On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 11:28:58AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
Chris Bannister wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 06:38:03AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
At the end-user level I think Debian has a logical flaw.
You are assuming all end-users are equal.
No. I was contrasting the generic end
Am 22.01.2013 um 13:38 schrieb Richard Owlett:
At the end-user level I think Debian has a logical flaw.
It presumes that all software is always available in a repository
(be it FOSS/proprietary, trusted/untrusted, whatever distinction).
Yesterday I found a program (in beta) whose
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 20:18:35 -0700
Dave Thayer debian1302219.dmtha...@recursor.net wrote:
You might want to have a look at the Dabo framework
http://dabodev.com/. Written in python by some ex-foxpro devs with
data-oriented RAD in mind.
Thanks, this does look interesting, and shows how
Le Mar 22 janvier 2013 22:47, John Hasler a écrit :
Richard Owlett writes:
I've used 026's, paper tape, acoustic couplers, magnetic drums.
So have I.
We oldsters are made of tough stuff
True.
P.S. I've just installed it ;)
Well, there are people who claim to actually like it.
Le Mar 22 janvier 2013 18:01, Richard Owlett a écrit :
Erwan David wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 01:38:03PM CET, Richard Owlett
rowl...@cloud85.net said:
At the end-user level I think Debian has a logical flaw.
It presumes that all software is always available in a repository (be
it
Lisi writes:
Seriously Richard, we know your age by now. :-)
I wrote:
Oh I was born about ten thousand years ago...
Chris writes:
Did you write the very first song?
...I taught Ada how to hack though she thought her pop a whack and I'll
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On Ma, 22 ian 13, 15:50:19, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 09:29:46PM +, Joe wrote:
[...]
and there's still nothing Open Source that comes close to
Access.
Which is good to know.
Assuming one has the time and knowledge it is possible to use Access for
some smaller
On Lu, 21 ian 13, 19:15:05, Dennis Clarke wrote:
I'd say it's quite well documented, see 'man hier'.
well, yes, it is in a man page but not really a ratified standard or anything
of
that sort. One can create a man page for anything but, I see your point.
I'm not so sure you do (but my
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:04:15PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Ma, 22 ian 13, 15:50:19, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 09:29:46PM +, Joe wrote:
[...]
and there's still nothing Open Source that comes close to
Access.
Which is good to know.
[...]
IMNSHO
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 23:33:50 +1300
Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:04:15PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Ma, 22 ian 13, 15:50:19, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 09:29:46PM +, Joe wrote:
[...]
and there's still
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
[SNIP]
To install Firefox and other software a Windows 8 user only needs to
launch the Windows browser, google for Firefox and then to click a
button to install it.
You might say on Linux, e.g. on Debian the user only needs to launch
Synaptic, to search for Firefox and to
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 01:38:03PM CET, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net
said:
At the end-user level I think Debian has a logical flaw.
It presumes that all software is always available in a repository (be
it FOSS/proprietary, trusted/untrusted, whatever distinction).
Yesterday I found a
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 13:38:03 +0100, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net
wrote:
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
[SNIP]
To install Firefox and other software a Windows 8 user only needs to
launch the Windows browser, google for Firefox and then to click a
button to install it.
You might say on Linux,
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 06:38:03AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
At the end-user level I think Debian has a logical flaw.
You are assuming all end-users are equal.
It presumes that all software is always available in a repository
(be it FOSS/proprietary, trusted/untrusted, whatever
Erwan David wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 01:38:03PM CET, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net
said:
At the end-user level I think Debian has a logical flaw.
It presumes that all software is always available in a repository (be
it FOSS/proprietary, trusted/untrusted, whatever distinction).
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:01:43 +0100, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net
wrote:
Couldn't use the new package as there was an unfulfilled dependency.
[sarcasm] # dpkg -i --force-depends fishy.deb [/sarcasm]
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Chris Bannister wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 06:38:03AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
At the end-user level I think Debian has a logical flaw.
You are assuming all end-users are equal.
No. I was contrasting the generic end user such as myself to
the Debian developers.
The groups differ
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:28:58 +0100, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net
wrote:
Essentially in the same manner as you do any time you walk into a Mom
Pop restaurant in a strange city. You observe it and make a judgement
call.
