Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Tue 25 Apr 2017 at 14:09:15 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Mon 24 Apr 2017 at 15:10:16 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > On Mon 24 Apr 2017 at 19:37:22 (+0100), Brian wrote: > > > > > > A modicum of reassurance and help is never wasted, particularly for > > > those users who come to this thread in

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Sat 22 Apr 2017 at 09:43:25 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 04/22/2017 08:45 AM, Brian wrote: > > > >Any better? > > > > brian@laptop:~$ lspci | grep Texas > > 00:10.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCIxx21/x515 Cardbus Controller > > 00:10.2 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Mon 24 Apr 2017 at 15:10:16 -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Mon 24 Apr 2017 at 19:37:22 (+0100), Brian wrote: > > > > A modicum of reassurance and help is never wasted, particularly for > > those users who come to this thread in the future. > > > > My laptop has a single slotted reader on

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Mon 24 Apr 2017 at 19:37:22 (+0100), Brian wrote: > On Sun 23 Apr 2017 at 20:46:39 +0100, Brian wrote: > > > On Wed 12 Apr 2017 at 06:18:51 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > > Due to circumstances, will note rule out any of hardware, software, or > > > confused operator as underlying

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Sun 23 Apr 2017 at 20:46:39 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Wed 12 Apr 2017 at 06:18:51 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > Due to circumstances, will note rule out any of hardware, software, or > > confused operator as underlying cause. > > > > BACKGROUND: > > The hardware is a used Lenovo T510

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Wed 12 Apr 2017 at 06:18:51 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > Due to circumstances, will note rule out any of hardware, software, or > confused operator as underlying cause. > > BACKGROUND: > The hardware is a used Lenovo T510 laptop purchased a couple of months ago. This machine has an

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Sat 22 Apr 2017 at 13:34:41 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 04/22/2017 01:00 PM, Brian wrote: > >On Sat 22 Apr 2017 at 11:56:27 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > >>On 04/22/2017 06:47 AM, Brian wrote: > >>>On Wed 19 Apr 2017 at 15:16:52 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > >>> > On

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Sat 22 Apr 2017 at 13:34:41 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 04/22/2017 01:00 PM, Brian wrote: > > > >When I spoke of "5-in-1 reader" I was using your description in > > > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/04/msg00505.html > > > >IOW, I was referring to the reader which is inbuilt

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On 04/22/2017 01:00 PM, Brian wrote: On Sat 22 Apr 2017 at 11:56:27 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 04/22/2017 06:47 AM, Brian wrote: On Wed 19 Apr 2017 at 15:16:52 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 04/19/2017 02:31 PM, Brian wrote: As I have detailed elsewhere,

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Sat 22 Apr 2017 at 19:00:50 +0100, Brian wrote: > When I spoke of "5-in-1 reader" I was using your description in > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/04/msg00505.html > > IOW, I was referring to the reader which is inbuilt into the Lenovo. Are > these data for when your recently

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Sat 22 Apr 2017 at 11:56:27 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 04/22/2017 06:47 AM, Brian wrote: > >On Wed 19 Apr 2017 at 15:16:52 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > >>On 04/19/2017 02:31 PM, Brian wrote: > >>> > >>>As I have detailed elsewhere, > >>> >

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On 04/22/2017 06:47 AM, Brian wrote: On Wed 19 Apr 2017 at 15:16:52 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 04/19/2017 02:31 PM, Brian wrote: As I have detailed elsewhere, https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/04/msg00578.html the card becomes visible to GRUB with its nativedisk command. The

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On 04/22/2017 08:45 AM, Brian wrote: On Sat 22 Apr 2017 at 15:35:33 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 22/04/2017 à 14:50, Brian a écrit : On Wed 19 Apr 2017 at 21:10:36 -0500, David Wright wrote: My guess from this is that the former SD card is connected to the USB bus whereas the latter is

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

Le 22/04/2017 à 15:45, Brian a écrit : On Sat 22 Apr 2017 at 15:35:33 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: 0b:00.1 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter (rev 13) Kernel driver in use: sdhci-pci (taken on my own ThinkPad, but what the heck, it does not have

