Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-06 Thread Brian
On Wed 04 Jun 2014 at 23:56:37 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: Brian wrote: Those who use startx etc have some expectation of being provided with uncomplicated correct information. The 'startx' is basically the simple way to start X and to use the system supplied defaults. Which is a good

Which file to initialize X? (was Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro)

2014-06-06 Thread Joel Roth
Brian wrote: On Wed 04 Jun 2014 at 23:56:37 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: Brian wrote: Those who use startx etc have some expectation of being provided with uncomplicated correct information. The 'startx' is basically the simple way to start X and to use the system supplied

Re: Which file to initialize X? (was Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro)

2014-06-06 Thread Filip
Joel Roth jo...@pobox.com writes: I would be interested in having a summary. For my purposes, I use startx, and 'man startx' tells me to put my initializations in .xinitrc, and does not refer to any other init files. I used to have an .xsession file, which eventually stopped working.

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-05 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 12:26:15 +0200 David Dušanić ivanovne...@gmail.com wrote: I think at this point I link you to my fonts how-to for Debian (Openbox). http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=196047#p196047 Very, very nice article. Very clearly written. I'm going to try this

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-04 Thread Bob Proulx
Brian wrote: The fact though is that most users do not avoid startx or a DM. Anyone who uses xinit has gone to some trouble to avoid either of these two ways of getting X running. You would expect them to know what they are doing. But people using xinit have not gone to any trouble to avoid

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-03 Thread Bob Proulx
Brian wrote: Vincent Lefevre wrote: Brian wrote: I looked in the place that startx and the DMs look with a default install of X. Which is not to deny your valid point. However. a user would have to put in the extra effort to use .Xdefaults-hostname or, if they know it is possible, a

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-03 Thread Brian
On Tue 03 Jun 2014 at 13:45:14 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: Debian doesn't use a .Xdefaults file. brian@desktop:~$ grep -r Xresources /etc/X11/ /etc/X11/Xsession:SYSRESOURCES=/etc/X11/Xresources /etc/X11/Xsession:USRRESOURCES=$HOME/.Xresources True. But that is the default

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-03 Thread Filip
Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com writes: I recommend using .Xresources loaded into the xrdb at start time. It makes the most general sense to me. That way customizations are a property of your $DISPLAY and not a property of your $HOME. But either works if you understand the search and merge

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-02 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2014-06-01 16:14:24 +0100, Brian wrote: On Sun 01 Jun 2014 at 10:48:17 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: You mention making an .Xdefaults/.Xresources in my home directory. Can I safely assume the slash meant either/or, rather than directory/file? I already had a .Xdefaults, but it was a config

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-02 Thread David Dušanić
You mention making an .Xdefaults/.Xresources in my home directory. Can I safely assume the slash meant either/or, rather than directory/file? I already had a .Xdefaults, but it was a config file, not a directory. Yes, the slash meant either/or. Xdefaults is the older way of doing it, I still

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-02 Thread David Dušanić
01.06.2014, 19:21, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk: On Sun 01 Jun 2014 at 13:09:11 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:  On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 13:18:11 +0200  David Dušanić ivanovne...@gmail.com wrote:  I would make an .Xdefaults/.Xresources in your home folder with this  e.g.:  Xft.autohint: 0  

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-02 Thread Brian
On Mon 02 Jun 2014 at 10:04:29 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2014-06-01 16:14:24 +0100, Brian wrote: Debian doesn't use a .Xdefaults file. brian@desktop:~$ grep -r Xresources /etc/X11/ /etc/X11/Xsession:SYSRESOURCES=/etc/X11/Xresources

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-02 Thread Brian
On Mon 02 Jun 2014 at 12:38:20 +0200, David Dušanić wrote: 01.06.2014, 19:21, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk: On Sun 01 Jun 2014 at 13:09:11 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:  On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 13:18:11 +0200  David Dušanić ivanovne...@gmail.com wrote:  I would make an .Xdefaults/.Xresources in

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-02 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2014-06-02 14:11:03 +0100, Brian wrote: I looked in the place that startx and the DMs look with a default install of X. Which is not to deny your valid point. However. a user would have to put in the extra effort to use .Xdefaults-hostname or, if they know it is possible, a .Xresources

