Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-29 Thread Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
On 10/28/06, Tim Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2006-10-28 at 15:09 +0200, Bruno wrote: However my conclusion is this week-end I'll move back to Fedora (even if yum is so far behind dpkg). Bye, Bruno Fedora is an *experimental* operating system, etch is a *beta*. Neither one

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-29 Thread Bruno
On Sunday 29 October 2006 02:14, Damon L. Chesser wrote: ... I 'll say that Debian detect correctly the hardware on my laptob (Dell Aspire 9100). Except, it seems, video card ATI Radeon x600 for which I had to install different stuffs fglrx and ati as it was not able to do 3D. But

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-29 Thread Karl Goetz
Bruno wrote: On Sunday 29 October 2006 02:14, Damon L. Chesser wrote: ... I 'll say that Debian detect correctly the hardware on my laptob (Dell Aspire 9100). Except, it seems, video card ATI Radeon x600 for which I had to install different stuffs fglrx and ati as it was not able to do 3D.

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-29 Thread Gerard Robin
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Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-29 Thread Tim Post
That doesn't mean its not an experimental OS :), and Wikipedia is a cluster .. much different application and use of FC5. Building a cluster is quite a bit different than installing an OS on your laptop. FC5 has support for all kinds of file systems and hardware .. but not yet tried / tested.

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-29 Thread Miles Bader
Bruno [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hummm...I'm not sure about this : in fact I just installed KUbuntu 6.06 on my laptop and found 'DRI enabled' (in Xorg.0.log) which should confirm (correct me if I'm wrong) that 3d is available. On my work machine, running debian unstable, it says the same thing,

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-29 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Sunday 29 October 2006 06:29, Karl Goetz wrote: Bruno wrote: On Sunday 29 October 2006 02:14, Damon L. Chesser wrote: ... I 'll say that Debian detect correctly the hardware on my laptob (Dell Aspire 9100). Except, it seems, video card ATI Radeon x600 for which I had to install

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-29 Thread Damon L. Chesser
Bruno wrote: On Sunday 29 October 2006 02:14, Damon L. Chesser wrote: ... I 'll say that Debian detect correctly the hardware on my laptob (Dell Aspire 9100). Except, it seems, video card ATI Radeon x600 for which I had to install different stuffs fglrx and ati as it was not able to do 3D.

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-29 Thread John L Fjellstad
Bruno [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Indeed I just grab a Ubuntu DVD (labelled 'Dapper-drake 6.06 LTS' which looks very recent). Ubuntu is based and so I'll probably try it as a replacement of etch. Ubuntu Edgy Edge got releases on the 26th. -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-29 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Sun, 2006-10-29 at 10:53 -0600, Damon L. Chesser wrote: You are right. It is not. Nor are the w32codecs you need to watch video. Nor are they included in any distro I know of due to legal reasons, by default. This is not a Debian issue, it is a Linux/DRM/Copy right issue. The w32codecs

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-29 Thread Damon L. Chesser
Sven Arvidsson wrote: On Sun, 2006-10-29 at 10:53 -0600, Damon L. Chesser wrote: You are right. It is not. Nor are the w32codecs you need to watch video. Nor are they included in any distro I know of due to legal reasons, by default. This is not a Debian issue, it is a Linux/DRM/Copy right

Why I left Debian

2006-10-28 Thread Bruno
Hello, I really do not want to start any flame here but after all, as I used Debian for few months, I find honest to say why I'm leaving it. So few months ago, I installed etch on my laptop (previously had Fedora-5 on it) just to try it and because I think is good and important to try other

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-28 Thread Steve Lamb
Bruno wrote: However my conclusion is this week-end I'll move back to Fedora (even if yum is so far behind dpkg). Why switch off apt/dpkg if you think they are superior? There are Debian based distributions which you could try first which attempt to address the problems you're

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-28 Thread Andrei Popescu
Bruno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I really do not want to start any flame here but after all, as I used Debian for few months, I find honest to say why I'm leaving it. So few months ago, I installed etch on my laptop (previously had Fedora-5 on it) just to try it and because I

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-28 Thread Jerome BENOIT
Hello, why did you not try first the current stable version of Debian ? Cheers, Jerome Bruno wrote: Hello, I really do not want to start any flame here but after all, as I used Debian for few months, I find honest to say why I'm leaving it. So few months ago, I installed etch on my laptop

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-28 Thread steef
Bruno wrote: Hello, I really do not want to start any flame here but after all, as I used Debian for few months, I find honest to say why I'm leaving it. So few months ago, I installed etch on my laptop (previously had Fedora-5 on it) just to try it and because I think is good and important

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-28 Thread Carl Fink
On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 04:18:29PM +0100, steef wrote: etch is a *testing* distro. why not try sarge (stable) first *before* thinking of turning back to fedora? He has modern hardware, or wants to run modern software? -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Read my

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-28 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/28/06 09:16, Carl Fink wrote: On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 04:18:29PM +0100, steef wrote: etch is a *testing* distro. why not try sarge (stable) first *before* thinking of turning back to fedora? He has modern hardware, or wants to run

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-28 Thread Tim Post
On Sat, 2006-10-28 at 15:09 +0200, Bruno wrote: However my conclusion is this week-end I'll move back to Fedora (even if yum is so far behind dpkg). Bye, Bruno Fedora is an *experimental* operating system, etch is a *beta*. Neither one should be used in any kind of production setting,

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-28 Thread Bruno
On Saturday 28 October 2006 15:47, Steve Lamb wrote: Bruno wrote: However my conclusion is this week-end I'll move back to Fedora (even if yum is so far behind dpkg). Why switch off apt/dpkg if you think they are superior? There are Debian based distributions which you could try first

