Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-02 Thread Erik Steffl
On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 18:52, Tom wrote: On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 07:42:03PM -0700, Wesley J Landaker wrote: (I have a theory, but I don't want to influence what you say). But, now I'm curious... what is your theory? Funny timing, I just said it in my previous email a couple of minutes

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-02 Thread Christophe Courtois
Le Dimanche 2 Novembre 2003 04:55, Bijan Soleymani a déclamé : On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 09:01:38PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: What is the gender of Unix? Also masculine I believe. Yep. I think Debian is feminine though. Un Unix proprietaire. Une Debian Sid. La Debian, la distribution la

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-02 Thread Christophe Courtois
Le Dimanche 2 Novembre 2003 05:17, Bijan Soleymani a déclamé : What is the gender of geek? The same as the person who is called a geek. (Pronunciation : djik , from English ) Il est un geek. C'est un geek. Sa femme est une geeke. Sa femme est une geek. (no feminine form, this is

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-02 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 04:09, Christophe Courtois wrote: Le Dimanche 2 Novembre 2003 05:17, Bijan Soleymani a déclamé : What is the gender of geek? The same as the person who is called a geek. (Pronunciation : djik , from English ) Jeek? Not a hard G, like the word Gaul? Il est

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-02 Thread Christophe Courtois
Le Dimanche 2 Novembre 2003 03:42, Wesley J Landaker a déclamé : Then again, as I said, I'm not a native French speaker, and although I've got *fairly* good inuition into a word's gender, I still make mistakes! ;) Don't worry, even French people don't always know all genders :-) --

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-02 Thread Christophe Courtois
Le Dimanche 2 Novembre 2003 11:29, Ron Johnson a déclamé : The same as the person who is called a geek. (Pronunciation : djik , from English ) Jeek? Not a hard G, like the word Gaul? Yes, more like an English would say 'jeek'. Probably because g+e in French is pronounced the same as

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-02 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Christophe Courtois wrote: Le Dimanche 2 Novembre 2003 03:42, Wesley J Landaker a déclamé : Then again, as I said, I'm not a native French speaker, and although I've got *fairly* good inuition into a word's gender, I still make mistakes! ;) Don't worry, even French people don't always know all

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-02 Thread Tom
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 09:56:30AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Christophe Courtois wrote: Le Dimanche 2 Novembre 2003 03:42, Wesley J Landaker a déclamé : Then again, as I said, I'm not a native French speaker, and although I've got *fairly* good inuition into a word's gender, I still

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-02 Thread Christophe Courtois
Le Dimanche 2 Novembre 2003 16:56, Hugo Vanwoerkom a déclamé : Christophe Courtois wrote: Le Dimanche 2 Novembre 2003 03:42, Wesley J Landaker a déclamé : a native French speaker, and although I've got *fairly* good inuition into a word's gender, I still make mistakes! ;) Don't worry, even

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-02 Thread Christophe Courtois
Le Dimanche 2 Novembre 2003 07:20, Bijan Soleymani a déclamé : Hmmm... what exactly does the word Linux sound like in French? The Li is kind of like Lee, the nux is kind of like nooks. It seems that people speaking only English can't pronounce the 'u' the way we use it - does not seem to

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-02 Thread Tom
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 07:26:52PM +0100, Christophe Courtois wrote: Le Dimanche 2 Novembre 2003 07:20, Bijan Soleymani a déclamé : Hmmm... what exactly does the word Linux sound like in French? The Li is kind of like Lee, the nux is kind of like nooks. It seems that people speaking

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-02 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 07:26:52PM +0100, Christophe Courtois wrote: Le Dimanche 2 Novembre 2003 07:20, Bijan Soleymani a d?clam? : Hmmm... what exactly does the word Linux sound like in French? The Li is kind of like Lee, the nux is kind of like nooks. It seems that people speaking

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-02 Thread Cam Ellison
* Christophe Courtois ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: As there is almost no logic, this normal. And it changes from language to language: when speaking German I always wonder which gender to use for half of words - and they have three genders... :-( When learning Latin, I had to learn many

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-02 Thread Tom
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 01:05:54PM -0800, Cam Ellison wrote: The main point is, I think, that regularity is a fiction, but we keep trying to attain it because it makes communicating easier. Gender in language has nothing to do with men and women. It's a convenient fiction employed to

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-02 Thread Pigeon
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 01:20:21AM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote: On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 03:26:35AM +, Pigeon wrote: On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 08:13:02PM -0500, David P James wrote: On November 01, 2003 09:12, Rus Foster wrote: Hi All, Just trying to work out in French is Linux

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-02 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 07:37:59PM +, Pigeon wrote: On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 01:20:21AM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote: On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 03:26:35AM +, Pigeon wrote: On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 08:13:02PM -0500, David P James wrote: On November 01, 2003 09:12, Rus Foster wrote:

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Wesley J Landaker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 01 November 2003 7:12 am, Rus Foster wrote: Hi All, Just trying to work out in French is Linux masculine or feminine? (Disclaimer: I'm not a native Francophone; but this is the experience I've had with colloquial usage of Linux in

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Tom
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 09:48:25AM -0700, Wesley J Landaker wrote: Le Linux is typically used as masculine, but I've seen it, less often, used as feminine, la Linux. I'm not aware that it is officially anything, but to me as a French-speaker, it feels more like a masculine noun. Do some

