Re: Standard for soft return by automatic word and line wrap

2012-08-31 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 01:22:09PM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 03:35:52AM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 08:31:06PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I used gvim, but kate and gedit and even leafpad and others are more comfortable. IIRC common

Re: Standard for soft return by automatic word and line wrap

2012-08-29 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 29 aug 12, 01:31:03, Ralf Mardorf wrote: PS: It seems to be, that it's possible to play this game without paying for it, but I can't see anything that teaches me how to use vim. Just because you don't see it, it doesn't mean it's not there. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic

Re: Standard for soft return by automatic word and line wrap

2012-08-29 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-08-29 at 10:47 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 29 aug 12, 01:31:03, Ralf Mardorf wrote: PS: It seems to be, that it's possible to play this game without paying for it, but I can't see anything that teaches me how to use vim. Just because you don't see it, it doesn't

Re: Standard for soft return by automatic word and line wrap

2012-08-28 Thread Darac Marjal
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 03:35:52AM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 08:31:06PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I used gvim, but kate and gedit and even leafpad and others are more comfortable. IIRC common shortcuts didn't work with gvim, the only difference to vi(m) was,

Re: Standard for soft return by automatic word and line wrap

2012-08-28 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2012-08-28 at 13:22 +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 03:35:52AM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 08:31:06PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I used gvim, but kate and gedit and even leafpad and others are more comfortable. IIRC common shortcuts

Re: Standard for soft return by automatic word and line wrap

2012-08-28 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-08-29 at 00:51 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2012-08-28 at 13:22 +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 03:35:52AM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 08:31:06PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I used gvim, but kate and gedit and even leafpad

Re: Standard for soft return by automatic word and line wrap

2012-08-26 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 08:31:06PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I used gvim, but kate and gedit and even leafpad and others are more comfortable. IIRC common shortcuts didn't work with gvim, the only difference to vi(m) was, that I didn't need to know all the commands by heart. The trick to

Re: Standard for soft return by automatic word and line wrap

2012-08-26 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-08-27 at 03:35 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 08:31:06PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I used gvim, but kate and gedit and even leafpad and others are more comfortable. IIRC common shortcuts didn't work with gvim, the only difference to vi(m) was, that I

Standard for soft return by automatic word and line wrap

2012-08-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
After 72 signs my MUA does an automatic line wrap. When I receive mails from the list and I do reply, sometimes the quotes are bad. I experienced the same with mails from a friend and he told me that it takes 78 signs for him. Is there a standard for how many signs it should take to do an

Re: Standard for soft return by automatic word and line wrap

2012-08-25 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:46:10 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: After 72 signs my MUA does an automatic line wrap. And your MUA is... X-Mailer: Evolution 3.4.4 When I receive mails from the list and I do reply, sometimes the quotes are bad. This can be normal. I, for instance, use to force

Re: Standard for soft return by automatic word and line wrap

2012-08-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hi Camaleón :) yes, I'm using Evolution, but if I quote from GUI mailers such as Evolution, Thunderbird or OTOH from text based mailers such as Mutt and Wanderlust, the quotes usually look okay, quoting the friends Alpine or your Pan looks disgusting. On Sat, 2012-08-25 at 13:48 +, Camaleón

Re: Standard for soft return by automatic word and line wrap

2012-08-25 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:37:57 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Hi Camaleón :) yes, I'm using Evolution, but if I quote from GUI mailers such as Evolution, Thunderbird or OTOH from text based mailers such as Mutt and Wanderlust, the quotes usually look okay, quoting the friends Alpine or your Pan

Re: Standard for soft return by automatic word and line wrap

2012-08-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2012-08-25 at 15:07 +, Camaleón wrote: On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:37:57 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Hi Camaleón :) yes, I'm using Evolution, but if I quote from GUI mailers such as Evolution, Thunderbird or OTOH from text based mailers such as Mutt and Wanderlust, the quotes

Re: Standard for soft return by automatic word and line wrap

2012-08-25 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 17:51:57 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2012-08-25 at 15:07 +, Camaleón wrote: (...) This line is ok, just the quoted text is borked. Well, I can see something wrong in your quotes. Have you tried to reply to my post from Thunderbird? No. I wonder what's

Re: Standard for soft return by automatic word and line wrap

2012-08-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2012-08-25 at 16:26 +, Camaleón wrote: On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 17:51:57 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2012-08-25 at 15:07 +, Camaleón wrote: (...) This line is ok, just the quoted text is borked. Well, I can see something wrong in your quotes. Have you tried to

Re: Standard for soft return by automatic word and line wrap

2012-08-25 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 25 aug 12, 16:37:57, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Yes, but I won't call Gedit light weight. I'm thinking of something like Leafpad. FWIW I won't use vi(m), nano, emacs etc., it should be a GUI editor. gvim ;) Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers:

Re: Standard for soft return by automatic word and line wrap

2012-08-25 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 25 aug 12, 14:46:10, Ralf Mardorf wrote: After 72 signs my MUA does an automatic line wrap. When I receive mails from the list and I do reply, sometimes the quotes are bad. I experienced the same with mails from a friend and he told me that it takes 78 signs for him. Is there a

Re: Standard for soft return by automatic word and line wrap

2012-08-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2012-08-25 at 20:41 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Sb, 25 aug 12, 16:37:57, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Yes, but I won't call Gedit light weight. I'm thinking of something like Leafpad. FWIW I won't use vi(m), nano, emacs etc., it should be a GUI editor. gvim ;) I used gvim, but

Re: Standard for soft return by automatic word and line wrap

2012-08-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2012-08-25 at 20:44 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Sb, 25 aug 12, 14:46:10, Ralf Mardorf wrote: After 72 signs my MUA does an automatic line wrap. When I receive mails from the list and I do reply, sometimes the quotes are bad. I experienced the same with mails from a friend and he

Re: Standard for soft return by automatic word and line wrap

2012-08-25 Thread Erwan David
On 25/08/12 20:37, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2012-08-25 at 20:44 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Sb, 25 aug 12, 14:46:10, Ralf Mardorf wrote: After 72 signs my MUA does an automatic line wrap. When I receive mails from the list and I do reply, sometimes the quotes are bad. I experienced the

Re: Standard for soft return by automatic word and line wrap

2012-08-25 Thread Bob Proulx
Erwan David wrote: Ralf Mardorf wrote: Andrei POPESCU wrote: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt - Limit line length to fewer than 65 characters and end a line with a carriage return. but 72 is a common value used by several established editors (like (g)vim). I wonder if

Re: Standard for soft return by automatic word and line wrap

2012-08-25 Thread Rob Owens
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 06:33:02PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Evolution does provide those options for HTML and plain text and it has got impact to plain text mails. This should become a never ending line, because I switched to preformatted. Usually this would cause lines that force the

Re: Standard for soft return by automatic word and line wrap

2012-08-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2012-08-26 at 02:25 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2012-08-25 at 20:17 -0400, Rob Owens wrote: On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 06:33:02PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Evolution does provide those options for HTML and plain text and it has got impact to plain text mails. This

Re: Standard for soft return by automatic word and line wrap

2012-08-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2012-08-25 at 20:17 -0400, Rob Owens wrote: On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 06:33:02PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Evolution does provide those options for HTML and plain text and it has got impact to plain text mails. This should become a never ending line, because I switched to