Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-11-02 Thread csj
On Sun, 2 Nov 2003 02:17:47 +1100, Rob Weir wrote: csj wrote: Real world case: scribus (probably the best GPL'ed or better DTP app). I never did find out about this. If it doesn't work, perhaps you should file a wishlist bug on the package asking for support. Apparently fixed in

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-11-01 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 04:19:48PM -0800, Daniel L. Miller said csj wrote: Real world case: scribus (probably the best GPL'ed or better DTP app). I never did find out about this. If it doesn't work, perhaps you should file a wishlist bug on the package asking for support. But doing this

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-29 Thread Daniel L. Miller
csj wrote: At Sat, 18 Oct 2003 05:46:15 +1000, Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 07:59:16AM +0800, csj said On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 03:27:14 +1000, Rob Weir wrote: Yes, defoma aka Debian Font Manager. When you install a new font, it handles setting up symlinks and such so that you can just

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-23 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 07:28:36AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said Rob, Thanks much for writing this up. One issue I have problems with is solving font problems with specific applications. It think that's due to my general lack of understanding of fonts, and that there's more than one

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-23 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 02:23:02AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob, Thanks much for writing this up. One issue I have problems with is solving font problems with specific applications. It think that's due to my general lack of

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-22 Thread kmark
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob, Thanks much for writing this up. One issue I have problems with is solving font problems with specific applications. It think that's due to my general lack of understanding of fonts, and that there's more than one font system in use. I

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-22 Thread Ken Irving
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 02:23:02AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... One issue I have problems with is solving font problems with specific applications. It think that's due to my general lack of understanding of fonts, and that there's more

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-21 Thread moseley
Rob, Thanks much for writing this up. One issue I have problems with is solving font problems with specific applications. It think that's due to my general lack of understanding of fonts, and that there's more than one font system in use. I would love to see a trouble shooting section. I'm

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-19 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 07:43:40PM +0200, Osamu Aoki said On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 06:56:10PM +1000, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 08:09:56PM +0200, Osamu Aoki said Since it is a small topic, if you wish, I will be grad to make it a part of Debian Reference. Rewite around:

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-18 Thread csj
At Sat, 18 Oct 2003 05:46:15 +1000, Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 07:59:16AM +0800, csj said On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 03:27:14 +1000, Rob Weir wrote: Yes, defoma aka Debian Font Manager. When you install a new font, it handles setting up symlinks and such so that you can just

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-18 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 04:33:15PM -0700, Ross Boylan said Rob, thanks for making this available. I have one comment. On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 06:33:09PM +1000, Rob Weir wrote: 4) Add :unscaled to the end of the 100dpi and 75dpi font lines, so they look like this FontPath

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-18 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 08:09:56PM +0200, Osamu Aoki said Rob, On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 06:58:45AM -0700, M. Kirchhoff wrote: Quoting Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've just spent a while expanding on my short guide that I've used on the list a couple of times. It's available from

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-18 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 06:56:10PM +1000, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 08:09:56PM +0200, Osamu Aoki said Rob, On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 06:58:45AM -0700, M. Kirchhoff wrote: Quoting Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've just spent a while expanding on my short guide that

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-17 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 03:07:52PM -0700, Paul Yeatman said The debconf message for defoma told me to put /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType as a FontPath in XF86Config-4 but my /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfon t-conf.d/dirs/TrueType/ directory contains nothing but the file,

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-17 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 07:59:16AM +0800, csj said On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 03:27:14 +1000, Rob Weir wrote: Yes, defoma aka Debian Font Manager. When you install a new font, it handles setting up symlinks and such so that you can just point X at /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType,

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-17 Thread Paul Yeatman
-In response to your message- --received from Rob Weir-- Determining which true type font package to install myself isn't so obvious. Looks like any package starting with ttf- are true type font packages. The only three that don't seem to be for another language are the non-free

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-16 Thread Paul Yeatman
-In response to your message- --received from Rob Weir-- On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 12:05:21PM -0700, Paul Yeatman said So, for the sake of clarification as some conflicting statements have been made, as long as the FontPath to /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType is given in

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-16 Thread csj
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 03:27:14 +1000, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 07:47:50AM +0800, csj said [...] Your detailed tips have me wondering if there's really an official(tm) Debian way of managing fonts, something relatively easy like dpkg-reconfigure. Yes, defoma aka Debian

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-15 Thread csj
At Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:33:09 +1000, Rob Weir wrote: [...] For GNOME2 and KDE3, you need to setup fontconfig which Xft2 uses to find fonts. I'll get to that in a minute. I didn't have to do anything to get my fonts available to GNOME2 and KDE3. I've always been puzzled tho why my GTK1 apps

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-15 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 07:47:50AM +0800, csj said At Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:33:09 +1000, Rob Weir wrote: [...] For GNOME2 and KDE3, you need to setup fontconfig which Xft2 uses to find fonts. I'll get to that in a minute. I didn't have to do anything to get my fonts available to

