Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

2009-12-01 Thread Mark Allums
Mark Allums wrote: Virtualbox 3 got off to a rugged start, but six updates later, it is not too bad. I use it. As of 3.0.6 my WinXP and Linux guests (on a WinXP host) gets this odd bug 3.0.6 is the third update. (Goes by even numbers.) The sixth update is 3.0.12. 3.1.0 was just

Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

2009-11-30 Thread Artifex Maximus
Hello! On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Ken Heard k...@heard.name wrote: So it would appear from the posts that I should use VirtualBox for now. I could also install DOS on it and see if DOS apps work better on VBox than on dosemu. Have you tried dosbox? Might debian package does not

Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

2009-11-28 Thread Greg Madden
On Friday 27 November 2009 13:23:05 Ken Heard wrote: Mark Allums wrote: VBox will still provide your full virtualized CPU; so if trying DOS, disable as much as you can, like hardware support for virtualization. Be sure you run in a 32-bit mode. DOS is not compatible with the most recent

Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

2009-11-28 Thread Nick Douma
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greg Madden wrote: have you tried opening your WP files with Openoffice writer? My WP files were created with WP8, OO works with them. I know WP's file format has been the same for years, though I think there was change after 5.2 ? He

Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

2009-11-28 Thread Steve Lamb
Mark Allums wrote: Windows users should stick with MS Virtual Server. Everyone else should use VMWare or Xen or KVM or Virtualbox. Oh hell no. VirtualPC hasn't been seriously updated in years, has been plagued with performance problems from its inception and on machines which support

Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

2009-11-28 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 04:51:32PM -0500, Ken Heard wrote: I should have explained in my original post what I wanted to do. In the short run I want to run a Windows version of WordPerfect and so have access to WordPerfect 5.1 (a DOS app) files that I have been creating since the 80s, the

Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

2009-11-28 Thread Mark Allums
Steve Lamb wrote: Mark Allums wrote: Windows users should stick with MS Virtual Server. Everyone else should use VMWare or Xen or KVM or Virtualbox. Oh hell no. VirtualPC hasn't been seriously updated in years, Virtual PC is dead in the water. With Windows 7, MS has gone the

Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

2009-11-28 Thread Steve Lamb
Mark Allums wrote: Virtual PC is dead in the water. With Windows 7, MS has gone the hypervisor route. Virtual Server 2008 and later is a new(er) product. Not everyone is on W7. For example my work machine, where I require VMs the most, is on WinXP. I'm sure not upgrading it to W7 on my

Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

2009-11-28 Thread Mark Allums
Steve Lamb wrote: I think it's pretty rude to quote where I point out the numerous problems with Microsoft's tripe and then nudge people towards it. Nah, everyone knows it's just two people's opinions. It's kind of rude to characterize things as tripe. (Even if they are.) MS does not

Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

2009-11-28 Thread Paul Cartwright
On Sat November 28 2009, Mark Allums wrote: 3.0.6 is the third update.  (Goes by even numbers.)  The sixth update is 3.0.12. I didn't say it was perfect.  I said I use it. I use VirtualBox ( now 3.0.12 ) on my Lenny desktop, for testing other distros.. very rarely do I ever have a problem

Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

2009-11-28 Thread Stefan Monnier
STFW briefly just now, I don't see VirtualBox OSE Windows binaries. I recall having the same result the last time I looked. Luckily we have a good solution for that: use Debian. Stefan Can you please move that Windows-talk crap elsewhere? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

2009-11-28 Thread Greg Madden
On Saturday 28 November 2009 01:32:16 Nick Douma wrote: Greg Madden wrote: have you tried opening your WP files with Openoffice writer? My WP files were created with WP8, OO works with them. I know WP's file format has been the same for years, though I think there was change after 5.2 ?

Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

2009-11-28 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 04:51:32PM -0500, Ken Heard wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I should have explained in my original post what I wanted to do. In the short run I want to run a Windows version of WordPerfect and so have access to WordPerfect 5.1 (a DOS app) files

Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

2009-11-28 Thread Steve Reilly
Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 04:51:32PM -0500, Ken Heard wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I should have explained in my original post what I wanted to do. In the short run I want to run a Windows version of WordPerfect and so have access to WordPerfect 5.1

Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

2009-11-28 Thread Steve Lamb
Steve Reilly wrote: why cant you just use openoffice? it will read wordperfect files, and save as whatever you want to. He did mention the formatting would be lost. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do...

