Re: Request to remove Information

2005-12-04 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 03:11:57AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 21:44 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 10:18:33AM -0800, Alex Malinovich wrote: On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 14:33 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Having read the Bible a lot (completely twice, and

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-12-04 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 03:17:39AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 21:44 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 02:25:06PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: One theory says that the fat phenotype is a useful evolutionary adaptation, and that the skinny phenotype

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-12-04 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2005-12-04 at 21:53 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 03:17:39AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 21:44 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 02:25:06PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] Well, yeah. But there was no sugar

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-30 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2005-11-25 20:01:08, schrieb Clive Menzies: Whilst we're on interesting reading, Ronald Wright's 'A Short History of Progress' provides a take on civilisations, past and present, which is highly thought provoking. Examining the rise and fall of the Sumerian, Mayan, Egyptian and Roman

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-30 Thread marc
Michelle Konzack said... Am 2005-11-25 20:01:08, schrieb Clive Menzies: Whilst we're on interesting reading, Ronald Wright's 'A Short History of Progress' provides a take on civilisations, past and present, which is highly thought provoking. Examining the rise and fall of the Sumerian,

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-30 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 16:39 +, marc wrote: Michelle Konzack said... Am 2005-11-25 20:01:08, schrieb Clive Menzies: Whilst we're on interesting reading, Ronald Wright's 'A Short History of Progress' provides a take on civilisations, past and present, which is highly thought

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-27 Thread marc
Ron Johnson said... On Fri, 2005-11-25 at 18:24 +, marc wrote: Ron Johnson said... On Wed, 2005-11-23 at 06:34 +0800, Katipo wrote: Clive Menzies wrote: On (20/11/05 22:08), Katipo wrote: Clive Menzies wrote: [snip] [snip] Man, after all is a social

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-26 Thread Steve Lamb
Ron Johnson wrote: Ok, that's ambiguous. Yeh, considering my wife would be mighty surprised if a tat showed up there now. :D -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls.

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-25 Thread marc
Ron Johnson said... On Wed, 2005-11-23 at 06:34 +0800, Katipo wrote: Clive Menzies wrote: On (20/11/05 22:08), Katipo wrote: Clive Menzies wrote: [snip] What happens when the individual no longer exists? Because, in the future, existence without the organisation is going

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-25 Thread Clive Menzies
On (25/11/05 18:24), marc wrote: Ron Johnson said... The liberty of the individual is no gift of civilization. It was greatest before there was any civilization, though then, it is true, it had for the most part no value, since the individual was scarcely in a position to defend it. The

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-25 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2005-11-25 at 18:24 +, marc wrote: Ron Johnson said... On Wed, 2005-11-23 at 06:34 +0800, Katipo wrote: Clive Menzies wrote: On (20/11/05 22:08), Katipo wrote: Clive Menzies wrote: [snip] [snip] Man, after all is a social creature, and individualism is a

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-25 Thread Katipo
marc wrote: The liberty of the individual is no gift of civilization. It was greatest before there was any civilization, though then, it is true, it had for the most part no value, since the individual was scarcely in a position to defend it. The development of civilization imposes

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-25 Thread cmetzler
He was a psychiatrist[0], why should I believe anything he wrote. Why should you believe anything anyone ever writes? -c -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-25 Thread Steve Lamb
Katipo wrote: Depends on what is seen as an acceptable restriction limit, and also, therefore, on your definition of justice. I tend more towards the Bastiat view expressed at the beginning of The Law. What, then, is law? It is the collective organization of the individual right to lawful

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-25 Thread Andy Streich
On Friday 25 November 2005 01:52 pm, Steve Lamb wrote:     I tend more towards the Bastiat view expressed at the beginning of The Law. What, then, is law? It is the collective organization of the individual right to lawful defense.     Collective organization of the /individual/ right to

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-25 Thread Steve Lamb
Andy Streich wrote: What's being defended in the above? Is it bodily integrity, personal space, property (whose definition?), a contract, ...? Short answer: Well, you'll just have to read it, won't you? Longer answer: One's posessions including one's self. Whose definition of

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-25 Thread David E. Fox
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:45:58 +0100 Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not right, none of my friends there keep alive. For China, they earn enorm. The equivalent in Europ would be 6000 to 8000 Euros per month. From what I've read, the average earnings go a lot further in China than