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Sat 22 Apr 2017 at 15:35:33 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Le 22/04/2017 à 14:50, Brian a écrit : > >On Wed 19 Apr 2017 at 21:10:36 -0500, David Wright wrote: > >> > >>My guess from this is that the former SD card is connected to the > >>USB bus whereas the latter is connected to a different

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

Le 22/04/2017 à 00:11, David Wright a écrit : On Wed 19 Apr 2017 at 20:25:46 (+0200), Pascal Hambourg wrote: The boot order in the BIOS has no effect on the device discovery and naming in the Linux system. Also, most of the times USB devices lose the discovery race against ATA devices due to

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

Le 22/04/2017 à 14:50, Brian a écrit : On Wed 19 Apr 2017 at 21:10:36 -0500, David Wright wrote: My guess from this is that the former SD card is connected to the USB bus whereas the latter is connected to a different bus. The likely candidate from what I've read is the PCIe bus. Good guess.

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Wed 19 Apr 2017 at 21:10:36 -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 23:21:33 (+0100), Brian wrote: > > > > Nobody in this thread, apart from the OP, has a Lenovo and an SD card. > > He is in the best position to test and report on this suggestion. Less > > than twenty minutes work.

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Wed 19 Apr 2017 at 15:16:52 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 04/19/2017 02:31 PM, Brian wrote: > > > >As I have detailed elsewhere, > > > >https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/04/msg00578.html > > > >the card becomes visible to GRUB with its nativedisk command. The OP has > >a reader

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Wed 19 Apr 2017 at 20:25:46 (+0200), Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Le 19/04/2017 à 09:46, GiaThnYgeia a écrit : > > > >Question: You have a system with everything on a HD /dev/sda, you use > >/dev/sdb a live disk to boot and install debian on /dev/sdc including > >the grub on /dev/sdc > >You unplug

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Thu 20 Apr 2017 at 07:51:47 (+0200), Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Le 20/04/2017 à 04:10, David Wright a écrit : > > > >AFAICT cards that can boot appear later as: > > > >$ ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/ [edited] > >usb-General_Combo_CardMMC_SD_12345678-0:0 -> ../../sdb >

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

Le 20/04/2017 à 04:10, David Wright a écrit : AFAICT cards that can boot appear later as: $ ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/ [edited] usb-General_Combo_CardMMC_SD_12345678-0:0 -> ../../sdb usb-General_Combo_CardMMC_SD_12345678-0:0-part1 -> ../../sdb1

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 23:21:33 (+0100), Brian wrote: > On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 16:30:29 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 19:57:32 (+0100), Brian wrote: > > > On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 13:08:30 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > > > > On 04/15/2017 12:24 PM, Brian wrote: > > > >

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On 04/19/2017 02:31 PM, Brian wrote: On Wed 19 Apr 2017 at 20:39:35 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 19/04/2017 à 00:27, Brian a écrit : On Wed 19 Apr 2017 at 00:12:15 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 18/04/2017 à 21:14, Brian a écrit : However, my main point was that the kernel

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Wed 19 Apr 2017 at 20:39:35 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Le 19/04/2017 à 00:27, Brian a écrit : > >On Wed 19 Apr 2017 at 00:12:15 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > > > >>Le 18/04/2017 à 21:14, Brian a écrit : > >>> > >>>However, my main point was that the kernel > >>>identifying a card as a

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

Le 19/04/2017 à 00:27, Brian a écrit : On Wed 19 Apr 2017 at 00:12:15 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 18/04/2017 à 21:14, Brian a écrit : However, my main point was that the kernel identifying a card as a /dev/sdX disk does not imply it will necessarily be visible to GRUB and bootable by

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

Le 19/04/2017 à 09:46, GiaThnYgeia a écrit : Question: You have a system with everything on a HD /dev/sda, you use /dev/sdb a live disk to boot and install debian on /dev/sdc including the grub on /dev/sdc You unplug the live disk and reboot, what will grub do by default, what systems will it

