On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 03:59:41PM -0400, Carl Fink wrote:
I'm using 2.4.18 myself, but that isn't relevant to the original
poster's request for a stable distribution using (meaning something
like coming with) a 2.4.x kernel.
But woody does come with kernel 2.4.x. Just because it's not
Ian == Ian D Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ian And yes, I do find it condescending. Particularly the reference to
Ian 'unwashed masses' and the general attitude of 'I have done this thing
Ian because it pleases me. You should be content that I allow you to
Ian benefit from my labor.'
On Wed, 2002-06-05 at 13:32, John Schmidt wrote:
I certainly appreciate the multiple architecture support of Debian. I
have it installed on a powerpc, m68k, and x86 box. I initially
installed it on my m68k box, since Debian was the only distribution
that supported it. I made the switch
Noah == Noah Meyerhans [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Noah On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 02:47:59PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Indeed, the security team indicated that potato support would
have to be dropped summarily when woody was released _unless_ changes
were made (or a decision would have to
Hi Stephen!
On Wed, 05 Jun 2002, Stephen Ryan wrote:
On Wed, 2002-06-05 at 13:32, John Schmidt wrote:
I certainly appreciate the multiple architecture support of Debian. I
have it installed on a powerpc, m68k, and x86 box. I initially
installed it on my m68k box, since Debian was
On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 02:14:14PM -0300, Michel Loos wrote:
| You have 2 stable releases which are up-to-date:
| woody and sid
| They are perfectly stable, but the distribution is changing
| just like the RedHat distribution is changing every few weeks,
| the only difference is that they call
| Are you really named Brooks Robinson or is that a nom du net?
Yes this is my true and given name. Long story short: my brother was a fan,
my mom agreed to something she never thought would happen
| My conclusion is that Woody is effectively released already.
|
| So, Woody changed to a 2.4
| Uh huh. And get cracked tomorrow because security updates are *not*
| being made for woody at this time. There is a list of approximately a
| dozen *known* security problems with woody that will be dealt with
| *later*. Updates are not propogating from sid to woody at all right
| now, even
Ian D. Stewart wrote:
While stating that you don't give a rip about the users may be
intelectually honest, one should not be surprised when
such statements endanger userbase loyalty.
And, as he said: he doesn't care. Doesn't care because no
developers will leave and the users leaving doesn't
Ivo Wever [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And, as he said: he doesn't care. Doesn't care because no
developers will leave and the users leaving doesn't endanger
the existance of Debian; in essence the developers are making
it for themselves.
Maybe the developers should amend the Social Contract
On Wednesday 05 June 2002 03:00 pm, Alan Shutko wrote:
Ivo Wever [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And, as he said: he doesn't care. Doesn't care because no
developers will leave and the users leaving doesn't endanger
the existance of Debian; in essence the developers are making
it for
Alan Shutko wrote:
Ivo Wever [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And, as he said: he doesn't care. Doesn't care because no
developers will leave and the users leaving doesn't endanger
the existance of Debian; in essence the developers are making
it for themselves.
Maybe the developers should amend
Alan == Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Alan Maybe the developers should amend the Social Contract to make this
Alan more explicit? At least in the vote, it would become clear to what
Alan degree that statement is true or untrue.
Ah, yes, the social contract argument. I said
ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
please stop propogating the rumor that manoj said that he didn't care about
the users. read the full thread.
I wasn't. I was responding to the post I quoted. Apologies if it was
too subtle.
--
Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - In a variety of flavors!
May Euell
Ivo == Ivo Wever [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ivo It is an unqualified statement indeed. I'm just exagerating
Ivo Manojs point and claim I understand it (because calling it
Ivo 'condescending' supposes that the majority of the society feels
Ivo that way and I want to make clear that at least one
On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 06:00:23PM -0400, Alan Shutko wrote:
(With 2000 developers, any unqualified statement is likely to be
false)
For the record, the number is currently 1073 (unless I made a mistake in
my database query). Of course, not all of those are active.
--
Colin Watson
Manoj wrote:
Are you sure condescending means what you think it means? (Oh,
BTW, that is me being condescending again).
I don't consider that condescending.
Condescending, in context, implied that I felt superior to the people I
was talking to. There was no suggestion that any one
Alan Shutko wrote:
(With 2000 developers, any unqualified statement is likely to be
false)
I'm unsure where this 2000 developers number that I've seen floating
around this list comes from. At last count, when we were preparing the
release announcement, there were less than 1000, and of
Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
For the record, the number is currently 1073 (unless I made a mistake in
my database query). Of course, not all of those are active.
Oh, that's the problem then. If we had 2000 developers, woody would
have been out in half the time, right? ;^)
--
Alan
On Wednesday 05 June 2002 01:57 pm, Jeronimo Pellegrini wrote:
How does FreeBSD manage to stay reasonably secure and stable, yet modern
(compared to Potato)?
I think it's because they don't have a zero-bugs release policy like
Debian. The base system is stable. The stuff in the ports tree
On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 04:41:39PM -0500, Brooks R. Robinson wrote:
It was not my intention to lead users astray, my intention was to enlighten
people to the fact that testing is, for the most part, not going to change.
The security fixes are flowing into sid. It's not a big trick to get
Someone posted that security updates can simply be downloaded from
Sid and used with Woody.
However, at least one package in unstable is already not installable
on my Woody box, because a library has been upgraded in Sid.
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Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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