Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-17 Thread Tixy
On Thu, 2022-02-17 at 10:02 +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 11:28:18AM +0100, Stella Ashburne wrote: > > I wonder who embed Thai fonts and code in the first place.. > > อย่าเหยียดเชื้อชาติ +1 -- Tixy

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 11:28:18AM +0100, Stella Ashburne wrote: I wonder who embed Thai fonts and code in the first place.. อย่าเหยียดเชื้อชาติ -- Please do not CC me for listmail.  Jonathan Dowland ✎j...@debian.org  https://jmtd.net

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-17 Thread tomas
On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 09:41:30AM -, Curt wrote: > On 2022-02-17, wrote: [...] > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 02:37:02PM -0600, David Wright wrote: [...] > >> Tomas's question seems to me more rhetorical than a scientific inquiry. > > > > In a way, yes. I was trying my best to animate

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-17 Thread tomas
On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 09:40:40AM -, Curt wrote: > On 2022-02-16, David Wright wrote: [...] > > Tomas's question seems to me more rhetorical than a scientific inquiry. > > Great video, though. Thanks. > > Actually, I wanted to allude to Stella but should've obviously just > responded to

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-17 Thread Curt
On 2022-02-17, wrote: > > --Isw399PmXxwTK8QE > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 02:37:02PM -0600, David Wright wrote: >> On Wed 16 Feb 2022 at 15:38:22 (-), Curt wrote: >> > On

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-17 Thread Curt
On 2022-02-16, David Wright wrote: > On Wed 16 Feb 2022 at 15:38:22 (-), Curt wrote: >> On 2022-02-16, wrote: >> > >> >> So why not create libraries for Burmese, Laotian and Cambodian (Khmer) la= >> > nguages? Why don't we have libburmese, liblaotian and libkhmer and make >> > the= >> > m

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-17 Thread tomas
On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 07:05:33AM +0100, Stella Ashburne wrote: > Dearie > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 10:05 PM > > From: to...@tuxteam.de > > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > > Subject: Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What > > is the best course of

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-16 Thread Stella Ashburne
Dearie > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 9:45 PM > From: "The Wanderer" > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is > the best course of action? > > > There are a few possible answers. > I love reading your answers and

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-16 Thread Stella Ashburne
Dearie > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 10:05 PM > From: to...@tuxteam.de > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is > the best course of action? > > > So why not do your research yourself? > Honestly I don't know

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-16 Thread tomas
On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 02:37:02PM -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Wed 16 Feb 2022 at 15:38:22 (-), Curt wrote: > > On 2022-02-16, wrote: [...] > > > So why not do your research yourself? > > > > > > ;-) > > > > Of course, it’s an excellent question [...] > >

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-16 Thread David Wright
On Wed 16 Feb 2022 at 15:38:22 (-), Curt wrote: > On 2022-02-16, wrote: > > > >> So why not create libraries for Burmese, Laotian and Cambodian (Khmer) la= > > nguages? Why don't we have libburmese, liblaotian and libkhmer and make the= > > m essential dependencies for libpango? > > > > So

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-16 Thread Curt
On 2022-02-16, wrote: > >> So why not create libraries for Burmese, Laotian and Cambodian (Khmer) la= > nguages? Why don't we have libburmese, liblaotian and libkhmer and make the= > m essential dependencies for libpango? > > So why not do your research yourself? > > ;-) > Of course, it’s an

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-16 Thread tomas
On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 02:31:21PM +0100, Stella Ashburne wrote: > Hello [...] > So why not create libraries for Burmese, Laotian and Cambodian (Khmer) > languages? Why don't we have libburmese, liblaotian and libkhmer and make > them essential dependencies for libpango? So why not do your

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-16 Thread The Wanderer
On 2022-02-16 at 08:31, Stella Ashburne wrote: > Hello >> What if someone sends you a document that has one or more words >> written in Thai? In order to be able to display that document >> correctly, the computer will need code that knows how to handle the >> Thai language. Whether that code is