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-28 Thread Bruno
On Saturday 28 October 2006 15:48, Andrei Popescu wrote: Bruno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I really do not want to start any flame here but after all, as I used Debian for few months, I find honest to say why I'm leaving it. So few months ago, I installed etch on my laptop

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-28 Thread Carl Fink
On Sat, Oct 28, 2006 at 09:42:58AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/28/06 09:16, Carl Fink wrote: On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 04:18:29PM +0100, steef wrote: etch is a *testing* distro. why not try sarge (stable) first *before* thinking of

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-28 Thread Jerome BENOIT
Bruno wrote: On Saturday 28 October 2006 15:37, Jerome BENOIT wrote: Hello, why did you not try first the current stable version of Debian ? Cheers, Jerome Bruno wrote: Hello, I really do not want to start any flame here but after all, as I used Debian for few months, I find honest to

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-28 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/28/06 10:15, Carl Fink wrote: On Sat, Oct 28, 2006 at 09:42:58AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/28/06 09:16, Carl Fink wrote: On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 04:18:29PM +0100, steef wrote: etch is

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-28 Thread Zoran Kolic
I really do not want to start any flame here but after all, as I used Debian for few months, I find honest to say why I'm leaving it. It is not a living thing. Has it's own purpose and fulfils it. Anyway, linux is user friendly this days. - as I installed etch around 50% of shutdowns never

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-28 Thread Mark Grieveson
Hello, I really do not want to start any flame here but after all, as I used Debian for few months, I find honest to say why I'm leaving it. Hmm. Why on earth would anyone use Linux, and not want to start flame wars? That's part of the fun. Hereafter main problems encountered (some

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-28 Thread Pollywog
On Saturday 28 October 2006 14:42, Bruno wrote: Thanks I'll certainly re-try later Debian and etch. Especially because I already put stikers 'Debian' on my laptop and would not like to remove them ;-) Bruno Did Debian detect all the hardware on your laptop? The reason I removed Debian

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-28 Thread Pollywog
On Saturday 28 October 2006 13:09, Bruno wrote: Once again I do not want to start any flame here : indeed Debian is a superb distro (packaging system is really superb) but, IMHO, dedicated to 'Linux techies' ? However my conclusion is this week-end I'll move back to Fedora (even if yum is so

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-28 Thread Douglas Tutty
On Sat, Oct 28, 2006 at 03:09:14PM +0200, Bruno wrote: Hello, I really do not want to start any flame here but after all, as I used Debian for few months, I find honest to say why I'm leaving it. So few months ago, I installed etch on my laptop (previously had Fedora-5 on it) just to

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-28 Thread Bruno
On Saturday 28 October 2006 18:24, Zoran Kolic wrote: I really do not want to start any flame here but after all, as I used Debian for few months, I find honest to say why I'm leaving it. It is not a living thing. Has it's own purpose and fulfils it. Anyway, linux is user friendly this

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-28 Thread Bruno
On Saturday 28 October 2006 20:50, Pollywog wrote: On Saturday 28 October 2006 14:42, Bruno wrote: Thanks I'll certainly re-try later Debian and etch. Especially because I already put stikers 'Debian' on my laptop and would not like to remove them ;-) Bruno Did Debian detect all the

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-28 Thread Pollywog
On Saturday 28 October 2006 20:24, Douglas Tutty wrote: I'm assuming you tried Etch because your hardware was too new to install Sarge (the current stable). It is frustrating to have new hardware and no stable distro to install on it. Fortunatly, I find myself in that predicament only

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-28 Thread tom arnall
On Sunday 29 October 2006 07:18, steef wrote: Bruno wrote: Hello, I really do not want to start any flame here but after all, as I used Debian for few months, I find honest to say why I'm leaving it. So few months ago, I installed etch on my laptop (previously had Fedora-5 on it)

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-28 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2006-10-28 23:09:18 +0800, Tim Post wrote: If you want to tinker, check out www.backports.org , and sit down for an evening to install Sarge and then pick and choose what you need. Sarge can't be installed directly on recent machines, because the kernel it provides doesn't recognize SATA

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-28 Thread M-L
On Saturday 28 October 2006 23:09, Bruno shared this with us all: -- Hello, -- -- I really do not want to start any flame here but after all, as I used Debian -- for few months, I find honest to say why I'm leaving it. -- -- So few months ago, I installed etch on my laptop (previously had

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-28 Thread Damon L. Chesser
Bruno wrote: On Saturday 28 October 2006 20:50, Pollywog wrote: On Saturday 28 October 2006 14:42, Bruno wrote: Thanks I'll certainly re-try later Debian and etch. Especially because I already put stikers 'Debian' on my laptop and would not like to remove them ;-) Bruno Did

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-28 Thread Steve Lamb
Damon L. Chesser wrote: No, you are right, but as far as I know, it is NOT included by default in any Linux. Nos Suse, not FC, not Ubuntu, not Debian, not any I have tried. Mepis? One of my on-again-off-again projects is to drop Windows for my gaming platform. Switching to OSX is one

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-28 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Saturday 28 October 2006 14:39, Mark Grieveson wrote: Hello, I really do not want to start any flame here but after all, as I used Debian for few months, I find honest to say why I'm leaving it. Hmm. Why on earth would anyone use Linux, and not want to start flame wars? That's

Re: Why I left Debian

2006-10-28 Thread Damon L. Chesser
Steve Lamb wrote: Damon L. Chesser wrote: No, you are right, but as far as I know, it is NOT included by default in any Linux. Nos Suse, not FC, not Ubuntu, not Debian, not any I have tried. Mepis? One of my on-again-off-again projects is to drop Windows for my gaming platform.