Re: What UPS to buy: a MGE Evolution 850 or an APC Smart-UPS 750?

2007-02-06 Thread Max Hyre
Paul Johnson wrote: Any battery loses capacity over time, though you can reduce these effects through proper care. For more than you can possibly want to know about batteries, check out http://www.buchmann.ca/toc.asp (Registration requested, but not required.) -- Best wishes,

Re: What UPS to buy: a MGE Evolution 850 or an APC Smart-UPS 750?

2007-02-06 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 04:37:50PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: The deeper and faster you discharge a battery, the 1) less juice you get out of it before it needs recharging and 2) the fewer cycles you get before it needs replacing. One thing to add, and

Re: What UPS to buy

2007-02-06 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Andrei Popescu wrote: On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 13:59:28 -0600 Hugo Vanwoerkom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 19:44:30 -0500 Kevin Coyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of APC's UPS units allow you to set the voltage sensitivity via dip switches, some of the

Re: What UPS to buy

2007-02-05 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Greg Folkert wrote: On Sun, 2007-02-04 at 22:54 +, J.A. de Vries wrote: On 2007-02-04 @ 08:45:38 (week 05) Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: But how is their Linux support? I would buy Tripp-Lite because it is readily available here in Mexico, but, again, how is the Linux support? Hi all, Thanks

Re: What UPS to buy: a MGE Evolution 850 or an APC Smart-UPS 750?

2007-02-05 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/04/07 15:15, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 01:49:47PM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/04/07 07:59, Colin wrote: J.A. de Vries wrote: Hi, Due to power outages at my home I

Re: What UPS to buy

2007-02-05 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Greg Folkert wrote: On Sun, 2007-02-04 at 22:54 +, J.A. de Vries wrote: On 2007-02-04 @ 08:45:38 (week 05) Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: But how is their Linux support? I would buy Tripp-Lite because it is readily available here in Mexico, but, again, how is the Linux

Re: What UPS to buy

2007-02-05 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 19:44:30 -0500 Kevin Coyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of APC's UPS units allow you to set the voltage sensitivity via dip switches, some of the units allow you to set it via software, and some don't let you adjust the sensitivity. So if you plan to back up your battery

Re: What UPS to buy

2007-02-05 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Greg Folkert wrote: On Sun, 2007-02-04 at 22:54 +, J.A. de Vries wrote: On 2007-02-04 @ 08:45:38 (week 05) Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: NUT. Powerchute for Linux is CRAP. Unless they had de-windows-ified it. What's NUT? Sorry. Found it.

Re: What UPS to buy

2007-02-05 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Greg Folkert wrote: On Sun, 2007-02-04 at 22:54 +, J.A. de Vries wrote: On 2007-02-04 @ 08:45:38 (week 05) Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: NUT. Powerchute for Linux is CRAP. Unless they had de-windows-ified it. What's

Re: What UPS to buy

2007-02-05 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 19:44:30 -0500 Kevin Coyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of APC's UPS units allow you to set the voltage sensitivity via dip switches, some of the units allow you to set it via software, and some don't let you adjust the sensitivity. So if you plan to

Re: What UPS to buy

2007-02-05 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 13:59:28 -0600 Hugo Vanwoerkom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 19:44:30 -0500 Kevin Coyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of APC's UPS units allow you to set the voltage sensitivity via dip switches, some of the units allow you to

Re: What UPS to buy: a MGE Evolution 850 or an APC Smart-UPS 750?

2007-02-05 Thread Paul Johnson
J.A. de Vries wrote: After some Googling I am thinking of buying either an APC Smart-UPS 750 or a MGE Evolution 850. As far as I know APC is the big brand and it certainly is the one that is the easiest to get around here. Their Powerchute software seems to support Linux as well. No worries,

Re: What UPS to buy: a MGE Evolution 850 or an APC Smart-UPS 750?

2007-02-05 Thread Paul Johnson
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: The home site is: http://www.apcupsd.com/ They have a very active mailing list. Also available at nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.sysutils.apcupsd.user for your reduced-SMTP-load and back-reading convenience. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a

Re: What UPS to buy: a MGE Evolution 850 or an APC Smart-UPS 750?