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-25 Thread David E. Fox
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:51:23 -0800 Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh how I hate this, really. It's led to some rather interesting want ads that I just have to laugh at. I mean people post ads looking for people well I seem to remember one that was looking for a Perl programmer with

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-25 Thread David E. Fox
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:44:11 +1300 Chris Bannister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is your diocese? It's tattooed on the back of his neck. Chris. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-25 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2005-11-25 at 20:07 -0800, David E. Fox wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:44:11 +1300 Chris Bannister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is your diocese? It's tattooed on the back of his neck. Ok, that's ambiguous. -- -

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-24 Thread marc
Gene Heskett said... On Wednesday 23 November 2005 14:35, marc wrote: Katipo said... The evolutionary path of the corporate politician. And nobody permitted to climb to any 'higher level', within the organisation, until the ethical base of the individual has been appropriately

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 24 November 2005 10:11, marc wrote: Gene Heskett said... On Wednesday 23 November 2005 14:35, marc wrote: Katipo said... The evolutionary path of the corporate politician. And nobody permitted to climb to any 'higher level', within the organisation, until the ethical base of

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-24 Thread Antonio Rodriguez
On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 02:36:11PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: You'll just have to go back to eating corn and wheat from much smaller, lower-yielding crops. Botanists (those are scientists, right?) bred taller, healthier more high-yielding corn, wheat and soy, starting 140 years ago.

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-24 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 13:01 -0500, Antonio Rodriguez wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 02:36:11PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: You'll just have to go back to eating corn and wheat from much smaller, lower-yielding crops. Botanists (those are scientists, right?) bred taller, healthier more

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-24 Thread Cybe R. Wizard
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 12:17:37 -0600 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 13:01 -0500, Antonio Rodriguez wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 02:36:11PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: You'll just have to go back to eating corn and wheat from much smaller, lower-yielding

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-24 Thread C. Chad Wallace
Ron Johnson wrote: On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 13:01 -0500, Antonio Rodriguez wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 02:36:11PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: You'll just have to go back to eating corn and wheat from much smaller, lower-yielding crops. Botanists (those are scientists, right?) bred taller,

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-24 Thread Alex Malinovich
On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 11:43 -0800, C. Chad Wallace wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: --snip-- Bad news. Domesticated turkeys have been specifically bred to have huge breast muscles. WTF? How does selective breeding compare to hormones and antibiotics? Breeding is simply guiding a species

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-24 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 13:01 -0600, Cybe R. Wizard wrote: On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 12:17:37 -0600 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 13:01 -0500, Antonio Rodriguez wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 02:36:11PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] Bad news. Domesticated

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-24 Thread Clive Menzies
On (24/11/05 17:06), Ron Johnson wrote: To: debian-user@lists.debian.org From: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:06:12 -0600 Subject: Re: Request to remove Information On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 13:01 -0600, Cybe R. Wizard wrote: On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 12:17:37 -0600 Ron

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-23 Thread Katipo
Steve Lamb wrote: Katipo wrote: I'm your shrink Yeah, right! It's a truer quote than you know. http://imdb.com/title/tt0114558/quotes 1/2 way down. Put in context you'll understand. :P Just another Rock 'n' Roll Doctor, Stevie. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-23 Thread marc
Katipo said... Clive Menzies wrote: On (20/11/05 22:08), Katipo wrote: Clive Menzies wrote: I suspect Intel is in no way unique in this respect; my own limited experience of large corporations has been similar. As in many other bureaucratic organisations (public and

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-23 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2005-11-23 at 06:34 +0800, Katipo wrote: Clive Menzies wrote: On (20/11/05 22:08), Katipo wrote: Clive Menzies wrote: [snip] What happens when the individual no longer exists? Because, in the future, existence without the organisation is going to become increasingly

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 23 November 2005 14:35, marc wrote: Katipo said... Clive Menzies wrote: On (20/11/05 22:08), Katipo wrote: Clive Menzies wrote: I suspect Intel is in no way unique in this respect; my own limited experience of large corporations has been similar. As in many other

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-22 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 03:18:55PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: There was a reply in here somewhere that I never got, only quoted, where someone attributed my name to the cowboy mentality of give me 40 acres, a mule, a shotgun and I'll take care of myself. They went on to say that because of

