Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-05 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2008-06-04 18:10, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: IMHO you should at least quote him with the proper context. (E.g.: his clarifications in some messages that followed). IMHO his clarifications just confirm that *IMHO* he takes the decision to remove

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-05 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 01:11 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: - Forwarded message from Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] - User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) From: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:14:03

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-05 Thread thveillon.debian
Damon L. Chesser a écrit : On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 01:11 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: - Forwarded message from Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] - User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) From: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-05 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 15:19 +0100, thveillon.debian wrote: Damon L. Chesser a écrit : SNIP I'm just an average Testing user, have been for a while, and around me almost every Debian users I know are using Testing, mostly because it's the Debian's flavour which can compare with other

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-05 Thread thveillon.debian
Damon L. Chesser a écrit : On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 15:19 +0100, thveillon.debian wrote: Damon L. Chesser a écrit : SNIP I'm just an average Testing user, have been for a while, and around me almost every Debian users I know are using Testing, mostly because it's the

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-05 Thread Jamie Griffin
Testing is the right choice for me, and if it no longer is I would move to another distro immediately. Etch doesn't even install on many recent machines. I too am just a regular user. I have been using sidux and found it to be sound os and have just put Debian testing on my laptop a few

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-05 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
On 05/06/2008, thveillon.debian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Testing [snip] has always been at least as reliable as Ubuntu. That's not saying much. ;-) But seriously, people, testing is not stable. If you like bugs and can live with bugs, then use testing. If you don't like bugs, then run

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-05 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 11:28 -0500, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote: On 05/06/2008, thveillon.debian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Testing [snip] has always been at least as reliable as Ubuntu. That's not saying much. ;-) But seriously, people, testing is not stable. If you like bugs and

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-05 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 17:21 +0100, Jamie Griffin wrote: Testing is the right choice for me, and if it no longer is I would move to another distro immediately. Etch doesn't even install on many recent machines. I too am just a regular user. I have been using sidux and found it to be

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-05 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-06-04 10:02:13, schrieb Patrick Wiseman: So? I've been using testing for years, and have found it to be remarkably stable - it's remarkable precisely because it IS 'testing'. How can this be with the perl 5.10 transition? The half of my system was down even by upgrading every day...

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-05 Thread Jamie Griffin
I'm sure there is some documentation i read on this, but as the testing release has been brought up, thought i'd take advantage of the knowledge from you guys who have been using it a lot. On sidux running Debian sid, it was recommended to do a 'apt-get dist-upgrade' regularly (ie, every few

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-05 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 18:50 +0100, Jamie Griffin wrote: I'm sure there is some documentation i read on this, but as the testing release has been brought up, thought i'd take advantage of the knowledge from you guys who have been using it a lot. On sidux running Debian sid, I don't

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-05 Thread thveillon.debian
Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso a écrit : On 05/06/2008, thveillon.debian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Testing [snip] has always been at least as reliable as Ubuntu. That's not saying much. ;-) But seriously, people, testing is not stable. If you like bugs and can live with bugs, then

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-05 Thread Jamie Griffin
I don't know how you are running Sidux AND Debian Sid. Apologies, wan't too clear. The distro called sidux; its core system is Debian sid (as far as i understand) On Sid, I run apt-get upgrade about twice a week, read the output of apt-listbugs and then do the same for dist-upgrade. Will

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-05 Thread Carl Fink
On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 11:28:40AM -0500, Jordi Guti?rrez Hermoso wrote: But seriously, people, testing is not stable. If you like bugs and can live with bugs, then use testing. If you don't like bugs, then run stable. One of my hobbies is translating English into English. The above

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-05 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 04:22:53PM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 11:28:40AM -0500, Jordi Guti?rrez Hermoso wrote: But seriously, people, testing is not stable. If you like bugs and can live with bugs, then use testing. If you don't like bugs, then run stable. One

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-05 Thread s. keeling
thveillon.debian [EMAIL PROTECTED]: So please don't break my system to often/badly is what I meant, and of course keep making Debian the best os ever ;-) Welcome aboard. FYI, when Etch went stable there were posts in here along the lines of, I just did a dist-upgrade, and it ran cleanly.

Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-04 Thread Chris Bannister
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Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-04 Thread Patrick Wiseman
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Chris Bannister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Forwarded message from Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] - User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) From: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 03 Jun

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-04 Thread Carl Fink
On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 10:02:13AM -0400, Patrick Wiseman wrote: So? I've been using testing for years, and have found it to be remarkably stable - it's remarkable precisely because it IS 'testing'. Sometimes (rarely) things break, but that's something I prefer to live with so that I can

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-04 Thread Michal Kapalka
Carl Fink wrote: On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 10:02:13AM -0400, Patrick Wiseman wrote: So? I've been using testing for years, and have found it to be remarkably stable - it's remarkable precisely because it IS 'testing'. Sometimes (rarely) things break, but that's something I prefer to live

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-04 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This may be more interesting [1]: Pierre Habouzit wrote: [...] No it's not. The principal goal of testing is to evaluate what would be our next stable if we tried to release *RIGHT NOW*. Packages with RC bugs cannot be part of a release, so must

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-04 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 06:05:49PM +0200, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This may be more interesting [1]: Pierre Habouzit wrote: [...] No it's not. The principal goal of testing is to evaluate what would be our next stable if we tried to

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-04 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 10:48:57AM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 10:02:13AM -0400, Patrick Wiseman wrote: So? I've been using testing for years, and have found it to be remarkably stable - it's remarkable precisely because it IS 'testing'. Sometimes (rarely) things

Re: Running testing? -- read this.

2008-06-04 Thread Carl Fink
On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 12:19:33PM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: I wrote: And in fact, for (using a number I just pulled out of thin air) 90% of the time I've been using Debian, going back to Slink, Stable has been so obsolete as to be hard to use for anything but some servers. Huh?