Re: Apt-get vs Aptitude vs Apt

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 1:58 AM Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Ma, 11 aug 20, 15:33:53, Javier Barroso wrote: > > > > I swiched from aptitude to apt-get/apt some years ago > > > > aptitude need love :( > > > > My problem was mixing 64 and 32 bits packages. Seem aptitude didn't do a > > good job > >

Re: Apt-get vs Aptitude vs Apt

On Ma, 11 aug 20, 15:33:53, Javier Barroso wrote: > > I swiched from aptitude to apt-get/apt some years ago > > aptitude need love :( > > My problem was mixing 64 and 32 bits packages. Seem aptitude didn't do a > good job > > Reading Planet debian and transitions and apt-listbugs (or how It is

Re: Apt-get vs Aptitude vs Apt

El mar., 11 ago. 2020 13:31, Andrei POPESCU escribió: > On Vi, 07 aug 20, 13:31:53, Default User wrote: > > Hey guys, > > > > Recently there was a thread about aptitude dependency resolution > > limitations. > > If you are referring to the limitations of 'aptitude why', this 1) > reverse

Re: Apt-get vs Aptitude vs Apt

On Vi, 07 aug 20, 13:31:53, Default User wrote: > Hey guys, > > Recently there was a thread about aptitude dependency resolution > limitations. If you are referring to the limitations of 'aptitude why', this 1) reverse dependency and 2) apt / apt-get don't even have (an equivalent for) this.

Re: Apt-get vs Aptitude vs Apt

On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 13:06:50 +0200 Johann Klammer wrote: > On 08/07/2020 10:10 PM, Joe wrote: > > On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 13:31:53 -0400 > > Default User wrote: > > > >> Hey guys, > >> > >> Recently there was a thread about aptitude dependency resolution > >> limitations. > >> > >> Years ago, I

Re: Apt-get vs Aptitude vs Apt

On 08/07/2020 10:10 PM, Joe wrote: > On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 13:31:53 -0400 > Default User wrote: > >> Hey guys, >> >> Recently there was a thread about aptitude dependency resolution >> limitations. >> >> Years ago, I believe I read in the Debian documentation that aptitude >> was preferred to

Re: Apt-get vs Aptitude vs Apt

* 2020-08-07 20:04:24-03, riveravaldez wrote: > On Friday, August 7, 2020, Joe wrote: >> I believe it is still aptitude. >> >> However, the length of time it takes increases sharply with number of >> packages to be upgraded. If you have more than a hundred or so, (not >> unusual on unstable) it

Re: Apt-get vs Aptitude vs Apt

On Friday, August 7, 2020, Joe wrote: > On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 13:31:53 -0400 > Default User wrote: >> So, all other things being equal, which is currently considered to be >> the best at dependency resolution? > > I believe it is still aptitude. > > However, the length of time it takes increases

Re: Apt-get vs Aptitude vs Apt

On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 13:31:53 -0400 Default User wrote: > Hey guys, > > Recently there was a thread about aptitude dependency resolution > limitations. > > Years ago, I believe I read in the Debian documentation that aptitude > was preferred to apt-get, because it seemed to have better

Apt-get vs Aptitude vs Apt

Hey guys, Recently there was a thread about aptitude dependency resolution limitations. Years ago, I believe I read in the Debian documentation that aptitude was preferred to apt-get, because it seemed to have better dependency resolution. Now, we have apt, as well. So, all other things being

Re: bones practiques: apt-get vs aptitude

Hi ha diverses d'eines per fer el mateix. Amb avantatges i inconvenients cadascuna, jo com tothom faig servir la que més m'hi he acostumat per cada tasca en concret. apt-get apt-cache apt-file dpkg dpkg-reconfigure dpkg-query aptitude etc. Jo faig servir tots aquests, cadascun en una situació

Re: bones practiques: apt-get vs aptitude

On 09/12/15 08:24, Àlex wrote: > On 08/12/15 20:55, Pedro wrote: > >> Jo havia llegit que l'eina és "aptitude", ja que és més elaborada, >> complexa, processa més. I que apt-get és més lightweight > > Però poc a poc han ant incorporant canvis i més canvis a apt. > >