That's not an authentication, perhaps comparable to a sandbox
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:01:43 +0100, Richard Owlett
rowl...@cloud85.net wrote:
Couldn't use the new package as there was an unfulfilled
dependency.
[sarcasm] # dpkg -i --force-depends fishy.deb [/sarcasm]
I don't mind [sarcasm] at all. Especially when it educates
and
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:01:34 +0100, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net
wrote:
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:01:43 +0100, Richard Owlett
rowl...@cloud85.net wrote:
Couldn't use the new package as there was an unfulfilled
dependency.
[sarcasm] # dpkg -i --force-depends
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:12:17 +0100, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
Would that --force-depends had effect all the way down a chain of
dependencies just looking for the latest revision of each?
PS. Oops, my English is terribly broken. Yes, you get issues if you keep
the
PPS:
Once you are aware that there is a command, in this case dpkg, you can
get information by reading the manual pages. $ man foo, e.g. $ man dpkg.
If man pages aren't installed, they are available by the Internet.
http://linuxreviews.org/man/dpkg/
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On Tuesday 22 January 2013 17:28:58 Richard Owlett wrote:
Nothing except that until about 4.5 hours ago I was not
aware of either it or gdebi ;/
That is hardly Debian's fault.
Lisi
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On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 11:28:58AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
Chris Bannister wrote:
Right, and you authenticated it how?
Essentially in the same manner as you do any time you walk into a
Mom Pop restaurant in a strange city. You observe it and make a
judgement call.
And if you miss
Chris Bannister wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 11:28:58AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
Chris Bannister wrote:
Right, and you authenticated it how?
Essentially in the same manner as you do any time you walk into a
Mom Pop restaurant in a strange city. You observe it and make a
judgement
Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Tuesday 22 January 2013 17:28:58 Richard Owlett wrote:
Nothing except that until about 4.5 hours ago I was not
aware of either it or gdebi ;/
That is hardly Debian's fault.
Lisi
It's just another proof that useful information passes thru
a finite bandwidth channel
On Tue 22 Jan 2013 at 11:28:58 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
Chris Bannister wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 06:38:03AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
Correct, how do you expect Debian to know about software that isn't in a
repository?
I don't. There is no reason for them to do so.
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
PPS:
Once you are aware that there is a command, in this case
dpkg, you can get information by reading the manual pages.
$ man foo, e.g. $ man dpkg. If man pages aren't installed,
they are available by the Internet.
http://linuxreviews.org/man/dpkg/
I have
Brian writes:
If you want a flavour of the times, install and use dselect.
Please don't do that to the poor guy.
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Brian writes:
If you want a flavour of the times, install and use dselect.
Please don't do that to the poor guy.
I've used 026's, paper tape, acoustic couplers, magnetic
drums. We oldsters are made of tough stuff.
P.S. I've just installed it ;)
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On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 20:35:52 +0100, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net
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John Hasler wrote:
Brian writes:
If you want a flavour of the times, install and use dselect.
Please don't do that to the poor guy.
I've used 026's, paper tape, acoustic couplers, magnetic drums. We
oldsters
Richard Owlett writes:
I've used 026's, paper tape, acoustic couplers, magnetic drums.
So have I.
We oldsters are made of tough stuff
True.
P.S. I've just installed it ;)
Well, there are people who claim to actually like it. Don't say you
weren't warned, though.
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On Tuesday 22 January 2013 18:59:28 Richard Owlett wrote:
As you approach 3 score and ten ...
And this is relevant because.
Seriously Richard, we know your age by now. :-)
Lisi
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Seriously Richard, we know your age by now. :-)
Oh I was born about ten thousand years ago...
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On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 05:52:26PM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
Lisi writes:
Seriously Richard, we know your age by now. :-)
Oh I was born about ten thousand years ago...
Did you write the very first song?
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On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:04:15PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Ma, 22 ian 13, 15:50:19, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 09:29:46PM +, Joe wrote:
[...]
and there's still nothing Open Source that comes close to
Access.
Which is good to know.
Assuming one
On 20 Jan 2013, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
[snip]
If you uncheck them all, as I usually do, you start with a system
with almost nothing. Even less is not present in such an
installation :D
I keep a list of all the packages I normally use and then get the same
ones when I install
The original poster shouldn't care about this discussion. It's interesting
for people with some experience using Linux and who have got special needs.