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-22 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 04:28:36PM -0600, Greg Norris wrote: On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 01:50:14PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Does not work, because this stupig remailer break the thread in small pieces. Must be Mutt, because Evo displays a deeply-nested thread. My copy of mutt

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-22 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 12:22:04PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: Then we're even: religion should work better than the people who implement and practice it. Nope. Because the people who practice and implement it are required by its very nature to ignore reason, logic

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-22 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 10:18:33AM -0800, Alex Malinovich wrote: On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 14:33 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Having read the Bible a lot (completely twice, and big chunks many more times), and known *lots* of religious people, and being an amateur history buff, I can categorically

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-22 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 02:25:06PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: One theory says that the fat phenotype is a useful evolutionary adaptation, and that the skinny phenotype would have a harder time surviving in times of low food. That is because the fat phenotype would eat it all. Of course, it's

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-22 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 21:44 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 10:18:33AM -0800, Alex Malinovich wrote: On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 14:33 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Having read the Bible a lot (completely twice, and big chunks many more times), and known *lots* of religious

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-22 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 21:44 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 02:25:06PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: One theory says that the fat phenotype is a useful evolutionary adaptation, and that the skinny phenotype would have a harder time surviving in times of low food. That

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-22 Thread Clive Menzies
On (20/11/05 22:08), Katipo wrote: Clive Menzies wrote: I suspect Intel is in no way unique in this respect; my own limited experience of large corporations has been similar. As in many other bureaucratic organisations (public and commercial), it is the 'system' rather than the individuals

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-22 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 13:50 +, Clive Menzies wrote: On (20/11/05 22:08), Katipo wrote: Clive Menzies wrote: I suspect Intel is in no way unique in this respect; my own limited experience of large corporations has been similar. As in many other bureaucratic organisations (public and

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-22 Thread Clive Menzies
On (22/11/05 10:46), Ron Johnson wrote: Stated another way: for the statesman to become President, he must first become a politician. Exactly! ... and to raise campaign funds they put themselves under an obligation to vested interests . and to gain media exposure that need to play to

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-22 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2005-11-18 13:50:14, schrieb Ron Johnson: On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 18:59 +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2005-11-16 15:06:03, schrieb Mike McCarty: You don't have to vote, nor do you have to make requests. Just use the delete key. I use a threaded reader, so I can delete whole

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-22 Thread Katipo
Clive Menzies wrote: On (20/11/05 22:08), Katipo wrote: Clive Menzies wrote: I suspect Intel is in no way unique in this respect; my own limited experience of large corporations has been similar. As in many other bureaucratic organisations (public and commercial), it is the 'system'

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-22 Thread Katipo
Ron Johnson wrote: On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 13:50 +, Clive Menzies wrote: On (20/11/05 22:08), Katipo wrote: Clive Menzies wrote: I suspect Intel is in no way unique in this respect; my own limited experience of large corporations has been similar. As in many other

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-22 Thread Katipo
Clive Menzies wrote: On (22/11/05 10:46), Ron Johnson wrote: Stated another way: for the statesman to become President, he must first become a politician. Exactly! ... and to raise campaign funds they put themselves under an obligation to vested interests . and to gain media

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-22 Thread Steve Lamb
Katipo wrote: Snap again! *TWET* Idiotic misuse of a word, 10-day suspension, no participation in a thread! Carry on! *TWEEET* -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-22 Thread Katipo
Steve Lamb wrote: Katipo wrote: Snap again! *TWET* Idiotic misuse of a word, 10-day suspension, no participation in a thread! Carry on! *TWEEET* I'm your shrink Yeah, right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble?

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-22 Thread Steve Lamb
Katipo wrote: I'm your shrink Yeah, right! It's a truer quote than you know. http://imdb.com/title/tt0114558/quotes 1/2 way down. Put in context you'll understand. :P -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 |

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-20 Thread Katipo
Clive Menzies wrote: On (15/11/05 13:13), johannes wrote: NB: It's interesting to look at other pages that turn up on googleing 'Weissgerber, Tom L' I presume you mean: Inside Intel: Banana Republics In The Silicon Empire From: Weissgerber, Tom L Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 2:50 PM

Re: OT: Land Use Decisions (was Re: Request to remove Information)