Re: bones practiques: apt-get vs aptitude

Jordi Funollet: > A la trobada de Girona (si la neurona no m'enganya) vam comentar que > 'aptitude' havia deixat de ser l'eina de gestió de paquets recomanada a > Debian, i ara les bones pràctiques diuen que cal fer servir 'apt-get'. Com ja s'ha comentat, per l'upgrade a jessie es recomana

Re: bones practiques: apt-get vs aptitude

On 09/12/15 08:24, Àlex wrote: > On 08/12/15 20:55, Pedro wrote: > >> Jo havia llegit que l'eina és "aptitude", ja que és més elaborada, >> complexa, processa més. I que apt-get és més lightweight > > Però poc a poc han ant incorporant canvis i més canvis a apt. > >

Re: bones practiques: apt-get vs aptitude

Jo crec que s'estan barrejant coses. De totes les eines que es comenten la pregunta incial és apt-get vs aptitude ja que són dues eines complementàries: fan el mateix de maneres lleugerament diferents. apt (a seques) o dpkg o d'altres que s'han comentat són eines que treballen amb paquetes però

Re: bones practiques: apt-get vs aptitude

Sergi Baila: > El que he llegit fa poc és que aptitude ha quedat sense mantenidor, però > imagino que és un problema temporal. Segons es veu al tracker[0] el paquet té activitat recent, suposo que la cosa es devia resoldre (també em sona que algun dels seus mantenidors havia plegat però ara n'hi

bones practiques: apt-get vs aptitude

A la trobada de Girona (si la neurona no m'enganya) vam comentar que 'aptitude' havia deixat de ser l'eina de gestió de paquets recomanada a Debian, i ara les bones pràctiques diuen que cal fer servir 'apt-get'. Buscant una mica em trobo això que diu just el contrari:

Re: bones practiques: apt-get vs aptitude

Jo havia llegit que l'eina és "aptitude", ja que és més elaborada, complexa, processa més. I que apt-get és més lightweight recentment també he trobat aquesta http://askubuntu.com/questions/481241/what-is-the-difference-between-sudo-apt-get-install-and-sudo-apt-install sudo apt --help [sudo]

Re: bones practiques: apt-get vs aptitude

On Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 08:55:10PM +0100, Pedro wrote: > Jo havia llegit que l'eina és "aptitude", ja que és més elaborada, > complexa, processa més. I que apt-get és més lightweight > > recentment també he trobat aquesta >

Re: bones practiques: apt-get vs aptitude

Jo sempre he pensat que "aptitude" es una comanda mes nova, i mes addient que "apt-get" per persones com jo, es a dir, que tenim algun coneixement d'anglès i fa entre 5 i 15 anys que fem servir distribucions ".deb" (jo vaig començar amb Debian 4.0 "Etch"). Per a mi, es mes clar i simple saber que

Re: bones practiques: apt-get vs aptitude

Jo ho havia llegit a la guia d'actualització a jessie: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#minimal-upgrade Aquí es recomana de fer servir apt en comptes d'aptitude Salut!

Re: bones practiques: apt-get vs aptitude

2015-12- 8, 21:40 (+0100); Adrià escriu: > Em penso (corregiu-me, si us plau) que la intenció és (o era) que > «apt» acabés sent **el** frontal per treballar amb «dpkg». I > mentrestant, anar usant «aptitude» en comptes d'«apt-get», però també > he llegit el contrari. És al revés. Apt-get era el

Re: bones practiques: apt-get vs aptitude

bones, jo sempre faig servir apt-get, però quan trenca coses o he d'instal·lar un paquet a saco o amb més cura tiro cap a aptitude o dpkg. aptitude molts cops arregla les xapusses que fa apt-get quin és l'estandard, doncs no ho sé, però jo sóc una persona fora del corrent xD - Blackhold

