Re: Xen vs. KVM on Debian squeeze

2012-12-13 Thread Helmut Wollmersdorfer
Am 09.12.2012 um 07:48 schrieb P. J. McDermott: I'd like to set up virtualization on a home server with a Debian GNU/Linux squeeze amd64 host and squeeze and wheezy amd64 guests. I'm trying to decide between Xen 4.0 (with paravirtualized guests and probably the xend/xm toolstack) and qemu-kvm

Re: Xen vs. KVM on Debian squeeze

2012-12-13 Thread Thore
Hello, I'm using xen on my system too I have an CPU like yours. In the system are 8GB Ram There are three domU everyone with an own ip adress (bridging) I have one domU with 512mb the other ones are with 1024mb ram. the dom0 is running on wheezy. There are no problems at the moment. The domU is

Re: Xen vs. KVM on Debian squeeze

2012-12-12 Thread Chris Davies
P. J. McDermott p...@nac.net wrote: I'd like to set up virtualization on a home server So now you have recommendations both ways :-) Chris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: Xen vs. KVM on Debian squeeze

2012-12-12 Thread Chris Davies
Peter Viskup skupko...@gmail.com wrote: Consider LXC [2] in case you have some concerns of CPU/memory overhead and you plan to run only Linux virtual servers. LXC looks really nice but you need very up-to-date packages, and possibly may even need to consider compiling from source. Issues I've

Re: Xen vs. KVM on Debian squeeze

2012-12-11 Thread Chris Davies
P. J. McDermott p...@nac.net wrote: I'd like to set up virtualization on a home server with a Debian GNU/Linux squeeze amd64 host and squeeze and wheezy amd64 guests. I'd recommend KVM and libvirt/VMM. The server has two 3.0-GHz CPU cores (an AMD CPU with the AMD-V/SVM virtualization

Re: Xen vs. KVM on Debian squeeze

2012-12-11 Thread Nuno Magalhães
Greetings, On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Chris Davies chris-use...@roaima.co.uk wrote: P. J. McDermott p...@nac.net wrote: I'd like to set up virtualization on a home server with a Debian GNU/Linux squeeze amd64 host and squeeze and wheezy amd64 guests. I'd recommend KVM and libvirt/VMM.

Re: Xen vs. KVM on Debian squeeze

2012-12-11 Thread Peter Viskup
On 12/09/2012 07:48 AM, P. J. McDermott wrote: Hi, I'd like to set up virtualization on a home server with a Debian GNU/Linux squeeze amd64 host and squeeze and wheezy amd64 guests. I'm trying to decide between Xen 4.0 (with paravirtualized guests and probably the xend/xm toolstack) and

Xen vs. KVM on Debian squeeze

2012-12-08 Thread P. J. McDermott
Hi, I'd like to set up virtualization on a home server with a Debian GNU/Linux squeeze amd64 host and squeeze and wheezy amd64 guests. I'm trying to decide between Xen 4.0 (with paravirtualized guests and probably the xend/xm toolstack) and qemu-kvm 0.12 or 1.1 (with the libvirt tools). My

Re: Xen vs KVM

2012-08-23 Thread Muhammad Yousuf Khan
i am using proxmox KVM.. on 3 base servers for more then 2 years. i do migrate, backup and all the process intensive task and every thing. till today i havent found any issue related to stabitliy. once i remeber i havent started my virtual machines for 4 monts,and my base, i never found a reason

Re: Xen vs KVM

2012-08-21 Thread francis picabia
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 2:59 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: Unless there's a fedora-devel thread where this was discussed, there's probably no way to know why RHEL6 switched to kvm except to assume that kvm's in-kernel and xen isn't. This has changed in the latest kernels so xen support

Re: Xen vs KVM

2012-03-30 Thread Hilco Wijbenga
On 29 March 2012 22:59, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:32 PM, francis picabia fpica...@gmail.com wrote: Xen requires a patched kernel.  It is unstable.  It crashed on me randomly before I got as far as configuring any VM stuff. The system which experienced this