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

The Wanderer: > On 2017-04-18 at 15:42, Brian wrote: > >> On Tue 18 Apr 2017 at 20:55:43 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: >> >>> Le 17/04/2017 à 22:46, GiaThnYgeia a écrit : I hope this makes some sense to someone. >>> >>> Not to me. TL;DR. Question: You have a system with everything on

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On 2017-04-18 at 15:42, Brian wrote: > On Tue 18 Apr 2017 at 20:55:43 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > >> Le 17/04/2017 à 22:46, GiaThnYgeia a écrit : >>> >>> I hope this makes some sense to someone. >> >> Not to me. TL;DR. > > TL is "too loquacious"? DR is "drivel"? In case you're not being

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Wed 19 Apr 2017 at 00:12:15 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Le 18/04/2017 à 21:14, Brian a écrit : > > > >However, my main point was that the kernel > >identifying a card as a /dev/sdX disk does not imply it will necessarily > >be visible to GRUB and bootable by it. > > If the card reader is

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

Le 18/04/2017 à 21:14, Brian a écrit : However, my main point was that the kernel identifying a card as a /dev/sdX disk does not imply it will necessarily be visible to GRUB and bootable by it. If the card reader is idendified as /dev/sdX, then it probably behaves as a generic USB mass

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Tue 18 Apr 2017 at 20:55:43 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Le 17/04/2017 à 22:46, GiaThnYgeia a écrit : > > > >I hope this makes some sense to someone. > > Not to me. TL;DR. TL is "too loquacious"? DR is "drivel"? -- Brian.

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Tue 18 Apr 2017 at 20:42:40 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Le 17/04/2017 à 21:04, Brian a écrit : > >On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 00:07:39 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > > > >>No. The only bug is that the system installed on the SD card boots while it > >>should not. > > > >Why shouldn't the system

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Tue 18 Apr 2017 at 20:32:38 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Le 17/04/2017 à 21:05, Brian a écrit : > >On Mon 17 Apr 2017 at 08:48:50 +, Curt wrote: > > > >>On 2017-04-17, David Wright wrote: > >>> > >>>Oddly, this ancient laptop (Acer) has a slot that makes the

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

Le 17/04/2017 à 22:46, GiaThnYgeia a écrit : I hope this makes some sense to someone. Not to me. TL;DR. Does a usb memory stick really have an MBR? Yes, if you write an MBR structure into the first sector.

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

Le 18/04/2017 à 00:04, Richard Owlett a écrit : My *minimal* criterion was the ability to read *AND* write the device. Well then, installing a Debian system on it and booting it was overkill. You could have just performed some reads and writes on the device from any of the systems installed

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

Le 17/04/2017 à 21:04, Brian a écrit : On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 00:07:39 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: No. The only bug is that the system installed on the SD card boots while it should not. Why shouldn't the system boot? It has the same kernel that is on the hard disk By chance. In a more

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

Le 17/04/2017 à 21:05, Brian a écrit : On Mon 17 Apr 2017 at 08:48:50 +, Curt wrote: On 2017-04-17, David Wright wrote: Oddly, this ancient laptop (Acer) has a slot that makes the SD card look like a /dev/sdX disk, and the BIOS is happy to boot from it. I

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Monday 17 April 2017 23:04:57 Richard Owlett wrote: > Please note my usage of "criterion" rather than "criteria". Sorry Richard. I would certainly have noted if you hadn't. It would have screamed at me. I'm afraid that I don't always notice in passing when words are used correctly! Nor

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Mon 17 Apr 2017 at 17:04:57 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 04/17/2017 02:04 PM, Brian wrote: > >On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 00:07:39 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > > > >>Le 14/04/2017 à 19:05, Richard Owlett a écrit : > >> > >>>Does any of this justify a bug report. > >> > >>No. The only bug is

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On 04/17/2017 04:11 PM, GiaThnYgeia wrote: Richard Owlett: 4. All installs in this thread have been done using DVD 1 of 13 of Debian 8.6.0 - thus all intrinsically use the same kernel. Is this with the actual dvd or the image of the 1st DVD on a usb-stick? In this case a