2007-02-05 Thread Paul Johnson
Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: The deeper and faster you discharge a battery, the 1) less juice you get out of it before it needs recharging and 2) the fewer cycles you get before it needs replacing. One thing to add, and note that this *only* applies to improperly charged NiCd battery: You

Re: What UPS to buy

2007-02-05 Thread Paul Johnson
Ron Johnson wrote: Some of APC's UPS units allow you to set the voltage sensitivity via dip switches, some of the units allow you to set it via software, and some don't let you adjust the sensitivity.  So if you plan to back up your battery powered UPS with an external generator, make sure to

Re: What UPS to buy

2007-02-05 Thread Paul Johnson
Russell L. Harris wrote: Another respectable UPS manufacturer is Tripp-Lite. Tripp-Lite is expensive, but probably the best option around. They make great line-conditioning power strips, too. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: What UPS to buy: a MGE Evolution 850 or an APC Smart-UPS 750?

2007-02-05 Thread Paul Johnson
Ron Johnson wrote: fax, printer copier should *never* be run from battery. They draw an *enormous* amount of power. CRTs are in the same boat. Don't know about LCDs. Turning the LCD off makes a whopping 0.1 minute difference for me using apcaccess to read off time remaining. -- To

What UPS to buy: a MGE Evolution 850 or an APC Smart-UPS 750?

2007-02-04 Thread J.A. de Vries
Hi, Due to power outages at my home I want to buy an UPS for my SOHO server. For my needs something between 700 and 1000VA should be enough. I'd like to have auto shutdown and powerup and some monitoring facilities too. After some Googling I am thinking of buying either an APC Smart-UPS 750 or a

Re: What UPS to buy: a MGE Evolution 850 or an APC Smart-UPS 750?

2007-02-04 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
J.A. de Vries wrote: Hi, Due to power outages at my home I want to buy an UPS for my SOHO server. For my needs something between 700 and 1000VA should be enough. I'd like to have auto shutdown and powerup and some monitoring facilities too. After some Googling I am thinking of buying either an

Re: What UPS to buy

2007-02-04 Thread Russell L. Harris
* J.A. de Vries [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070204 06:28]: After some Googling I am thinking of buying either an APC Smart-UPS 750 or a MGE Evolution 850. As far as I know APC is the big brand and it certainly is the one that is the easiest to get around here. Their Powerchute software seems to support

Re: What UPS to buy: a MGE Evolution 850 or an APC Smart-UPS 750?

2007-02-04 Thread Colin
J.A. de Vries wrote: Hi, Due to power outages at my home I want to buy an UPS for my SOHO server. For my needs something between 700 and 1000VA should be enough. I'd like to have auto shutdown and powerup and some monitoring facilities too. After some Googling I am thinking of buying

Re: What UPS to buy

2007-02-04 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Russell L. Harris wrote: * J.A. de Vries [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070204 06:28]: After some Googling I am thinking of buying either an APC Smart-UPS 750 or a MGE Evolution 850. As far as I know APC is the big brand and it certainly is the one that is the easiest to get around here. Their Powerchute

Re: What UPS to buy: a MGE Evolution 850 or an APC Smart-UPS 750?

2007-02-04 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 12:26:36PM +, J.A. de Vries wrote: Hi, Due to power outages at my home I want to buy an UPS for my SOHO server. For my needs something between 700 and 1000VA should be enough. I'd like to have auto shutdown and powerup and some monitoring facilities too. After

Re: What UPS to buy: a MGE Evolution 850 or an APC Smart-UPS 750?

2007-02-04 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/04/07 07:59, Colin wrote: J.A. de Vries wrote: Hi, Due to power outages at my home I want to buy an UPS for my SOHO server. For my needs something between 700 and 1000VA should be enough. I'd like to have auto shutdown and powerup and some

Re: What UPS to buy: a MGE Evolution 850 or an APC Smart-UPS 750?

2007-02-04 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/04/07 07:59, Colin wrote: J.A. de Vries wrote: Hi, Due to power outages at my home I want to buy an UPS for my SOHO server. For my needs something between 700 and 1000VA should be enough. I'd like to have auto shutdown

Re: What UPS to buy: a MGE Evolution 850 or an APC Smart-UPS 750?