Re: Xen vs KVM

2012-03-30 Thread Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)
On 29/03/2012 00:44, Hilco Wijbenga wrote: On 28 March 2012 06:43, Aaron Toponceaaron.topo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 09:35:25AM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote: For me, it became yesterday's technology when it became apparent that the hypervisor model (putting an entirely new

Re: Xen vs KVM

2012-03-30 Thread Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)
On 30/03/2012 00:32, francis picabia wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Hilco Wijbenga hilco.wijbe...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 March 2012 06:43, Aaron Toponceaaron.topo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 09:35:25AM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote: For me, it became yesterday's

Re: Xen vs KVM

2012-03-30 Thread Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)
On 30/03/2012 13:34, wlan wrote: On my job we using KVM+Proxmox, This is pretty. 2012/3/30 Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) ubuntu.fan.2...@gmail.com mailto:ubuntu.fan.2...@gmail.com On 28/03/2012 16:36, Jon Dowland wrote: On 28/03/12 01:32, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:

Re: Xen vs KVM

2012-03-30 Thread Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)
On 30/03/2012 13:59, Tom H wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:32 PM, francis picabiafpica...@gmail.com wrote: Xen requires a patched kernel. It is unstable. It crashed on me randomly before I got as far as configuring any VM stuff. The system which experienced this returned to a standard

Re: Xen vs KVM

2012-03-30 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 30 mar 12, 17:24:55, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote: [snipped 38 lines] May I know what is Proxmox? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=proxmox Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic

Re: Xen vs KVM

2012-03-30 Thread Jon Dowland
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 05:27:14PM +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote: Do you know when RHEL 7 might be released? Take a look at when RHEL 6 came out (very recently) and how long the gap between RHEL releases is on average (large) and extrapolate (not for years). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: Xen vs KVM

2012-03-30 Thread Jon Dowland
VirtualBox and Virtual Iron and also Microsoft's Hyper-V is based on Xen code I think. This has no bearing on the relative performance merits of Xen vs. KVM. (FWIW, I think you're wrong re VirtualBox, but Oracle do develop a branded product based on Xen called Oracle VM, formerly Sun xVM. I'm fairly

Re: Xen vs KVM

2012-03-30 Thread Mika Suomalainen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I just got interested about virtualization and noticed that this thread is still going on. As far as I can see, most people are currently recommending Xen. Are there any GUIs or WebUIs for Xen or KVM and how do they work? - -- Mika

Re: Xen vs KVM

2012-03-30 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 5:54 AM, Jon Dowland j...@debian.org wrote: On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 05:27:14PM +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote: Do you know when RHEL 7 might be released? Take a look at when RHEL 6 came out (very recently) and how long the gap between RHEL releases is on

Re: Xen vs KVM

2012-03-30 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 3:13 AM, Hilco Wijbenga hilco.wijbe...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 March 2012 22:59, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:32 PM, francis picabia fpica...@gmail.com wrote: Xen requires a patched kernel.  It is unstable.  It crashed on me randomly before

Re: Xen vs KVM

2012-03-30 Thread Jon Dowland
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 02:36:32PM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: I just got interested about virtualization and noticed that this thread is still going on. As far as I can see, most people are currently recommending Xen. The sample size of thread participants is too small to extrapolate

Re: Xen vs KVM

2012-03-30 Thread Mika Suomalainen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Proxmox VE seems to be it's own distribution and I don't understand which should be run first with Ganeti :). On 30.03.2012 15:42, Jon Dowland wrote: On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 02:36:32PM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: I just got interested about

Re: Xen vs KVM

2012-03-30 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Donnerstag, 29. März 2012 schrieb francis picabia: Xen requires a patched kernel. It is unstable. It crashed on me randomly before I got as far as configuring any VM stuff. The system which experienced this returned to a standard Debian kernel and never had a problem again. Not any

Re: Xen vs KVM

2012-03-30 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 00:13:40 -0700, Hilco wrote in message CAE1pOi2xCrw=gr+tgymkojw6a9wonsesaqe74yve14umto5...@mail.gmail.com: RH employs some of the KVM devs. RH apparently has not contributed to Xen for several years and has now decided to only support a single code base: KVM. It does not