2005-11-20 Thread Patrick Wiseman
You've said your piece; I've said mine. I have nothing new to say on the subject and apparently neither do you. So I'm back to our regularly-scheduled programming on debian-user, you know, conversations about using Debian. Patrick

Re: OT: Land Use Decisions (was Re: Request to remove Information)

2005-11-20 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Patrick Wiseman wrote: On 11/19/05, *Steve Lamb* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Tom's request to remove information revealed more about the population of the list than about Tom... H -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe

Re: OT: Land Use Decisions (was Re: Request to remove Information)

2005-11-19 Thread Nate Bargmann
Let us not forget that the right to own private property underlies the entire system of government in the USA. Nowhere in the founding documents or writings will be found an argument that property ownership rights end when another person can promise the government more tax revenue. To suggest or

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-18 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2005-11-16 03:49:16, schrieb Antonio Rodriguez: Speaking of the devil that keeps the US (European, etc) population getting fatter and fatter every day (growth hormone to cows, cows to human mouths, you know the chain, plus some other substances, etc), by the end of the year the gov is

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-18 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2005-11-16 15:06:03, schrieb Mike McCarty: You don't have to vote, nor do you have to make requests. Just use the delete key. I use a threaded reader, so I can delete whole threads. It also has the ability to Does not work, because this stupig remailer break the thread in small pieces.

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-18 Thread Michelle Konzack
, what is the most efficient way to filter any and all future responses to the Request to remove Information thread? in your ~/.procmailrc :0 * ^Subject:.*(Request to remove Information) /dev/null Greetings Michelle -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-18 Thread Alex Malinovich
On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 06:02 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: C Shore wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 06:49:03PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: And the corporations are trying to prevent from folding. BTW, you do realize that corporations are nothing more than individuals just like you. That's a

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-18 Thread Alex Malinovich
On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 14:33 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 12:22 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: Then we're even: religion should work better than the people who implement and practice it. Nope. Because the people who practice and implement it are

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-18 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 10:05 -0800, Alex Malinovich wrote: On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 06:02 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: C Shore wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 06:49:03PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: And the corporations are trying to prevent from folding. BTW, you do realize that corporations

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-18 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 18:59 +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2005-11-16 15:06:03, schrieb Mike McCarty: You don't have to vote, nor do you have to make requests. Just use the delete key. I use a threaded reader, so I can delete whole threads. It also has the ability to Does not work,

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-18 Thread Alex Malinovich
On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 13:48 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: --snip-- Did Steve ever mention rational? I don't think so. Steve's point is that it's still *people* doing the deeds. When you walk into an office building, you aren't *forcefully* assimil- ted into the Borg collective. It's

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-18 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 12:48 -0800, Alex Malinovich wrote: On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 13:48 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: --snip-- Did Steve ever mention rational? I don't think so. Steve's point is that it's still *people* doing the deeds. When you walk into an office building, you aren't

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-18 Thread Bill Marcum
On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 02:37:10PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: ISTM, that our entire economy has been jacked up about $40,000 per year, to accomodate. Hey, where's my $40,000? Give it back! :) -- Remember, in 2039, MOUSSE PASTA will be available ONLY by prescription!! -- To

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-18 Thread Greg Norris
On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 01:50:14PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Does not work, because this stupig remailer break the thread in small pieces. Must be Mutt, because Evo displays a deeply-nested thread. My copy of mutt (1.5.11-3, from sid) doesn't seem to have any trouble threading this mess.

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-18 Thread Steve Lamb
Ron Johnson wrote: Steve's point is that it's still *people* doing the deeds. When you walk into an office building, you aren't *forcefully* assimil- ted into the Borg collective. It's *individuals* *choosing* to go along with Groupthing, conform- ism, etc. Not to mention that people

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-18 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005 Nov 18 13:54 -0600]: On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 18:59 +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2005-11-16 15:06:03, schrieb Mike McCarty: You don't have to vote, nor do you have to make requests. Just use the delete key. I use a threaded reader, so I can

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-18 Thread Alex Malinovich
Steve Lamb wrote: Not to mention that people for some reason think that the groupthink et al. for corporations are bad because it is for profit and yet groupthink for the community is good because it isn't. Groupthink is bad regardless of circumstances. Whether a bad decision is made by