The release of Debian called stable is always the official released
version of Debian. Ordinary users should use this version. -
On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:27:01 +0100, Anthony Campbell a...@acampbell.org.uk
wrote:
On 20 Jan 2013, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
[snip]
If you uncheck them all, as I usually do, you start with a system
with almost nothing. Even less is not present in such an
installation :D
I keep a
Le Lun 21 janvier 2013 10:46, Ralf Mardorf a écrit :
On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:27:01 +0100, Anthony Campbell
a...@acampbell.org.uk
wrote:
On 20 Jan 2013, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
[snip]
If you uncheck them all, as I usually do, you start with a system
with almost nothing. Even
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 4:27 AM, Anthony Campbell a...@acampbell.org.uk wrote:
On 20 Jan 2013, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
[snip]
If you uncheck them all, as I usually do, you start with a system
with almost nothing. Even less is not present in such an
installation :D
I keep a
I don't have much to say. It sounds interesting for me, to test SID by
doing a minimal expert install.
Funny. It took me a full day and three attempts to install Wheezy onto a
Lenovo G575 laptop. Ultimately I resorted to creating a live bootable
USB image and then doing obscene things like
[snip]
For a normal usage, testing is better, even if the project claims it
is not for production environment. More recent kernels and drivers
which means more supported hardware, and updated web browsers are
some obvious interesting points here. They are simply the most
obvious.
On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:32:06 -0500
Dennis Clarke dcla...@blastwave.org wrote:
I don't have much to say. It sounds interesting for me, to test SID
by doing a minimal expert install.
Funny. It took me a full day and three attempts to install Wheezy
onto a Lenovo G575 laptop. Ultimately I
On Lu, 21 ian 13, 11:15:23, Brad Alexander wrote:
I run a script nightly to capture the package list, debconf database,
disk information (df, df -h, and fdisk -l), and autoinstalled packages
list for every host in my network.
What this allows me to do is have a pool of generic hosts
On Lu, 21 ian 13, 14:24:10, Dennis Clarke wrote:
I think, and this is a WAG ( Wild As* Guess ), there is
a defacto undocumented standard in the linux world which seems to say that
stuff in /usr/local is just local to that given system and never
touched by a package update.
I'd say it's
On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:24:10 -0500
Dennis Clarke dcla...@blastwave.org wrote:
[snip]
For a normal usage, testing is better, even if the project claims
it is not for production environment. More recent kernels and
drivers which means more supported hardware, and updated web
Hi :)
I've got much more than four installs on my machine. One FreeBSD and
tons of Linux installs. The reason for having tons of Linux installs is,
that I don't have the perfect hardware, but I use Linux as an audio
production environment.
It's useless for me to set up a virtual machine to test
On Monday 21 January 2013 21:29:46 Joe wrote:
OK, I've had plenty of Linux installation problems,
And I plenty of Windows ones. I rarely have to install Windows, and every
time I have to, I breathe a sigh of relief that this is so. Problems with
drivers? Linux?? Linux is sometimes tricky,
- Original Message -
From: Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com
Date: Monday, January 21, 2013 5:07 pm
Subject: Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
On Lu, 21 ian 13, 14:24:10, Dennis Clarke wrote:
I think
On Mon, 2013-01-21 at 23:32 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
Disclaimer: I have never even seen Windows 8, and long may it be so!
Hi all :) hi Lina :)
A friend needed help to set up his Windows 8.
The Windows was already installed to the computer, the user don't need
to install it. A user could also
I should note that when I tried to use a sun disk lable or a BSD disk
label to get 8 partitions ( which is wrong, sun has 16 partitions but
Debian or fdisk/parted can't do it .. weird ) I ended up with a
unbootable system everytime. Set a partition bootable got me no
where.
No, it
On Mon, 2013-01-21 at 19:45 -0500, Dennis Clarke wrote:
Wireless can be entertaining, though a lot less so than it used to
be. Even the Network Manager seems to more or less work these days.
The real bonkers bit for me is that wpa_supplicant throws an error
message
at boot, every time,
Hi :)
I've got much more than four installs on my machine. One FreeBSD and
tons of Linux installs. The reason for having tons of Linux installs is,
that I don't have the perfect hardware, but I use Linux as an audio
production environment.
very cool. I'm guessing burmester amps, AKG
The real bonkers bit for me is that wpa_supplicant throws an error
message
at boot, every time, yet I still get dhcp working and here I am ..
with wlan0
working just fine. No clue what black magic voodoo goes on there.