Re: bones practiques: apt-get vs aptitude

On 08/12/15 20:55, Pedro wrote: > Jo havia llegit que l'eina és "aptitude", ja que és més elaborada, > complexa, processa més. I que apt-get és més lightweight Però poc a poc han ant incorporant canvis i més canvis a apt. https://mvogt.wordpress.com/2014/04/04/apt-1-0/

Re: bones practiques: apt-get vs aptitude

Hola, El dia 08/12/2015 22:45, "Pedro" va escriure: > > deixeu-me afegir un comentari més, > > no és que sigui massa expert, però de les vegades que he utilitzat > apt-get i aptitude: > - apt-get va molt ràpid però a vegades pren males decisions en > dependències (o no té

Re: bones practiques: apt-get vs aptitude

correcció: aptitude una mica més lent que apt-get :) 2015-12-08 22:42 GMT+01:00 Pedro : > deixeu-me afegir un comentari més, > > no és que sigui massa expert, però de les vegades que he utilitzat > apt-get i aptitude: > - apt-get va molt ràpid però a vegades pren males

Re: bones practiques: apt-get vs aptitude

deixeu-me afegir un comentari més, no és que sigui massa expert, però de les vegades que he utilitzat apt-get i aptitude: - apt-get va molt ràpid però a vegades pren males decisions en dependències (o no té solucions), si fas algo malament ho has d'arreglar a mà. - aptitude és tot el contrari,

Re: apt-get vs. aptitude

On Saturday 12 October 2013 06:45:15 Dmitrii Kashin wrote: Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com writes: Have you filed a bug report about aptitude breaking apt (whatever that means!) or is this just FUD? No, I have not. Because it is normal aptitude's behaviour. It was a cognitive case... You

Re: apt-get vs. aptitude

On Sunday 13 October 2013 18:44:51 Frank McCormick wrote:  Aptitude has been refusing to do a full upgrade on my Jessie system for the past two weeks because it said it needed xorg-video-abi-12 but it said it is not installable. Well, not so. I tried running Synaptic this morning and it had

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

Le 25.10.2013 15:30, Joel Rees a écrit : On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 7:26 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 23.10.2013 14:22, Joel Rees a écrit : On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 9:47 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 22.10.2013 23:01, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/21/2013

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

Le 23.10.2013 14:22, Joel Rees a écrit : On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 9:47 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 22.10.2013 23:01, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/21/2013 5:26 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 19:36, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : [...] Even inlined code

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

Le 23.10.2013 04:04, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/22/2013 8:47 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 22.10.2013 23:01, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/21/2013 5:26 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 19:36, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/18/2013 1:10 PM,

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

On 2013-10-21, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: COBOL is still used, but tend to disappear, you can like it or not. I COBOL programs are in use globally in governmental and military agencies and in commercial enterprises, and are running on operating

Re: COBOL [was: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)]

Curt wrote: On 2013-10-21, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: COBOL is still used, but tend to disappear, you can like it or not. I COBOL programs are in use globally in governmental and military agencies and in commercial enterprises, and are running on

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

On 10/21/2013 5:26 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 19:36, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/18/2013 1:10 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 17:22, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/17/2013 12:42 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 16.10.2013 17:51,

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

On 10/21/2013 5:40 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 21.10.2013 22:23, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/21/2013 3:49 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 19.10.2013 04:48, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/18/2013 7:33 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: berenger.mo...@neutralite.org

Re: COBOL [was: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)]

On 10/22/2013 10:01 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Curt wrote: On 2013-10-21, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: COBOL is still used, but tend to disappear, you can like it or not. I COBOL programs are in use globally in governmental and military agencies and in

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

Le 22.10.2013 23:01, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/21/2013 5:26 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 19:36, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/18/2013 1:10 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 17:22, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/17/2013 12:42 PM,

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

On 10/22/2013 8:47 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 22.10.2013 23:01, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/21/2013 5:26 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 19:36, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/18/2013 1:10 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 17:22,

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

Le 19.10.2013 01:10, Miles Fidelman a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 16:22, Miles Fidelman a écrit : (though it's pretty hard to get hired for anything in the US without a bachelorate in something) I do not think it can be worse than in France. Ok. I wasn't