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On 04/17/2017 02:04 PM, Brian wrote: On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 00:07:39 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 14/04/2017 à 19:05, Richard Owlett a écrit : Does any of this justify a bug report. No. The only bug is that the system installed on the SD card boots while it should not. Why shouldn't

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

Richard Owlett: > 4. All installs in this thread have been done using DVD 1 of > 13 of Debian 8.6.0 - thus all intrinsically use the same > kernel. Is this with the actual dvd or the image of the 1st DVD on a usb-stick? I assume once everything was installed and rebooted there was an

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

Richard Owlett: > On 04/12/2017 12:13 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote: >> Le 12/04/2017 à 17:14, Richard Owlett a écrit : >>> >>> Whether initiated after power-on OR a restart the observed sequence is: >>> 1. Appearance of the Grub2 menu with a choice of 4 instances of Debian. >>> 2. Select instance

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Mon 17 Apr 2017 at 08:48:50 +, Curt wrote: > On 2017-04-17, David Wright wrote: > > > > Oddly, this ancient laptop (Acer) has a slot that makes the SD card > > look like a /dev/sdX disk, and the BIOS is happy to boot from it. > > I have an Acer X1430 with an

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 00:07:39 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Le 14/04/2017 à 19:05, Richard Owlett a écrit : > > >Does any of this justify a bug report. > > No. The only bug is that the system installed on the SD card boots while it > should not. Why shouldn't the system boot? It has the

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On 2017-04-17, David Wright wrote: > > Oddly, this ancient laptop (Acer) has a slot that makes the SD card > look like a /dev/sdX disk, and the BIOS is happy to boot from it. I have an Acer X1430 with an internal "Multi-in-1 Media Card Reader" for which an SD card

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 23:52:30 (+0200), Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Le 15/04/2017 à 22:50, David Wright a écrit : > >On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 19:14:24 (+0200), Pascal Hambourg wrote: > >>Le 15/04/2017 à 16:28, David Wright a écrit : > >>>On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 11:05:12 (+0200), Pascal Hambourg wrote: >

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Sun 16 Apr 2017 at 15:31:56 +0100, Brian wrote: > What GRUB makes of the OS device could be seen with > > grub-probe OS_device (/dev/sdc1, say) Correction: grub-probe -d -t drive -- Brian.

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Thu 13 Apr 2017 at 20:05:22 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Ok then, here is my full theory. You're not going to like it. > > We now know that the BIOS does not expose the SD card so GRUB cannot see it > and the search command fails and prints the error message. > > But then how does the

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 16:30:29 -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 19:57:32 (+0100), Brian wrote: > > On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 13:08:30 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > > On 04/15/2017 12:24 PM, Brian wrote: > > > > > > > >Did you overlook this question? You have said your

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

Le 15/04/2017 à 22:50, David Wright a écrit : On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 19:14:24 (+0200), Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 15/04/2017 à 16:28, David Wright a écrit : On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 11:05:12 (+0200), Pascal Hambourg wrote: A SD card reader such as the one the OP has just exposes the SD card as

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 19:57:32 (+0100), Brian wrote: > On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 13:08:30 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > On 04/15/2017 12:24 PM, Brian wrote: > > > > > >Did you overlook this question? You have said your machine does not > > >offer booting from an SD card. Your answer will be

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 13:16:54 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 04/15/2017 12:14 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > >Le 15/04/2017 à 16:28, David Wright a écrit : > >>On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 11:05:12 (+0200), Pascal Hambourg wrote: > >> > >>>A SD card reader such as the one the OP has just exposes the

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 19:14:24 (+0200), Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Le 15/04/2017 à 16:28, David Wright a écrit : > >On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 11:05:12 (+0200), Pascal Hambourg wrote: > > > >>A SD card reader such as the one the OP has just exposes the SD card > >>as what it is, a SD/MMC card

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

Le 15/04/2017 à 21:24, Doug a écrit : It turns out that there are two kinds of cards that look the same, but on a Dell laptop I have, one kind won't be recognized and the other works. I don't remember which is which, or what they are called. One is SD, the other something else. MMC, SDHC,