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-18 Thread Steve Lamb
Alex Malinovich wrote: I'm really not sure what you mean here. Perhaps an example of a law that is meant to be friendly to the community but is unfriendly to an individiual would be in order? I think the recent Supreme Court ruling on the 5th Ammendment is a prime example. --

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-18 Thread Patrick Wiseman
On 11/18/05, Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex Malinovich wrote: I'm really not sure what you mean here. Perhaps an example of a law that is meant to be friendly to the community but is unfriendly to an individiual would be in order? I think the recent Supreme Court ruling on the 5th

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-18 Thread Steve Lamb
Patrick Wiseman wrote: This thread is just way out of hand[1], but if you're speaking of the US Supreme Court's decision in _Kelo v. New London_, you've apparently bought the MSM's spin on it. Nope, tend to ignore MSM for the rubbish it is. All the Court did in that case was reaffirm at

OT: Land Use Decisions (was Re: Request to remove Information)

2005-11-18 Thread Patrick Wiseman
On 11/19/05, Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Patrick Wiseman wrote: This thread is just way out of hand[1], but if you're speaking of the US Supreme Court's decision in _Kelo v. New London_, you've apparently bought the MSM's spin on it. Nope, tend to ignore MSM for the rubbish it is. OK, then

Re: OT: Land Use Decisions (was Re: Request to remove Information)

2005-11-18 Thread Steve Lamb
Patrick Wiseman wrote: OK, then you've bought the right-wing ranters' version of what the Kelo decision said. Yes, because we all know if it isn't mainstream it's right-wing. The irony being, of course, that it was the right that was in the majority with the left, O'Conner, writing the

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-18 Thread Gnu-Raiz
On 18:23, Fri 18 Nov 05, Nate Bargmann wrote: * Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005 Nov 18 13:54 -0600]: On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 18:59 +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2005-11-16 15:06:03, schrieb Mike McCarty: You don't have to vote, nor do you have to make requests. Just use the

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-17 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hi Mitja, Am 2005-11-15 12:00:47, schrieb Mitja Podreka: The problem with low wages is that the chinese worker, which is doing the outsourced work, is working whole day, seven days a week for a This is not right, they are working only 12 hours a day 5 1/2 days a week. ;-) I have some

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-17 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hi Seth, Am 2005-11-14 18:45:23, schrieb Seth Goodman: One mid-sized electronics company I worked for got a new CEO who was an accountant from the construction industry. He had no concept of what the technical staff did nor what we contributed. It really bothered him that engineering

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-17 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2005-11-15 16:57:35, schrieb privacy.at Anonymous Remailer: He didn't just make a relatively common mistake, he posted HTML-loaded mail to a mailing list. If he can't figure out how to set his mail client to plain text ONLY, he has no business in IT. If he can't figure out that his request

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-17 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 13:44 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Antonio Rodriguez wrote: No much difference between science and religion, same crap. Thus I decline the offer. Actually, there is one major difference. Religion is based on the notion that they know everything and anything

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-17 Thread Steve Lamb
Ron Johnson wrote: Scientists are people. People have biases, are selfish, vain, proud, etc. Scientists thus have biases, are selfish, vain, proud, etc. Yes, but you made the same mistake as other people. We're talking about the process and the institution and how it should work in spite

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-17 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 12:06 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: Scientists are people. People have biases, are selfish, vain, proud, etc. Scientists thus have biases, are selfish, vain, proud, etc. Yes, but you made the same mistake as other people. We're talking about

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-17 Thread Steve Lamb
Ron Johnson wrote: Then we're even: religion should work better than the people who implement and practice it. Nope. Because the people who practice and implement it are required by its very nature to ignore reason, logic and to disbelieve anything to the contrary. -- Steve C.

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-17 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 12:22 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: Then we're even: religion should work better than the people who implement and practice it. Nope. Because the people who practice and implement it are required by its very nature to ignore reason, logic and to

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-17 Thread steef
Seth Goodman wrote: From: steef [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 2:39 AM To: debian Users Subject: Re: Request to remove Information Steve Lamb wrote: privacy.at Anonymous Remailer wrote: Well, according to your law of the capitalist jungle if we

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-16 Thread steef
Steve Lamb wrote: privacy.at Anonymous Remailer wrote: Well, according to your law of the capitalist jungle if we offend our corporate masters^H^H employers we deserve to be fired and starve. And yet I've never been fired for anything I've said in my off-duty time. Imagine that.

