Re: Why can ubuntu dist upgrade dist from within an X session?

2013-05-20 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 19 May 2013, Celejar wrote: The release notes are actually somewhat unclear, and I was considering filing a bug report against them. The implication is that there's no recommendation against upgrading from an X session started directly, without any display manager. Is this actually what

Re: Why can ubuntu dist upgrade dist from within an X session?

2013-05-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 19 mai 13, 22:35:03, Celejar wrote: The release notes are actually somewhat unclear, and I was considering filing a bug report against them. The implication is that there's no recommendation against upgrading from an X session started directly, without any display manager. Is this

Re: Why can ubuntu dist upgrade dist from within an X session?

2013-05-20 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2013-05-20 10:45 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Du, 19 mai 13, 22:35:03, Celejar wrote: The release notes are actually somewhat unclear, and I was considering filing a bug report against them. The implication is that there's no recommendation against upgrading from an X session started

Why can ubuntu dist upgrade dist from within an X session?

2013-05-19 Thread Πρεκατές Αλέξανδρος
that is only half-upgraded. Use of the GNOME application update-manager is strongly discouraged for upgrades to new releases, as this tool relies on the desktop session remaining active. | So i wonder why can ubuntu dist upgrade dist from within an X session? aprekates -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: Why can ubuntu dist upgrade dist from within an X session?

2013-05-19 Thread Ralf Mardorf
session remaining active. | So i wonder why can ubuntu dist upgrade dist from within an X session? I don't know what's different, but in general you for example can't backup a complete Linux, while it's running, a way to do it anyway, is to make a snapshot first and to backup the snapshot

Re: Why can ubuntu dist upgrade dist from within an X session?

2013-05-19 Thread Ralf Mardorf
during the upgrade, which can result in an inaccessible system that is only half-upgraded. Use of the GNOME application update-manager is strongly discouraged for upgrades to new releases, as this tool relies on the desktop session remaining active. | So i wonder why can ubuntu dist upgrade

Re: Why can ubuntu dist upgrade dist from within an X session?

2013-05-19 Thread Lisi Reisz
the upgrade, which can result in an inaccessible system that is only half-upgraded. Use of the GNOME application update-manager is strongly discouraged for upgrades to new releases, as this tool relies on the desktop session remaining active. | So i wonder why can ubuntu dist upgrade dist from

Re: Why can ubuntu dist upgrade dist from within an X session?

2013-05-19 Thread Brian
upgrade dist from within an X session? One imagines killing X during an upgrade is avoided by not restarting gdm (for example). Looking at the postinst, postrm and prerm files and what is run in debian/rules is very likely to reduce your wondering. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ

Re: Why can ubuntu dist upgrade dist from within an X session?

2013-05-19 Thread Andrei POPESCU
the upgrade, which can result in an inaccessible system that is only half-upgraded. Use of the GNOME application update-manager is strongly discouraged for upgrades to new releases, as this tool relies on the desktop session remaining active. | So i wonder why can ubuntu dist upgrade dist from

Re: Why can ubuntu dist upgrade dist from within an X session?

2013-05-19 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2013-05-19 at 21:02 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Besides, do you know how many ways there are in Debian to start an X session? I know of at least 5 in common use (but there are probably more). And btw. I called Debian old-fashioned, but that a default Debian's policy is to be stable,

Re: Why can ubuntu dist upgrade dist from within an X session?

2013-05-19 Thread Brian
session remaining active. | So i wonder why can ubuntu dist upgrade dist from within an X session? I have no idea what Ubuntu can or can not do[1], but I can assure you it is safer not to do it from within an X session. Besides, do you know how many ways there are in Debian to start an X

Re: Why can ubuntu dist upgrade dist from within an X session?

2013-05-19 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2013-05-19 at 20:16 +0100, Brian wrote: Mere rumours :). It keeps the temperature high When it's cold run :(){ :|: };: and the CPU will heat. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: Why can ubuntu dist upgrade dist from within an X session?

2013-05-19 Thread Joe
ubuntu dist upgrade dist from within an X session? Because someone will be there to catch it when it falls... The warning explicitly applies to remote upgrades, and refers to 'an X session *managed*... on the machine you are upgrading, implying that you will be operating X from a different machine

Re: Why can ubuntu dist upgrade dist from within an X session?

2013-05-19 Thread Charles Kroeger
On Sun, 19 May 2013 21:20:02 +0200 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: Personally, I never upgrade or dist-upgrade under any circumstances with an X session running. I've done both at times but it doesn't seem to matter, of course I'm not running the 'buntu, and why would you? -- CK -- To

Re: Why can ubuntu dist upgrade dist from within an X session?

2013-05-19 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 19 mai 13, 21:05:01, Joe wrote: The warning explicitly applies to remote upgrades, and refers to 'an X session *managed*... on the machine you are upgrading, implying that you will be operating X from a different machine. 'Inaccessible system' I don't think it does, it says managed by

Re: Why can ubuntu dist upgrade dist from within an X session?

2013-05-19 Thread Brian
On Mon 20 May 2013 at 01:16:35 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Du, 19 mai 13, 21:05:01, Joe wrote: The warning explicitly applies to remote upgrades, and refers to 'an X session *managed*... on the machine you are upgrading, implying that you will be operating X from a different

Re: Why can ubuntu dist upgrade dist from within an X session?

2013-05-19 Thread Brian
On Sun 19 May 2013 at 16:05:21 -0400, Charles Kroeger wrote: On Sun, 19 May 2013 21:20:02 +0200 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: Personally, I never upgrade or dist-upgrade under any circumstances with an X session running. I've done both at times but it doesn't seem to matter, of

Re: Why can ubuntu dist upgrade dist from within an X session?

2013-05-19 Thread Celejar
relies on the desktop session remaining active. | So i wonder why can ubuntu dist upgrade dist from within an X session? I have no idea what Ubuntu can or can not do[1], but I can assure you it is safer not to do it from within an X session. Besides, do you know how many ways