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 21:04:34 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Le 15/04/2017 à 19:42, Brian a écrit : > >On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 19:20:58 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > >> > >>Expert install gives more control, but is far from granting total control. > >>The Debian installer still has many

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On 04/15/2017 10:28 AM, David Wright wrote: On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 11:05:12 (+0200), Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 15/04/2017 à 02:37, David Wright a écrit : Of course, an SD card can be made to look like a USB stick just by sticking it in a card reader. I guess you mean "in a USB-to-SD card

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

Le 15/04/2017 à 19:42, Brian a écrit : On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 19:20:58 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Expert install gives more control, but is far from granting total control. The Debian installer still has many automated actions that you cannot control even in expert mode. I had a feeling

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 13:08:30 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 04/15/2017 12:24 PM, Brian wrote: > > > >Did you overlook this question? You have said your machine does not > >offer booting from an SD card. Your answer will be interesting. > > Thought I'd answered it elsewhere. Nope. There has

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

Richard Owlett wrote: ... > I don't know how many times I've *MIS*read that last sentence ;< > Mentally I was correcting non-existent typos, thus totally garbling it. > I just spent several hours wandering thru grub files and loosely related > documentation. > I've ended up at >

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On 04/15/2017 12:14 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 15/04/2017 à 16:28, David Wright a écrit : On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 11:05:12 (+0200), Pascal Hambourg wrote: A SD card reader such as the one the OP has just exposes the SD card as what it is, a SD/MMC card (/dev/mmcblk*). I assumed that the

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On 04/15/2017 12:24 PM, Brian wrote: On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 11:52:09 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 04/15/2017 05:24 AM, Brian wrote: Now for a big "but". :) Your previous 'Debian GNU/Linux (8.6) (on /dev/mmcblk0p1)' stanza had linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-686-pae root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 This

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 11:35:14 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 04/14/2017 01:19 PM, Brian wrote: > >[snip] > > > >> 2. I only install Grub the *first* time I do a Debian install. > >>By poor design Grub puts the current install first on menu. > >>When experimenting with configuration as

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 19:20:58 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Le 15/04/2017 à 12:44, Brian a écrit : > > > >simple install=some control of d-i. > >expert install=total control of d-i. > > Expert install gives more control, but is far from granting total control. > The Debian installer still has

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

Le 15/04/2017 à 15:55, songbird a écrit : maybe grub needs something provided by the modules: usbms, ehci, uhci or ohci? Be careful if you're going to use driver modules (USB, PATA, AHCI...) to get direct access to a device. It disables access to *all* devices through the BIOS, including

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 11:52:09 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 04/15/2017 05:24 AM, Brian wrote: > > > >Now for a big "but". :) > > > >Your previous 'Debian GNU/Linux (8.6) (on /dev/mmcblk0p1)' stanza had > > > > linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-686-pae root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 > > > >This one has > > >

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

Le 15/04/2017 à 12:44, Brian a écrit : simple install=some control of d-i. expert install=total control of d-i. Expert install gives more control, but is far from granting total control. The Debian installer still has many automated actions that you cannot control even in expert mode.

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

Le 15/04/2017 à 16:28, David Wright a écrit : On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 11:05:12 (+0200), Pascal Hambourg wrote: A SD card reader such as the one the OP has just exposes the SD card as what it is, a SD/MMC card (/dev/mmcblk*). I assumed that the OP, writing about a laptop, had no card reader,

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On 04/15/2017 05:24 AM, Brian wrote: On Fri 14 Apr 2017 at 13:33:40 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 04/14/2017 12:24 PM, Brian wrote: Everything GRUB knows about devices comes from what the BIOS tells it. They are more than just good friends. :) It appears from 'ls' at a GRUB prompt that

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On 04/14/2017 01:19 PM, Brian wrote: [snip] 2. I only install Grub the *first* time I do a Debian install. By poor design Grub puts the current install first on menu. When experimenting with configuration as I do, the least likely install to be functional is the latest. This