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-16 Thread Antonio Rodriguez
On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 09:38:37AM +0100, steef wrote: Steve Lamb wrote: believe me: i know where i am talking about. herman and i analyzed for over thirty years the workings of the nuclear industry mainly in europe. and now the *benefits* of corporations like monsanto pioneer hi-bred and

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-16 Thread Adam Funk
Ron Johnson wrote: On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 22:31 -0500, C Shore wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 06:49:03PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Edward J. Shornock wrote: I beg to differ. I, at least, am trying to avoid ending up living in a cardboard box or milking social services. And the

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-16 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 09:06 +, Adam Funk wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 22:31 -0500, C Shore wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 06:49:03PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Edward J. Shornock wrote: I beg to differ. I, at least, am trying to avoid ending up living in a

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-16 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 03:49 -0500, Antonio Rodriguez wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 09:38:37AM +0100, steef wrote: Steve Lamb wrote: believe me: i know where i am talking about. herman and i analyzed for over thirty years the workings of the nuclear industry mainly in europe. and now

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-16 Thread Steve Lamb
C Shore wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 06:49:03PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: And the corporations are trying to prevent from folding. BTW, you do realize that corporations are nothing more than individuals just like you. That's a load of crap perpetuated by lawyers. A coporation is not

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-16 Thread Steve Lamb
Ron Johnson wrote: And how many people really *need* iPods? Do people really need to carry 3000 songs around in little $300 things that are literally almost as valuable as gold? No, they don't. A $50 MP3 player will work just as well. You're close. There was a /. story a while back

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-16 Thread Mitch Wiedemann
I'd like to make a motion that we discontinue this very OT thread. -- Mitch Wiedemann Webmaster - Ithaca Free Software Association http://ithacafreesoftware.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-16 Thread Steve Block
On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 09:48:35PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 18:49 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Edward J. Shornock wrote: [snip] While there are some that probably go through trying to make as much as possible, that surely doesn't apply to everyone. It's the plain greed

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-16 Thread Steve Block
On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 03:49:16AM -0500, Antonio Rodriguez wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 09:38:37AM +0100, steef wrote: Steve Lamb wrote: believe me: i know where i am talking about. herman and i analyzed for over thirty years the workings of the nuclear industry mainly in europe. and now

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-16 Thread Carl Fink
On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 09:35:15AM -0500, Mitch Wiedemann wrote: I'd like to make a motion that we discontinue this very OT thread. Second. -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you attempt to fix something that isn't broken, it will be. -Bruce

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-16 Thread Jon Dowland
On Mon, Nov 14, 2005 at 01:29:23PM +0100, privacy.at Anonymous Remailer wrote: And it has no place on this (or any other) mailing list. E-mail should be sent in plain text only. I don't agree, entirely. Email is a convenient transport mechanism for many things other than plain text, such as,

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-16 Thread Gnu-Raiz
On 08:22, Wed 16 Nov 05, Steve Block wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 03:49:16AM -0500, Antonio Rodriguez wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 09:38:37AM +0100, steef wrote: Steve Lamb wrote: believe me: i know where i am talking about. herman and i analyzed for over thirty years the workings of the

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-16 Thread Steve Lamb
Gnu-Raiz wrote: Lets take a look at history, every since man was able to water crops, we have been genetically engineering our crops. We have selected out the crops that are hardy to weather changes, and strains that are more productive. In a sense we have used the lab of mother earth to help

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-16 Thread Antonio Rodriguez
On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 12:22:56PM -0600, Gnu-Raiz wrote: We are fat because we eat too much; because it's easy and cheap to eat too much. I am fat because I eat when I'm bored or not hungry at all, not because of growth hormones fed to cows. I prefer more natural things but I'm not going

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-16 Thread Mike McCarty
John Hasler wrote: Seth writes: They have a sense of national pride and feel a part of the Indian economy, thus they naturally prefer to hire their own nationals. That's illegal here... It is legal in the US to hire only US nationals. What US do you live in? Mike --

Re: Request to remove Information

2005-11-16 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 13:58 -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: John Hasler wrote: Seth writes: They have a sense of national pride and feel a part of the Indian economy, thus they naturally prefer to hire their own nationals. That's illegal here... It is legal in the US to hire only US

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