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

Le 18.10.2013 20:24, Joe a écrit : On Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:36:13 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 04:32, Miles Fidelman a écrit : I'm pretty sure that C was NOT written to build operating systems - though it's been used for that (notably Unix). I never said I

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: That's why some professions have needs for legal stuff. We can not really compare a doctor with the usual computer scientist, right? And I said usual, because most of us do not, and will never work, on stuff which can kill someone. And when we do,

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

Le 21.10.2013 19:46, Miles Fidelman a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: That's why some professions have needs for legal stuff. We can not really compare a doctor with the usual computer scientist, right? And I said usual, because most of us do not, and will never work, on stuff

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

Le 19.10.2013 04:48, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/18/2013 7:33 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 17:50, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : And, again, just a guess, but I'm guessing the huge percentage of programmers these days are writing .NET code on

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

On 10/21/2013 3:49 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 19.10.2013 04:48, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/18/2013 7:33 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 17:50, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : And, again, just a guess, but I'm guessing the huge

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: the changes are that the stuff that must work best, is NOT being done as open source or with particular transparency. At best, we can hope for serious design reviews and testing - not always the case. Which takes us back to a pretty good case for

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

Le 18.10.2013 19:36, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/18/2013 1:10 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 17:22, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/17/2013 12:42 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 16.10.2013 17:51, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : I only know few people who actually

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

Le 21.10.2013 22:23, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/21/2013 3:49 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 19.10.2013 04:48, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/18/2013 7:33 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 17:50, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : And, again,

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

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Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 07:04:21AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: ...snip.. Try again. States do not differentiate between civil engineers, mechanical engineers, etc. and other engineers. Use of the term Engineer is what is illegal. Check with your state licensing board.

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

On 10/19/2013 3:50 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 07:04:21AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: ...snip.. Try again. States do not differentiate between civil engineers, mechanical engineers, etc. and other engineers. Use of the term Engineer is what is

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

[How about being a bit more proactive with the trimming, guys.] On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 02:19:13PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Take windows, and say honestly that it does not contains applications? explorer, mspaint, calc, msconfig, notepad, etc. Those are applications,

Re: endianness (was Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude))

On 18 Oct 2013, at 05:51, Joe Pfeiffer pfeif...@cs.nmsu.edu wrote: What's wrong with htonl and other similar functions/macroes? They are pretty good when they fit what you want to do, but there are holes: eg convert big endian source to host layout. Note that the glibc implementation uses

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

Le 18.10.2013 04:32, Miles Fidelman a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: So, what you name an OS is only drivers+kernel? If so, then ok. But some people consider that it includes various other tools which does not require hardware accesses. I spoke about graphical applications,

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 04:32, Miles Fidelman a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: So, what you name an OS is only drivers+kernel? If so, then ok. But some people consider that it includes various other tools which does not require hardware accesses.

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

On 10/17/2013 11:37 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 16.10.2013 17:56, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : You're the one who said programmers need to know a lot of details about the hardware being used, not me. The more you need to know about different hardware, the harder it is to write code

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

On 10/17/2013 12:42 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 16.10.2013 17:51, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : I only know few people who actually likes them :) I liked them too, at a time, but since I can now use standard smart pointers in C++, I tend to avoid them. I had so much troubles with

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/17/2013 11:37 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 16.10.2013 17:56, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : You're the one who said programmers need to know a lot of details about the hardware being used, not me. The more you need to know about different hardware, the

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

On 10/17/2013 3:57 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: snip Do you know how the SQL database you're using works? Sure do. Don't you? I know how the interface works. Actually, I do know quite a bit about the internals of how it works. But do you know how it

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

On 10/17/2013 8:31 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 17.10.2013 21:57, Miles Fidelman a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 16.10.2013 17:51, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : I only know few people who actually likes them :) I liked them too, at a time, but since I can now use

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

Le 18.10.2013 16:22, Miles Fidelman a écrit : But now, are most programmers paid by societies with hundreds of programmers? (and whether you actually mean developer vs. programmer) I do not see the difference between those words. Could you give me the nuances please? I still have a lot to

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/17/2013 3:57 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: snip Do you know how the SQL database you're using works? Sure do. Don't you? I know how the interface works. Actually, I do know quite a bit about the internals of how it works.