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 11:05:12 (+0200), Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Le 15/04/2017 à 02:37, David Wright a écrit : > > > >Of course, an SD card can be > >made to look like a USB stick just by sticking it in a card reader. > > I guess you mean "in a USB-to-SD card adapter", which translates a > SD

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

Brian wrote: > songbird wrote: > >> what i would do for grins is unplug the >> devices other than the SSD and the installation >> media and then do a base system (simple install >> - not expert) and see what the installer does >> detect and writes in the fstab and grub menu >> (it may even

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

Brian wrote: ... > And, more to the point, is there booting from the card without any error > messages? ... and as additional info you can adjust some things in grub via editing /etc/default/grub (and running update-grub) if you don't like how the menu is being generated. songbird

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Fri 14 Apr 2017 at 20:02:11 -0400, songbird wrote: > what i would do for grins is unplug the > devices other than the SSD and the installation > media and then do a base system (simple install > - not expert) and see what the installer does > detect and writes in the fstab and grub menu

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Fri 14 Apr 2017 at 13:33:40 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 04/14/2017 12:24 PM, Brian wrote: > > > >Everything GRUB knows about devices comes from what the BIOS tells it. > >They are more than just good friends. :) > > > >It appears from 'ls' at a GRUB prompt that your GRUB does not know

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

Le 15/04/2017 à 02:37, David Wright a écrit : Of course, an SD card can be made to look like a USB stick just by sticking it in a card reader. I guess you mean "in a USB-to-SD card adapter", which translates a SD card into a USB mass storage device (/dev/sd*). A SD card reader such as the

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Fri 14 Apr 2017 at 12:05:38 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 04/13/2017 05:55 PM, Brian wrote: > >On Thu 13 Apr 2017 at 20:05:22 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > > > >>David is right : you don't really boot from the SD card. > > > >The OP never claimed he was booting from the SD card. He

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Fri 14 Apr 2017 at 20:02:11 (-0400), songbird wrote: > Richard Owlett wrote: > ... > [file a bug?] > > i'm not sure this is a bug. you've > done an expert install, but not let grub > finish so by my estimate you've left the > install where manual patching is needed. I would agree with

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

Richard Owlett wrote: ... [file a bug?] i'm not sure this is a bug. you've done an expert install, but not let grub finish so by my estimate you've left the install where manual patching is needed. right now this thread is showing up via go ogle so people will find it if they have similar

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

Le 14/04/2017 à 19:05, Richard Owlett a écrit : 2. I only install Grub the *first* time I do a Debian install. By poor design Grub puts the current install first on menu. It's not poor design. It is perfectly normal that the system which installs GRUB is first in the menu. If you don't

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On 04/14/2017 12:33 PM, Brian wrote: On Thu 13 Apr 2017 at 10:58:10 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 04/12/2017 01:49 PM, songbird wrote: another thing you can do is construct your own menu entry and put it in /etc/grub.d/40_custom file I don't see that being informative for this problem.

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Fri 14 Apr 2017 at 12:05:38 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 04/13/2017 05:55 PM, Brian wrote: > >On Thu 13 Apr 2017 at 20:05:22 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > > > >>David is right : you don't really boot from the SD card. > > > >The OP never claimed he was booting from the SD card. He

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On 04/14/2017 12:24 PM, Brian wrote: On Wed 12 Apr 2017 at 10:14:59 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 04/12/2017 07:39 AM, songbird wrote: - the bios may not be set correctly to find the device. I do not see how the bios might be involved. Grub2 has been installed to the MBR of /dev/sda .