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-15 Thread M. Kirchhoff
Quoting Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]: For some apocryphal reason I think I need it for fluxbox to be pretty. But I might need to rexamine my assumptions :-) Or perhaps I'm getting confused when I messed around with xterm's XFT ability. Depends on what version of fluxbox you're using. Version

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-15 Thread Paul Yeatman
-In response to your message- --received from Rob Weir-- Yes, defoma aka Debian Font Manager. When you install a new font, it handles setting up symlinks and such so that you can just point X at /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType, and leave it alone. Without defoma, you'd

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-15 Thread Tom
I just did a clean reinstall of SID (I keep a local mirror and have it scripted down to 30 minutes :-)). My /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType/fonts.alias is an empty file. Here's the the contents of that directory: # ls /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType/

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-15 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 12:05:21PM -0700, Paul Yeatman said So, for the sake of clarification as some conflicting statements have been made, as long as the FontPath to /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType is given in XF86Config-4, the order of the FontPaths doesn't matter, ie. even

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-14 Thread Paul William
(4) requires a working (1) and moreover requires modifying /etc/X11/XftConfig; in particular enabling anti-aliasing (match edit rgba = rgb) and pointing to TrueType (dir ..path..to..bitstream-vera). (4) is representive of all Xft v1 apps. (4) also takes care of old GTK1 apps. I am

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-14 Thread Marshal Wong
On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 20:25, M. Kirchhoff wrote: While looking through the deb-user archives for some font-related info, I discovered that there is still an insane amount of confusion regarding fonts under XFree86. Googling, which new users tend to rely on, results in myriad yet often

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-14 Thread Tom
On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 07:34:05PM +1300, Paul William wrote: (4) requires a working (1) and moreover requires modifying /etc/X11/XftConfig; in particular enabling anti-aliasing (match edit rgba = rgb) and pointing to TrueType (dir ..path..to..bitstream-vera). (4) is representive of

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-14 Thread M. Kirchhoff
Quoting Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've just spent a while expanding on my short guide that I've used on the list a couple of times. It's available from http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt and is reproduced below so people can criticies it more easily :) By jove, you've got it!!!

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-14 Thread M. Kirchhoff
Quoting Ross Boylan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Personally, I think restricting the focus to stable, or just certain aspects of it, is a bit limiting, but it's your call. I'm the rare breed that actually runs Stable on my production, every-day-use desktop. I'm not a programmer, and I do very little

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-14 Thread Rob Weir
[erk, to the list now] On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 08:25:30PM -0700, M. Kirchhoff said While looking through the deb-user archives for some font-related info, I discovered that there is still an insane amount of confusion regarding fonts under XFree86. Googling, which new users tend to rely on,

RE: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-14 Thread Wathen, Metherion
-Original Message- From: M. Kirchhoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 9:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused Quoting Ross Boylan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Personally, I think restricting the focus to stable

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-14 Thread Paul Yeatman
Rob Weir, great guide, thanks! Two questions though from someone with no fonts understanding. It seems assumed that: FontPath unix/:7100# local font server is right out? (I think someone in this thread mentioned a font server not being necessary for most users)

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-14 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 10:30:26AM -0700, Paul Yeatman said Two questions though from someone with no fonts understanding. It seems assumed that: FontPath unix/:7100# local font server XFree86 4 can read TrueType fonts all by itself, so there's no need to use

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-14 Thread Ross Boylan
Rob, thanks for making this available. I have one comment. On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 06:33:09PM +1000, Rob Weir wrote: 4) Add :unscaled to the end of the 100dpi and 75dpi font lines, so they look like this FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled FontPath

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-14 Thread M. Kirchhoff
Quoting Ross Boylan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Rob, thanks for making this available. I have one comment. On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 06:33:09PM +1000, Rob Weir wrote: 4) Add :unscaled to the end of the 100dpi and 75dpi font lines, so they look like this FontPath

RE: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-13 Thread M. Kirchhoff
As an addition, note that this guide will cover only the X core font system. AFAIK (and correct me if I'm wrong), fontconfig is not available under Stable, which rules out a discussion of Xft at this time... I'm pledging to keep the guide up-to-date, so at some point it will cover the transition

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-13 Thread Tom
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 08:25:30PM -0700, M. Kirchhoff wrote: This guide will cover *only* stand-alone workstations. As of Xfree 4.x, it is absolutely unnecessary to run a font server if serving fonts isn't a requisite, i.e. most users. It will also cover on Woody stable. There will be no

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-13 Thread David Palmer.
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:25:30 -0700 M. Kirchhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While looking through the deb-user archives for some font-related info, I discovered that there is still an insane amount of confusion regarding fonts under XFree86. Googling, which new users tend to rely on, results in

Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

2003-10-13 Thread Ross Boylan
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 08:53:22PM -0700, M. Kirchhoff wrote: As an addition, note that this guide will cover only the X core font system. AFAIK (and correct me if I'm wrong), fontconfig is not available under Stable, which rules out a discussion of Xft at this time... I'm pledging to keep