Re: Xen vs KVM

2012-03-30 Thread Tony van der Hoff
to further the discussion. Oracle VirtualBox and Virtual Iron and also Microsoft's Hyper-V is based on Xen code I think. This has no bearing on the relative performance merits of Xen vs. KVM. (FWIW, I think you're wrong re VirtualBox, but Oracle do develop a branded product based on Xen called

Re: Xen vs KVM

2012-03-30 Thread Patrick Bartek
Do you know when RHEL 7 might be released? If you had asked that a couple of months ago, I would have said late 2013 since, in the past, a new release came just before support ended on the version two versions prior to it.  In this case, RHEL 5, whose support ends in early 2014.  But Red

Re: Xen vs KVM

2012-03-30 Thread Lisi
On Friday 30 March 2012 18:09:44 Tony van der Hoff wrote: For heaven's sake, it is perfectly evident that this guy (Zhang Enming) is setting up as a troll. Admittedly, he's doing it quite well, but let's stop responding to his ranting, and he'll get bored. I came to that same conclusion, but

Re: Xen vs KVM

2012-03-29 Thread francis picabia
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Hilco Wijbenga hilco.wijbe...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 March 2012 06:43, Aaron Toponce aaron.topo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 09:35:25AM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote: For me, it became yesterday's technology when it became apparent that the hypervisor

Re: Xen vs KVM

2012-03-29 Thread Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)
On 28/03/2012 16:35, Jon Dowland wrote: On 27/03/12 14:32, Aaron Toponce wrote: IMO, Xen isn't yesterday's virtualization technology. It's very current, stable, flexible, supported and very much today's virtualization technology. For me, it became yesterday's technology when it became

Re: Xen vs KVM

2012-03-29 Thread Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)
On 28/03/2012 16:36, Jon Dowland wrote: On 28/03/12 01:32, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote: I am also in favor of Xen. You have just said, not two messages ago, that you've never even tried KVM. I always prefer to base my opinions on evidence, personally. Yes, I have never tried Linux

Re: Xen vs KVM

2012-03-29 Thread wlan
On my job we using KVM+Proxmox, This is pretty. 2012/3/30 Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) ubuntu.fan.2...@gmail.com On 28/03/2012 16:36, Jon Dowland wrote: On 28/03/12 01:32, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote: I am also in favor of Xen. You have just said, not two messages ago, that you've

Re: Xen vs KVM

2012-03-29 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:32 PM, francis picabia fpica...@gmail.com wrote: Xen requires a patched kernel.  It is unstable.  It crashed on me randomly before I got as far as configuring any VM stuff. The system which experienced this returned to a standard Debian kernel and never had a

Re: Xen vs KVM

2012-03-28 Thread Jon Dowland
On 27/03/12 14:32, Aaron Toponce wrote: IMO, Xen isn't yesterday's virtualization technology. It's very current, stable, flexible, supported and very much today's virtualization technology. For me, it became yesterday's technology when it became apparent that the hypervisor model (putting an

Re: Xen vs KVM

2012-03-28 Thread Jon Dowland
On 28/03/12 01:32, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote: I am also in favor of Xen. You have just said, not two messages ago, that you've never even tried KVM. I always prefer to base my opinions on evidence, personally. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a

Re: Xen vs KVM

2012-03-28 Thread Aaron Toponce
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 09:35:25AM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote: For me, it became yesterday's technology when it became apparent that the hypervisor model (putting an entirely new kernel between Linux and the hardware) created all sorts of performance problems, and neglected the decades of work

Re: Xen vs KVM

2012-03-28 Thread Hilco Wijbenga
On 28 March 2012 06:43, Aaron Toponce aaron.topo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 09:35:25AM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote: For me, it became yesterday's technology when it became apparent that the hypervisor model (putting an entirely new kernel between Linux and the hardware) created

Xen vs KVM (was: Re: When will Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x be Released?)