2007-02-04 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 01:49:47PM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/04/07 07:59, Colin wrote: J.A. de Vries wrote: Hi, Due to power outages at my home I want to buy an UPS for my SOHO server. For my needs something between 700 and 1000VA should be enough. I'd like to

Re: What UPS to buy

2007-02-04 Thread W Paul Mills
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Russell L. Harris wrote: I've had two or three APC UPS units burn up, in the sense of emitting smoke; that is a bit scary. Cleaning house a week ago, I came across six or seven APC units of various models which have failed within the past five

Re: What UPS to buy

2007-02-04 Thread J.A. de Vries
On 2007-02-04 @ 08:45:38 (week 05) Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: But how is their Linux support? I would buy Tripp-Lite because it is readily available here in Mexico, but, again, how is the Linux support? Hi all, Thanks for all the input. I agree with the advice not to skimp on the UPS. However

Re: What UPS to buy

2007-02-04 Thread Greg Folkert
On Sun, 2007-02-04 at 22:54 +, J.A. de Vries wrote: On 2007-02-04 @ 08:45:38 (week 05) Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: But how is their Linux support? I would buy Tripp-Lite because it is readily available here in Mexico, but, again, how is the Linux support? Hi all, Thanks for all the

Re: What UPS to buy

2007-02-04 Thread Russell L. Harris
* Hugo Vanwoerkom [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070204 17:34]: Russell L. Harris wrote: I currently am well pleased with Powerware units, which are used in the broadcast industry. Powerware advertises advanced battery management circuitry which is said to increase battery life by a substantial factor.

Re: What UPS to buy

2007-02-04 Thread Dave Thayer
On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 10:54:30PM +, J.A. de Vries wrote: I agree with the advice not to skimp on the UPS. However in my case the device is only needed because the aardlekschakelaar (in English earth leakage cicruit breaker I believe) cuts the electricity. Not because the It's GFCI

Re: What UPS to buy

2007-02-04 Thread Kevin Coyner
On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 05:06:20PM -0700, Dave Thayer wrote.. On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 10:54:30PM +, J.A. de Vries wrote: I agree with the advice not to skimp on the UPS. However in my case the device is only needed because the aardlekschakelaar (in English earth leakage cicruit

Re: What UPS to buy

2007-02-04 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 07:44:30PM -0500, Kevin Coyner wrote: On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 05:06:20PM -0700, Dave Thayer wrote.. On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 10:54:30PM +, J.A. de Vries wrote: One other consideration when buying a UPS ... if you plan to back up your battery powered UPS

Re: What UPS to buy

2007-02-04 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/04/07 18:44, Kevin Coyner wrote: On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 05:06:20PM -0700, Dave Thayer wrote.. [snip] One other consideration when buying a UPS ... if you plan to back up your battery powered UPS with a gas, propane or natural gas powered

Re: What UPS to buy: a MGE Evolution 850 or an APC Smart-UPS 750?

2007-02-04 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/04/07 15:15, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 01:49:47PM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/04/07 07:59, Colin wrote: J.A. de Vries wrote: Hi, Due to power outages at my home I want to buy an UPS for

Re: What UPS to buy

2007-02-04 Thread Kevin Coyner
On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 08:11:12PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote.. Some of APC's UPS units allow you to set the voltage sensitivity via dip switches, some of the units allow you to set it via software, and some don't let you adjust the sensitivity. So if you plan to back up your battery

Re: What UPS to buy

2007-02-04 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/04/07 20:23, Kevin Coyner wrote: On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 08:11:12PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote.. Some of APC's UPS units allow you to set the voltage sensitivity via dip switches, some of the units allow you to set it via software, and

RE: What UPS to buy

2007-02-04 Thread Julian De Marchi
Curious, how cold does it get, and what country are you in? -Original Message- From: Ron Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 5 February 2007 12:36 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: What UPS to buy -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/04/07 20:23

Re: What UPS to buy

2007-02-04 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 08:35:38PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Perhaps. But depends on where you live and how often you experience power outages. I live in the Northeast of the US, and we have power outages frequently, lasting anywhere from 30 min to 48 hrs. So having a backup

Re: What UPS to buy

2007-02-04 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 12:38:55PM +1000, Julian De Marchi wrote: Curious, how cold does it get, and what country are you in? I'm in Canada (right now, barely) in Kingston Ontario across the river from the US. Right now at 21:55 EST it is -16C supposed to be heading for -28C, windchill -41.