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-16 Thread Stella Ashburne
Hello > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 10:04 AM > From: "The Wanderer" > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is > the best course of action? > > What if someone sends you a document that has one or more words

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-15 Thread The Wanderer
On 2022-02-15 at 12:56, Stella Ashburne wrote: > Hello The Wanderer >> Do you have any reason to believe that it might? As compared to any >> other random library that Debian provides. > > No, I don't have the technical knowledge to audit libthai. My point > is that why pull in non-English

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-15 Thread tomas
On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 07:00:59PM +0100, Stella Ashburne wrote: > Dearie [...] > > Heck, I remember the times where there was a Germanized version of ASCII [...] > Gosh...you have just revealed your age(my father's contemporary perhaps?) Could well be :-) Cheers -- t signature.asc

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-15 Thread Kushal Kumaran
On Tue, Feb 15 2022 at 06:56:28 PM, Stella Ashburne wrote: > Hello The Wanderer > >> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 at 8:48 PM >> From: "The Wanderer" >> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org >> Subject: Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential >> packages: What is the best course of

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-15 Thread Stella Ashburne
Dearie > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 1:55 AM > From: to...@tuxteam.de > To: "Stella Ashburne" > Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is > the best course of action? > > > Heck, I remember the times where there

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-15 Thread Stella Ashburne
Hello The Wanderer > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 at 8:48 PM > From: "The Wanderer" > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is > the best course of action? > > > Do you have any reason to believe that it might? As

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-15 Thread tomas
On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 06:35:46PM +0100, Stella Ashburne wrote: [...] > You are right. I would fix them if I had the knowledge and competency. Back to the libthai thing. Perhaps it is unfixable nowadays: what shall a browser do? Look at this harmless page [1]. Somewhere down there is the Thai

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-15 Thread tomas
On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 06:26:18PM +0100, Stella Ashburne wrote: > Dearie, > > Thanks for your reply. [...] > We have to make allowance for the fact that some people are quick to judge > others Right. But we have to make allowance for the fact that no one of us is right all the time ;-)

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-15 Thread Stella Ashburne
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 7:14 AM > From: "David Wright" > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is > the best course of action? > > > But in view of that single letter in your reply, and another > post on d-u,

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-15 Thread Stella Ashburne
Dearie, Thanks for your reply. > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 2:48 PM > From: to...@tuxteam.de > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is > the best course of action? > > > Please, hold your horses. Lack of knowledge

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-15 Thread tomas
On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 10:09:35AM -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Tue 15 Feb 2022 at 07:48:57 (+0100), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > Please, hold your horses. Lack of knowledge sometimes might > > come across as "xenophobic" [...] > Look back: the OP has had plenty of help from me, and may well >

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-15 Thread David Wright
On Tue 15 Feb 2022 at 07:48:57 (+0100), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 05:14:36PM -0600, David Wright wrote: > > [...] > > > Perhaps the simplest way of answering this is to configure > > your system with /etc/default/locale file as LANG=C.UTF-8, > > and unset any specific

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-14 Thread tomas
On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 05:14:36PM -0600, David Wright wrote: [...] > Perhaps the simplest way of answering this is to configure > your system with /etc/default/locale file as LANG=C.UTF-8, > and unset any specific i18n or L10n settings and see what > you get. Perhaps try again in 50 years: it

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-14 Thread David Wright
On Mon 14 Feb 2022 at 11:18:12 (+0100), Stella Ashburne wrote: > > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 at 1:02 AM > > From: "David Wright" > > > > Tee-hee. We Brits can sneak our code into Debian without arousing > > suspicion — we just label it "english". That's when we bother to > > label it at

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-14 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 11:18:12AM +0100, Stella Ashburne wrote: > Dearie > > > Most of it just slips in as the default language > > of Debian. > > Does Debian have a default language? What is it? Latin? Esperanto? American > English? > Probably N. European English as learned in school -