Linux is connected by PPPoE, ad hoc using a WiFi USB stick for
On Mon, 2013-01-21 at 20:22 -0500, Dennis Clarke wrote:
very cool. I'm guessing burmester amps, AKG headphones and turtlebeach
hardware or similar ?
Pioneer consumer HiFi amp, AKG professional but 30 years old studio
headphones, 1 x RME HDSPe AIO professional sound card + an elCheapo ADAT
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 09:29:46PM +, Joe wrote:
[...]
and there's still nothing Open Source that comes close to
Access.
Which is good to know.
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who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the
On Du, 20 ian 13, 08:23:59, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
A disadvantage for Debian compared to Arch IMO is, that Debian e.g.
installs and starts all kinds of services, installs all kinds of
apps etc. a user might not need.
There is no such thing as Debian installs. Even in normal mode of the
Debian
Le 20.01.2013 07:46, Yaro Kasear a écrit :
On 01/20/2013 12:26 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Debian probably won't be doing the switch to systemd. Systemd
required very Linux-specific kernel features and Debian has a couple
non-Linux ports that'd make going systemd impractical (However I
believe
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 12:01:37 +0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
my wishes are not to start a war here
We could save time and uproar, if we simply link to already existing flame
wars :D.
My apologies, I guess we are to OT for the OP. @ the OP: don't worry about
what we were
Hello:
Please provide some examples of common problems when using Debian GNU /
LINUXso that I may more effectively gain a better handle on the
trouble-shooting process.
Thank you!
Sincerely,
Herschel
Le 20.01.2013 00:07, ventur...@yahoo.com a écrit :
Hello:
Please provide some examples of common problems when using Debian GNU
/ LINUXso that I may more effectively gain a better handle on the
trouble-shooting process.
Thank you!
Sincerely,
Herschel
I think main problems is lack of
On 01/19/2013 05:07 PM, ventur...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hello:
Please provide some examples of common problems when using Debian GNU
/ LINUXso that I may more effectively gain a better handle on the
trouble-shooting process.
Thank you!
Sincerely,
Herschel
Maybe the primary problem comes
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 00:07:19 +0100, ventur...@yahoo.com wrote:
Please provide some examples of common problems when using Debian GNU /
LINUXso that I may more effectively gain a better handle on the
trouble-shooting process.
For averaged usage there aren't common problems. What ever
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 00:36:45 +0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Some examples I am thinking about is support for recent NVidia cards,
various wifi or sound chip-sets which do not always have free drivers.
The common way to solve those problems is by adding non-free
repositories, and
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 01:39:55 +0100, Yaro Kasear y...@marupa.net wrote:
Linux system I'd recommend Arch instead.
Which I don't call a rolling release. Arch was my preferred distro. If you
have a distro with releases you can make hard transitions. For Ubuntu the
transition from init to
On 01/19/2013 06:55 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 01:39:55 +0100, Yaro Kasear y...@marupa.net wrote:
Linux system I'd recommend Arch instead.
Which I don't call a rolling release. Arch was my preferred distro. If
you have a distro with releases you can make hard transitions.
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 05:59:42 +0100, Yaro Kasear y...@marupa.net wrote:
Even the non-free stuff provided for Debian in their official repos or
in many third party repos is perfectly safe and usable.
non-free provided by Debian is safe
regarding to third party repos the OP should ask the list
On 01/20/2013 12:26 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 05:59:42 +0100, Yaro Kasear y...@marupa.net wrote:
Even the non-free stuff provided for Debian in their official repos
or in many third party repos is perfectly safe and usable.
non-free provided by Debian is safe
regarding to
SNIP it also
caused that the mailing list became moderated and some users were
completely banned from the list.SNIP
If you mean 'this' mailing list been moderated, my guess is you are
mistaken. And are you positive about people being blacklisted? That
would be pretty bad, dont you think?
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 08:08:21 +0100, Thierry Chatelet tchate...@free.fr
wrote:
SNIP it also
caused that the mailing list became moderated and some users were
completely banned from the list.SNIP
If you mean 'this' mailing list been moderated, my guess is you are
mistaken. And are you positive
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