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

Le 18.10.2013 17:54, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/17/2013 8:31 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 17.10.2013 21:57, Miles Fidelman a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 16.10.2013 17:51, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : I only know few people who actually likes them :) I liked

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

On 10/17/2013 10:32 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: So, what you name an OS is only drivers+kernel? If so, then ok. But some people consider that it includes various other tools which does not require hardware accesses. I spoke about graphical applications,

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

Le 18.10.2013 17:50, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : And, again, just a guess, but I'm guessing the huge percentage of programmers these days are writing .NET code on vanilla Windows machines (not that I like it, but it does seem to be a fact of life). A lot of people also seem to be writing stored

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

On 10/18/2013 12:11 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/17/2013 3:57 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: snip Do you know how the SQL database you're using works? Sure do. Don't you? I know how the interface works. Actually, I do know quite

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

Le 18.10.2013 17:22, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/17/2013 12:42 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 16.10.2013 17:51, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : I only know few people who actually likes them :) I liked them too, at a time, but since I can now use standard smart pointers in C++, I tend

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

On 10/18/2013 1:10 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 17:22, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/17/2013 12:42 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 16.10.2013 17:51, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : I only know few people who actually likes them :) I liked them too, at a time, but

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

On Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:36:13 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 04:32, Miles Fidelman a écrit : I'm pretty sure that C was NOT written to build operating systems - though it's been used for that (notably Unix). I never said I agreed that C was designed to build OS

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/18/2013 11:48 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: In the REAL world, program behavior is very much driven by the properties of underlying hardware. And... when actually packaging code for compilation and/or installation - you need to know a lot about what

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 16:22, Miles Fidelman a écrit : (though it's pretty hard to get hired for anything in the US without a bachelorate in something) I do not think it can be worse than in France. Ok. I wasn't sure about that, though France does seem as

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/17/2013 10:32 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: So, what you name an OS is only drivers+kernel? If so, then ok. But some people consider that it includes various other tools which does not require hardware accesses. I spoke about

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 17:50, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : And, again, just a guess, but I'm guessing the huge percentage of programmers these days are writing .NET code on vanilla Windows machines (not that I like it, but it does seem to be a fact of life). A lot of

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

On 10/18/2013 6:11 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/18/2013 11:48 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: In the REAL world, program behavior is very much driven by the properties of underlying hardware. And... when actually packaging code for compilation and/or

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

On 10/18/2013 7:24 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: snip I'd simply make the observation that most SQL queries are generated on the fly, by code - so the notion of building SQL requests to experts is a non-starter. Someone has to write the code that in turn generates SQL

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

On 10/18/2013 7:33 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 17:50, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : And, again, just a guess, but I'm guessing the huge percentage of programmers these days are writing .NET code on vanilla Windows machines (not that I like it, but it

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/18/2013 6:11 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/18/2013 11:48 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: In the REAL world, program behavior is very much driven by the properties of underlying hardware. And... when actually packaging code for

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/18/2013 7:24 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: snip I'd simply make the observation that most SQL queries are generated on the fly, by code - so the notion of building SQL requests to experts is a non-starter. Someone has to write the code that in

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/18/2013 7:33 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 17:50, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : And, again, just a guess, but I'm guessing the huge percentage of programmers these days are writing .NET code on vanilla Windows machines (not

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

On 10/18/2013 11:00 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/18/2013 6:11 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/18/2013 11:48 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: In the REAL world, program behavior is very much driven by the properties of underlying

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

On 10/18/2013 11:02 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/18/2013 7:24 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: snip I'd simply make the observation that most SQL queries are generated on the fly, by code - so the notion of building SQL requests to experts is a

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/18/2013 11:00 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/18/2013 6:11 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/18/2013 11:48 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: In the REAL world, program behavior is very much driven by the

