Sunday 14 December 2003 09:54 am, J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) wrote: http://partners.adobe.com/asn/tech/pdf/specifications.jsp has e.g. the PDF Reference, Fourth Edition, Version 1.5 (1172 pages). xpdf seems to handle the Acrobat 5 version of it just fine. Hmm. Yes, that's very interesting. I

Re: PDF spec (Was: Re: ooh! debian jewelry)

2003-12-14 Thread J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)
On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 12:56:45 -0600, Terry Hancock wrote: I accessed this without registering because you provided a deep-link, but normally, Adobe makes you go through a forms process to get this far, AFAICT. Nope. I very vaguely recalled it being available on developer.adobe.com (which

Re: PDF spec (Was: Re: ooh! debian jewelry)

2003-12-14 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:50:32 -0600, Terry Hancock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I attended media production classes for staff at Caltech in which making maximum use of these PDF 5 features was *really* pushed hard (sometime last year). No doubt they had also

Re: PDF spec (Was: Re: ooh! debian jewelry)

2003-12-14 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 at 15:54 GMT, J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) penned: On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 14:08:21 -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: Hrm, I could have sworn that PDF was a spec published by Adobe and freely usable, but google seems to disagree. Google isn't quite the all-seeing eye yet.

Re: PDF spec (Was: Re: ooh! debian jewelry)

2003-12-14 Thread Raghavendra Bhat
Monique posts: I could have sworn that PDF was a spec published by Adobe and freely usable, but google seems to disagree Should the PDF format be used and recommended by governments? The Govt. of India is calling for opinions and this link is interesting

PDF spec (Was: Re: ooh! debian jewelry)

2003-12-13 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 at 20:36 GMT, Terry Hancock penned: Furthermore, PDF isn't really an open data format, just a closed one that turned out to be easier to crack than .doc files. Adobe isn't any nicer about sharing their standards than Microsoft is. The fact that we have good Linux

Re: PDF spec (Was: Re: ooh! debian jewelry)

2003-12-13 Thread Terry Hancock
On Saturday 13 December 2003 03:08 pm, Monique Y. Herman wrote: Oops. Hrm, I could have sworn that PDF was a spec published by Adobe and freely usable, but google seems to disagree. It references some old links from the adobe site, but they seem to have been removed. PDF 5.x is supposed to

Re: PDF spec (Was: Re: ooh! debian jewelry)

2003-12-13 Thread Nunya
On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 10:08:07PM -0600, Terry Hancock wrote: This is equally true of DOC format, too, though. We *could* adopt some prior version of it as a standard, seeing as several open word processors can handle them already. Many PDFs I get don't display correctly in gv. The

Re: PDF spec (Was: Re: ooh! debian jewelry)

2003-12-13 Thread Nunya
On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 10:08:07PM -0600, Terry Hancock wrote: It would be conceivable to call PDF 4 an open standard, since Ghostscript can already handle it. But we really ought to make a distinction, since the newer versions are incompatible. Or, I could even quote the right paragraph.

Re: PDF spec (Was: Re: ooh! debian jewelry)

2003-12-13 Thread Terry Hancock
On Saturday 13 December 2003 10:11 pm, Nunya wrote: On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 10:08:07PM -0600, Terry Hancock wrote: It would be conceivable to call PDF 4 an open standard, since Ghostscript can already handle it. But we really ought to make a distinction, since the newer versions are