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 02:12:31PM +, Rus Foster wrote: Hi All, Just trying to work out in French is Linux masculine or feminine? I think it's masculine as in le linux. Bijan -- Bijan Soleymani [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.crasseux.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Christophe Courtois
Le Samedi 1 Novembre 2003 15:12, Rus Foster a déclamé : Just trying to work out in French is Linux masculine or feminine? Masculine (ex: Un Linux est plus stable qu'un Windows). Don't ask me why. -- Christophe Courtois - Ostwald, Alsace, France http://www.courtois.cc/ - Clé PGP : 0F33E837

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Christophe Courtois
Le Samedi 1 Novembre 2003 17:48, Wesley J Landaker a déclamé : Le Linux is typically used as masculine, but I've seen it, less often, used as feminine, la Linux. I'm not aware that it is officially anything, but to me as a French-speaker, it feels more like a masculine noun. (I'm French)

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Pigeon
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 06:08:46PM +0100, Christophe Courtois wrote: Le Samedi 1 Novembre 2003 17:48, Wesley J Landaker a d?clam? : Le Linux is typically used as masculine, but I've seen it, less often, used as feminine, la Linux. I'm not aware that it is officially anything, but to me as a

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread David P James
On November 01, 2003 09:12, Rus Foster wrote: Hi All, Just trying to work out in French is Linux masculine or feminine? I'd say it's masculine for a couple of reasons. First, it just sounds better as le Linux compared to la Linux. Second, it has a consonant ending and such words are

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Tom
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 08:13:02PM -0500, David P James wrote: On November 01, 2003 09:12, Rus Foster wrote: Hi All, Just trying to work out in French is Linux masculine or feminine? I'd say it's masculine for a couple of reasons. First, it just sounds better as le Linux compared to

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Wesley J Landaker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 01 November 2003 9:54 am, Tom wrote: On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 09:48:25AM -0700, Wesley J Landaker wrote: Le Linux is typically used as masculine, but I've seen it, less often, used as feminine, la Linux. I'm not aware that it is

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread David P James
On November 01, 2003 20:28, Tom wrote: I don't have a high degree of confidence in this statement, but I would guess things that cause action seem masculine, and words that receive action seem feminine. You know, the whole Freudian nine yards. Things that jut out vs. things that recede,

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Tom
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 07:42:03PM -0700, Wesley J Landaker wrote: (I have a theory, but I don't want to influence what you say). But, now I'm curious... what is your theory? Funny timing, I just said it in my previous email a couple of minutes ago. My (rather facile) theory is that it's

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread John Hasler
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Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Scott C. Linnenbringer
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003, at 14:12 +, Rus Foster wrote: Hi All, Just trying to work out in French is Linux masculine or feminine? Masculine, of course. Men developed Linux, men primarily use Linux, playing around with powerful operating systems built on top of Linux is a man's thing, et

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Scott C. Linnenbringer
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003, at 21:01 -0600, John Hasler wrote: What is the gender of Unix? L'unix sounds pretty cool. Would that make it feminine? -- scott c. linnenbringer[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.panix.com/~sl [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 21:01, John Hasler wrote: What is the gender of Unix? What is the gender of geek? -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA After seeing all the viruses, trojan horses, worms and Reply mails

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 09:01:38PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: What is the gender of Unix? Also masculine I believe. I think Debian is feminine though. Un Unix proprietaire. Une Debian Sid. La Debian, la distribution la plus libre. I think people might pronounce Debian as though it was written

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 09:50:08PM -0600, Scott C. Linnenbringer wrote: On Sat, Nov 01, 2003, at 21:01 -0600, John Hasler wrote: What is the gender of Unix? L'unix sounds pretty cool. Would that make it feminine? l' can be either masculine or feminine. You see in french you can't have

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 09:53:48PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 21:01, John Hasler wrote: What is the gender of Unix? What is the gender of geek? I don't know what it is off the top of my head. It's always a tough call with foreign words. But I think the tendency nowadays

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 09:47:30PM -0600, Scott C. Linnenbringer wrote: On Sat, Nov 01, 2003, at 14:12 +, Rus Foster wrote: Hi All, Just trying to work out in French is Linux masculine or feminine? Masculine, of course. Men developed Linux, men primarily use Linux, playing around

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 22:17, Bijan Soleymani wrote: On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 09:53:48PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 21:01, John Hasler wrote: What is the gender of Unix? What is the gender of geek? I don't know what it is off the top of my head. It's always a tough

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 19:24:13 +, Pigeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 06:08:46PM +0100, Christophe Courtois wrote: Le Samedi 1 Novembre 2003 17:48, Wesley J Landaker a d?clam? : Le Linux is typically used as masculine, but I've seen it,

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 09:01:38PM -0600, John Hasler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: What is the gender of Unix? Or eunuchs? Is neuter a masculine or feminine in French? Peace. -- Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of Gestalt don't you understand?

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Pigeon
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 08:13:02PM -0500, David P James wrote: On November 01, 2003 09:12, Rus Foster wrote: Hi All, Just trying to work out in French is Linux masculine or feminine? I'd say it's masculine for a couple of reasons. First, it just sounds better as le Linux compared to

Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

2003-11-01 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 03:26:35AM +, Pigeon wrote: On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 08:13:02PM -0500, David P James wrote: On November 01, 2003 09:12, Rus Foster wrote: Hi All, Just trying to work out in French is Linux masculine or feminine? I'd say it's masculine for a couple of