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

Le 16.10.2013 16:42, Miles Fidelman a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 16.10.2013 13:04, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : Anybody who thinks that being able to write code (be it Java, C, or .NET crap), without knowing a lot about the environment their code is going to run in, much

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

Le 16.10.2013 17:56, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : You're the one who said programmers need to know a lot of details about the hardware being used, not me. The more you need to know about different hardware, the harder it is to write code to fit all of that hardware. I did not said a lot but

endianness (was Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude))

On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 05:29:33PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Speaking about endianness, it really is hard to manage: void myfunction( ... ) { #ifdef BIG_ENDIAN move_bytes_in_a_specific_order #else move_bytes_in_the_other_specific_order #endif } Bad way to manage

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

Le 16.10.2013 17:51, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : I only know few people who actually likes them :) I liked them too, at a time, but since I can now use standard smart pointers in C++, I tend to avoid them. I had so much troubles with them, so now I only use them for polymorphism and sometimes

Re: endianness (was Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude))

Le 17.10.2013 18:17, Jonathan Dowland a écrit : On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 05:29:33PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Speaking about endianness, it really is hard to manage: void myfunction( ... ) { #ifdef BIG_ENDIAN move_bytes_in_a_specific_order #else

Re: endianness (was Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude))

On 17 Oct 2013, at 17:47, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: I do not understand why? In both cases with decent compilers it is solved at compile-time, so what is the problem with preprocessor here? In case BIG_ENDIAN is not defined but should be? For the reason I wrote: otherwise

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 16.10.2013 17:51, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : I only know few people who actually likes them :) I liked them too, at a time, but since I can now use standard smart pointers in C++, I tend to avoid them. I had so much troubles with them, so now I only use

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

Le 17.10.2013 21:57, Miles Fidelman a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 16.10.2013 17:51, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : I only know few people who actually likes them :) I liked them too, at a time, but since I can now use standard smart pointers in C++, I tend to avoid them. I had

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: So, what you name an OS is only drivers+kernel? If so, then ok. But some people consider that it includes various other tools which does not require hardware accesses. I spoke about graphical applications, and you disagree. Matter of opinion, or maybe

Re: endianness (was Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude))

Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org writes: On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 05:29:33PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Speaking about endianness, it really is hard to manage: void myfunction( ... ) { #ifdef BIG_ENDIAN move_bytes_in_a_specific_order #else

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 01:10:42AM CEST, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org said: Le 15.10.2013 19:32, Chris Bannister a écrit : On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 03:43:21PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: I know I wont teach that to anyone here, but modems are not computing stuff, at all.

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

On 10/16/2013 12:16 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: Or do you just turn it on and watch your favorite show? Kinda helps to know how to wire together all the various pieces that go with a TV these days- cable connection snip Of course you can call up the local Best Buy

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

On 10/15/2013 11:37 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/15/2013 6:50 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/15/2013 2:26 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Geeze Jerry, you're just so wrong, on so many things. What's a coder? In over 40 years of programming,

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: Which is also why Universities require about 3/4 of the course hours be outside of your major. Huh!!?? I think you may be referring to distribution requirements and you might mean 1/4 of your course hours. It's a

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 01:46:48PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: Chris Bannister wrote: On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 03:43:21PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: I know I wont teach that to anyone here, but modems are not computing stuff, at all. They are simply here to transform numeric

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

Le 16.10.2013 03:25, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : Ah, but you are more than a simple user. I guess so. I am not even a TV user anymore in fact, but that's not the question. The point is that I can hardly consider a programmer to be a simple user of a computer, because when you write a program,

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

Le 16.10.2013 08:24, Erwan David a écrit : On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 01:10:42AM CEST, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org said: Le 15.10.2013 19:32, Chris Bannister a écrit : On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 03:43:21PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: I know I wont teach that to anyone here, but

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

Le 16.10.2013 13:04, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : Anybody who thinks that being able to write code (be it Java, C, or .NET crap), without knowing a lot about the environment their code is going to run in, much less general analytic and design skills, is going to have a very short-lived career.

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