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-02 Thread Brian
On Mon 02 Jun 2014 at 16:27:22 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2014-06-02 14:11:03 +0100, Brian wrote: I looked in the place that startx and the DMs look with a default install of X. Which is not to deny your valid point. However. a user would have to put in the extra effort to use

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-02 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2014-06-02 18:33:30 +0100, Brian wrote: Fair enough. Now, if only users were advised to use .Xdefaults-hostname or .Xresources. Instead the choice is always .Xdefaults or .Xresources. As I think we are agreed, one of these doesn't work. Ok, it can be made to work; for example I've seen

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-01 Thread David Dušanić
31.05.2014, 18:59, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com: On Sat, 31 May 2014 08:51:13 -0400 Tony Baldwin t...@tonybaldwin.info wrote:  Sawfish and openbox, even metacity would fit in this last just  manages windows category, and, in fact, don't even include a panel,  which I think JWM has by

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-01 Thread Pete Orrall
On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: On Sat, 31 May 2014 08:51:13 -0400 Tony Baldwin t...@tonybaldwin.info wrote: Sawfish and openbox, even metacity would fit in this last just manages windows category, and, in fact, don't even include a panel, which

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-01 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 13:18:11 +0200 David Dušanić ivanovne...@gmail.com wrote: 31.05.2014, 18:59, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com: On Sat, 31 May 2014 08:51:13 -0400 Tony Baldwin t...@tonybaldwin.info wrote:  Sawfish and openbox, even metacity would fit in this last just  manages

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-01 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 1 Jun 2014 07:54:50 -0400 Pete Orrall p...@cs1x.com wrote: On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: On Sat, 31 May 2014 08:51:13 -0400 Tony Baldwin t...@tonybaldwin.info wrote: Sawfish and openbox, even metacity would fit in this last just

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-01 Thread Brian
On Sun 01 Jun 2014 at 10:48:17 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: You mention making an .Xdefaults/.Xresources in my home directory. Can I safely assume the slash meant either/or, rather than directory/file? I already had a .Xdefaults, but it was a config file, not a directory. I added your lines to

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-01 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 13:18:11 +0200 David Dušanić ivanovne...@gmail.com wrote: 31.05.2014, 18:59, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com: On Sat, 31 May 2014 08:51:13 -0400 Tony Baldwin t...@tonybaldwin.info wrote:  Sawfish and openbox, even metacity would fit in this last just  manages

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-01 Thread Filip
On Sun, 1 Jun 2014 13:09:11 -0400 Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 13:18:11 +0200 David Dušanić ivanovne...@gmail.com wrote: 31.05.2014, 18:59, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com: On Sat, 31 May 2014 08:51:13 -0400 Tony Baldwin t...@tonybaldwin.info

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-01 Thread Brian
On Sun 01 Jun 2014 at 13:09:11 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 13:18:11 +0200 David Dušanić ivanovne...@gmail.com wrote: I would make an .Xdefaults/.Xresources in your home folder with this e.g.: Xft.autohint: 0 Xft.antialias: 1 Xft.hinting: true Xft.hintstyle:

Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-05-31 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 31 May 2014 08:51:13 -0400 Tony Baldwin t...@tonybaldwin.info wrote: Sawfish and openbox, even metacity would fit in this last just manages windows category, and, in fact, don't even include a panel, which I think JWM has by default. You're just the person I need to talk to, Tony.

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-05-31 Thread Filip
On Sat, 31 May 2014 12:59:06 -0400 Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: On Sat, 31 May 2014 08:51:13 -0400 Tony Baldwin t...@tonybaldwin.info wrote: Sawfish and openbox, even metacity would fit in this last just manages windows category, and, in fact, don't even include a panel,

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-05-31 Thread Tony Baldwin
On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 12:59:06PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: On Sat, 31 May 2014 08:51:13 -0400 Tony Baldwin t...@tonybaldwin.info wrote: Sawfish and openbox, even metacity would fit in this last just manages windows category, and, in fact, don't even include a panel, which I think JWM