2012-03-27 Thread Aaron Toponce
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 09:51:28AM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 01:04:57PM +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote: When will Debian 7.0 be released? Debian with Linux Kernel 3.x release seems very slow when all the other Linux distros already have the latest Linux

Re: Xen vs KVM

2012-03-27 Thread Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)
On 27/03/2012 21:32, Aaron Toponce wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 09:51:28AM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 01:04:57PM +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote: When will Debian 7.0 be released? Debian with Linux Kernel 3.x release seems very slow when all the other Linux

RE: Xen vs KVM

2012-03-27 Thread Kostas Psilopoulos
From: ubuntu.fan.2...@gmail.com To: aaron.topo...@gmail.com; debian-user@lists.debian.org; singapore.mr.teo.en.m...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Xen vs KVM On 27/03/2012 21:32, Aaron Toponce wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 09:51:28AM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 01:04:57PM

Re: Xen vs KVM

2012-03-27 Thread Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)
. The specific needs of the usecase should lead you to the choice to be made! Best regards! Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 01:55:31 +0800 From: ubuntu.fan.2...@gmail.com To: aaron.topo...@gmail.com; debian-user@lists.debian.org; singapore.mr.teo.en.m...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Xen vs KVM On 27

Xen vs KVM

2009-03-26 Thread William Pereira de Paula
Boa tarde lista, gostaria de algumas considerações sobre qual seria a melhor escolha para dois servidores de virtualização com alta disponibilidade e balanceamento de carga, estou preocupado com a utilização do Xen a longo prazo pois tanto a Red Hat quanto o Ubuntu deixaram de oferecer soluções de

Re: Xen vs KVM

2009-03-26 Thread Ufa
Artigo muito bom sobre o assunto. Atente para os comentários: http://lwn.net/Articles/321696/ 2009/3/26 William Pereira de Paula williamkbl...@gmail.com Boa tarde lista, gostaria de algumas considerações sobre qual seria a melhor escolha para dois servidores de virtualização com alta

Re: Xen vs. KVM

2007-06-14 Thread Vincent Bernat
OoO En cette soirée bien amorcée du mercredi 13 juin 2007, vers 22:12, Daniel Huhardeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] disait: J'alloue le fichier RAW sur une partition dédiée en LVM et xfs ;-) Je l'utilise depuis longtemps en PROD sur des serveurs Dell rackable Maintenant, xen fait de la virtualisation

Xen vs. KVM

2007-06-13 Thread Franck
Salut, je suis à la recherche de bench, feeedback concernant kvm et xen. Je connais et je me sers de xen tous les jours en PROD en version 2.x donc sans support Windows pour le guest. Vu que kvm est intégré au kernel, je me dis qu'il doit être performant (c'est purement subjectif :) ).

Re: Xen vs. KVM

2007-06-13 Thread Galevsky
Très intéressé par la question aussi Le 13/06/07, Franck[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Salut, je suis à la recherche de bench, feeedback concernant kvm et xen. Je connais et je me sers de xen tous les jours en PROD en version 2.x donc sans support Windows pour le guest. Vu que kvm est

Re: Xen vs. KVM

2007-06-13 Thread Daniel Huhardeaux
Galevsky a écrit : Très intéressé par la question aussi Le 13/06/07, Franck[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Salut, je suis à la recherche de bench, feeedback concernant kvm et xen. Je connais et je me sers de xen tous les jours en PROD en version 2.x donc sans support Windows pour le guest.

Re: Xen vs. KVM

2007-06-13 Thread Franck
Salut, Galevsky a écrit : Très intéressé par la question aussi Le 13/06/07, Franck[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Salut, je suis à la recherche de bench, feeedback concernant kvm et xen. Je connais et je me sers de xen tous les jours en PROD en version 2.x donc sans support Windows pour

Re: Xen vs. KVM

2007-06-13 Thread Daniel Huhardeaux
Franck a écrit : [...] Ceci dit, Xen fait de la paravirtualisation alors que KVM fait de la virtualisation. Il faut donc, pour utiliser KVM, avoir le processeur qui va bien. Ensuite, il faut avoir de la mémoire car KVM alloue la resource à l'OS hébergé (RAM dédiée donc). Enfin KVM repose pour