VirtualBox or VMware?

2009-11-27 Thread Ken Heard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I would appreciate opinions on the relative advantages/disadvantages of these two apps. Regards, Ken Heard -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

2009-11-27 Thread Nick Douma
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ken Heard wrote: I would appreciate opinions on the relative advantages/disadvantages of these two apps. Regards, Ken Heard In my opinion this depends greatly on what you are trying to achieve with the VM. I find VirtualBox a great tool for

Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

2009-11-27 Thread Mirco Piccin
HI, I would appreciate opinions on the relative advantages/disadvantages of these two apps don't forget that with the new VMWare Player release (3.x) - that is free, it's possible to create your own vm. Before that release, it was not possible to do. VMWare is more server/service oriented in

RE: VirtualBox or VMware?

2009-11-27 Thread David Christensen
Ken Heard wrote: I would appreciate opinions on the relative advantages/disadvantages of these two apps. I've been using VMware products for years, primarily to host development environments on Windows desktops. It's easy to use, robust, and efficient enough for my needs. VMware is up

Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

2009-11-27 Thread Nick Douma
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Christensen wrote: Ken Heard wrote: I would appreciate opinions on the relative advantages/disadvantages of these two apps. I've been using VMware products for years, primarily to host development environments on Windows desktops.

Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

2009-11-27 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 12:00:45 -0800 David Christensen dpchr...@holgerdanske.com wrote: Ken Heard wrote: I would appreciate opinions on the relative advantages/disadvantages of these two apps. I've been using VMware products for years, primarily to host development environments on

Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

2009-11-27 Thread Mark Allums
I would appreciate opinions on the relative advantages/disadvantages of these two apps. VMWare is expensive. For a desktop full virtualization deal, Virtualbox is dead easy to use. VMWare is more mature. VMWare is more suited to servers and large infrastructure. Windows users should stick

Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

2009-11-27 Thread Hanspeter Spalinger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Ken Heard schrieb: I would appreciate opinions on the relative advantages/disadvantages of these two apps. Regards, Ken Heard Personaly I use both software. I think VMware has a big plus if you run it on a Server and want manage multiple

Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

2009-11-27 Thread Ken Heard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I should have explained in my original post what I wanted to do. In the short run I want to run a Windows version of WordPerfect and so have access to WordPerfect 5.1 (a DOS app) files that I have been creating since the 80s, the contents of which I

Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

2009-11-27 Thread Mark Allums
Ken Heard wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I should have explained in my original post what I wanted to do. In the short run I want to run a Windows version of WordPerfect and so have access to WordPerfect 5.1 (a DOS app) files that I have been creating since the 80s, the

Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

2009-11-27 Thread Nick Douma
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mark Allums wrote: Ken Heard wrote: Hash: SHA1 I should have explained in my original post what I wanted to do. In the short run I want to run a Windows version of WordPerfect and so have access to WordPerfect 5.1 (a DOS app) files that I have

Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

2009-11-27 Thread Ken Heard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mark Allums wrote: VBox will still provide your full virtualized CPU; so if trying DOS, disable as much as you can, like hardware support for virtualization. Be sure you run in a 32-bit mode. DOS is not compatible with the most recent CPUs from

RE: VirtualBox or VMware?

2009-11-27 Thread David Christensen
Nick Douma wrote: No, but there are binaries for most distributions in their respective repositories, including debian. Thank you: 2009-11-27 16:04:15 dpchr...@p3600 ~ $ apt-cache search virtualbox virtualbox-ose - x86 virtualization solution - binaries ... STFW briefly just

Re: VirtualBox or VMware?

2009-11-27 Thread Martin Willcocks
Hi all: I have VMWare Fusion 2 installed on a MacBook executing a clone of my former Windows XP laptop as a virtual machine (the laptop had developed overheating problems and unexpected blue-screen shutdowns due to a CPU fan issue). The results are very satisfactory and I can run WordPerfect