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-14 Thread The Wanderer
On 2022-02-14 at 05:28, Stella Ashburne wrote: > Hi Andy > >> From: "Andrew M.A. Cater" >> >> Stella (and others) >> >> This is apparently a long standing bug from pango1.0 >> >> Debian bug #565500 >> >> and has been outstanding for a decade or so. > > And why has the decade-old bug not

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-14 Thread Stella Ashburne
Hi Andy > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 9:14 PM > From: "Andrew M.A. Cater" > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is > the best course of action? > > Stella (and others) > > This is apparently a long standing bug

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-14 Thread Stella Ashburne
Dearie > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 at 1:02 AM > From: "David Wright" > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is > the best course of action? > > > Tee-hee. We Brits can sneak our code into Debian without arousing >

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-13 Thread David Wright
On Sun 13 Feb 2022 at 07:36:55 (+0100), Stella Ashburne wrote: > Hello Dearie > > > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 8:34 AM > > From: "David Wright" > > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > > Subject: Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What > > is the best course of

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-13 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
Stella (and others) This is apparently a long standing bug from pango1.0 Debian bug #565500 and has been outstanding for a decade or so. Thai poses interesting font, formatting and display properties - if you're not Thai, it doesn't matter to you, but, as you can see it's fairly well embedded

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-13 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Sun, Feb 13, 2022 at 07:36:55AM +0100, Stella Ashburne wrote: > > From: "David Wright" > > Leave it. Worry about bigger issues than the odd library. > > > For all you know, the odd library which is this Thai file in > question may contain poorly designed code, ill-intentioned >

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-13 Thread Andy Smith
On Sun, Feb 13, 2022 at 07:31:58AM +0100, Stella Ashburne wrote: > Hello Dearie > > I am happy to hear from you again and hope that everything's fine with you > and your family. > > > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 6:23 AM > > From: "David" > > To: "debian-user" > > Subject: Re:

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-12 Thread Stella Ashburne
Hello Dearie > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 8:34 AM > From: "David Wright" > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is > the best course of action? > > > Installing those two would add 170 more packages to my system,

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-12 Thread Stella Ashburne
Hello Dearie I am happy to hear from you again and hope that everything's fine with you and your family. > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 6:23 AM > From: "David" > To: "debian-user" > Subject: Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is > the best course of

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-12 Thread David Wright
On Sat 12 Feb 2022 at 17:03:06 (+0100), Stella Ashburne wrote: > I did a minimal install of LXQt: > > sudo apt install lxqt-core lightdm > > and discovered that the following two packages were installed as well: > > libthai-data/stable,now 0.1.28-3 all [installed,automatic] >

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-12 Thread David
On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 at 08:33, Stella Ashburne wrote: > > 3. Remove it some sneaky that only removes libthai but leaves everything > > else the same, and have things break and or apt/dpkg complain. > > > Could you show me how to do it please? Thanks. Hi Stella, With a small effort, you can try

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-12 Thread Stella Ashburne
Hi, > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 12:35 AM > From: "Bijan Soleymani" > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is > the best course of action? > > > 3. Remove it some sneaky that only removes libthai but leaves

Re: Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-12 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On 2022-02-12 11:03, Stella Ashburne wrote: What should I do? What is the best course of action? It seems that basic X windows or GUI apps are compiled with libthai support. This is probably done in a way that they won't run without it being installed (failed to load due to missing library).

Uninstalling a package removes other essential packages: What is the best course of action?

2022-02-12 Thread Stella Ashburne
I did a minimal install of LXQt: sudo apt install lxqt-core lightdm and discovered that the following two packages were installed as well: libthai-data/stable,now 0.1.28-3 all [installed,automatic] libthai0/stable,now 0.1.28-3 amd64 [installed,automatic] *I do not speak or write Thai* When I