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Thu 13 Apr 2017 at 10:58:10 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 04/12/2017 01:49 PM, songbird wrote: > > > > another thing you can do is construct your own > >menu entry and put it in /etc/grub.d/40_custom file > > I don't see that being informative for this problem. Quite the opposite; this

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Wed 12 Apr 2017 at 10:14:59 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 04/12/2017 07:39 AM, songbird wrote: > > > > - the bios may not be set correctly to find the device. > > I do not see how the bios might be involved. > Grub2 has been installed to the MBR of /dev/sda . > The only known reference to

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On 04/13/2017 05:55 PM, Brian wrote: On Thu 13 Apr 2017 at 20:05:22 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: David is right : you don't really boot from the SD card. The OP never claimed he was booting from the SD card. He particularly said he did not install GRUB to the card. GRUB is on the HDD. The

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Thu 13 Apr 2017 at 20:05:22 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > David is right : you don't really boot from the SD card. The OP never claimed he was booting from the SD card. He particularly said he did not install GRUB to the card. > GRUB is on the HDD. The kernel is on the HDD. Only the root

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Thu 13 Apr 2017 at 12:28:58 -0500, David Wright wrote: > Not being expert with Grub myself, I don't know how it reacts to a > failure during the search. Just a quick glance at my own cfg shows For the third time in this thread: GRUB reacts by shrugging its shoulders and booting whatever the

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

Le 13/04/2017 à 19:33, Richard Owlett a écrit : On 04/13/2017 10:48 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote: USB drive ? Then (hd1) is not the SD card ? If you boot with no USB drive plugged in, there is no (hd1), right ? Correct on all counts. IIUC the SD card slot is connected to a USB hub. When not the

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On 04/13/2017 10:48 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 13/04/2017 à 13:40, Richard Owlett a écrit : On 04/12/2017 02:03 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 12/04/2017 à 20:33, Richard Owlett a écrit : On 04/12/2017 12:13 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote: [snip] - while the SD card is inserted, in the GRUB

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Thu 13 Apr 2017 at 17:48:41 (+0200), Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Le 13/04/2017 à 13:40, Richard Owlett a écrit : > >On 04/12/2017 02:03 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > >>Le 12/04/2017 à 20:33, Richard Owlett a écrit : > >>>On 04/12/2017 12:13 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > > > >[snip] > - while the

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Thu 13 Apr 2017 at 10:17:23 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 04/12/2017 02:23 PM, Brian wrote: > > > >So try this: > >When the GRUB menu displays press the "e" key and remove the > > > > search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root > > 380e2a6d-f851-4fd1-9db2-869a0982b511 > > > >Then press the

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On 04/12/2017 01:49 PM, songbird wrote: Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 12/04/2017 à 17:14, Richard Owlett a écrit : Whether initiated after power-on OR a restart the observed sequence is: 1. Appearance of the Grub2 menu with a choice of 4 instances of Debian. 2. Select instance installed on the SD

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

Le 13/04/2017 à 13:40, Richard Owlett a écrit : On 04/12/2017 02:03 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 12/04/2017 à 20:33, Richard Owlett a écrit : On 04/12/2017 12:13 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote: [snip] - while the SD card is inserted, in the GRUB menu press "c" to enter a GRUB shell and report

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On 04/12/2017 02:23 PM, Brian wrote: On Wed 12 Apr 2017 at 13:33:02 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On theory "too much better than too little" I see: ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/20_linux_xen ### ### END /etc/grub.d/20_linux_xen ### ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ### menuentry 'Debian GNU/Linux

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On 04/12/2017 02:11 PM, songbird wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: ... ran across http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17=128777 not sure if will help or not, but does point to what i was thinking (bios, uefi, partition issue or module not being loaded by grub). It will take me a while to

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On 04/12/2017 02:03 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 12/04/2017 à 20:33, Richard Owlett a écrit : On 04/12/2017 12:13 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote: [snip] - while the SD card is inserted, in the GRUB menu press "c" to enter a GRUB shell and report the result of the "ls" command. (hd0) (hd0,

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

Richard Owlett wrote: ... ran across http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17=128777 not sure if will help or not, but does point to what i was thinking (bios, uefi, partition issue or module not being loaded by grub). ... > Any suggested reading on the "BASH like shell" I just used? > My

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

On Wed 12 Apr 2017 at 13:33:02 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On theory "too much better than too little" I see: > > ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/20_linux_xen ### > > ### END /etc/grub.d/20_linux_xen ### > > ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ### > menuentry 'Debian GNU/Linux (8.6) (on

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