Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?

2012-06-16 Thread Mika Suomalainen
On 15.06.2012 22:09, Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 05:55:07PM +0100, keith wrote: On Sat, 2012-06-16 at 03:55 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: Mmmm, surely it is faster to read something than to listen to someone reading it aloud? Perhaps not if you're blind I

Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?

2012-06-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
I doubt a blind person would be asking for printed books on Debian. Blind person could ask books for Debian if they are written with Braille, but they might be more rare than normal books about Debian. My English is broken, but perhaps the term printed isn't valid for braille. I suspect

Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?

2012-06-16 Thread Lisi
On Wednesday 13 June 2012 16:01:26 Karen Lewellen wrote: For example while I found a debian for beginners e-book from the free technology academy, In Europe I think as the license references the European Union, the zip format seemed unusual. There's a Linux for beginners, which makes use of

Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?

2012-06-16 Thread Christofer C. Bell
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 4:19 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: I doubt a blind person would be asking for printed books on Debian. Blind person could ask books for Debian if they are written with Braille, but they might be more rare than normal books about Debian. My

Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?

2012-06-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2012-06-14 at 18:55 -0400, Tony Baldwin wrote: The Advanced Bash Scripting Guide is quite thorough: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ There also is a beginners guide. On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 19:29 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/

Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?

2012-06-15 Thread Veljko
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 08:49:15AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-06-14 at 18:55 -0400, Tony Baldwin wrote: The Advanced Bash Scripting Guide is quite thorough: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ There also is a beginners guide. On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 19:29 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?

2012-06-15 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 06:43:28PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: Agreed there are many reasons for speech computing, as unique and individual as those who so choose...I imagine even a few who just want to work faster, since the human brain can process verbally with greater speed than visually.

101% OT: books on debian of a beginner nature?

2012-06-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2012-06-16 at 03:55 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: Mmmm, surely it is faster to read something than to listen to someone reading it aloud? Humans aren't equal. Even healthy ears differ a little bit. My better ear is the left ear, but to understand the contend of a spoken text, e.g. at

Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?

2012-06-15 Thread keith
On Sat, 2012-06-16 at 03:55 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: Mmmm, surely it is faster to read something than to listen to someone reading it aloud? Perhaps not if you're blind -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?

2012-06-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2012-06-15 at 17:55 +0100, keith wrote: On Sat, 2012-06-16 at 03:55 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: Mmmm, surely it is faster to read something than to listen to someone reading it aloud? Perhaps not if you're blind Braille reading? Blind people have issues to type and to read

Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?

2012-06-15 Thread keith
On Fri, 2012-06-15 at 19:55 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2012-06-15 at 17:55 +0100, keith wrote: On Sat, 2012-06-16 at 03:55 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: Mmmm, surely it is faster to read something than to listen to someone reading it aloud? Perhaps not if you're blind

Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?

2012-06-15 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 05:55:07PM +0100, keith wrote: On Sat, 2012-06-16 at 03:55 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: Mmmm, surely it is faster to read something than to listen to someone reading it aloud? Perhaps not if you're blind I doubt a blind person would be asking for printed

Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?

2012-06-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2012-06-15 at 19:32 +0100, keith wrote: On Fri, 2012-06-15 at 19:55 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2012-06-15 at 17:55 +0100, keith wrote: On Sat, 2012-06-16 at 03:55 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: Mmmm, surely it is faster to read something than to listen to someone

RE: books on debian of a beginner nature?

2012-06-14 Thread Nathan D'elboux
. this was the best i found. Pretty handy for me to hand as a reference. Includes installs through to configuring required services. Cheers, Nathan Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 07:18:57 +0200 From: a...@c2i.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: books on debian of a beginner nature

Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?

2012-06-14 Thread Alberto Fuentes
On 06/13/2012 05:01 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Hi folks, Yes I know about the Linux Documentation project, and that there are howtos that are a part of the system itself, and on line. these are not the sort of books I mean however. I am thinking of external ones, I have a scanner, books with

Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?

2012-06-14 Thread Tony Baldwin
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 06:06:37PM +0300, Lars Noodén wrote: Well, one out there is the Debian Administrator's Handbook publicly available: http://debian-handbook.info/ That covers things at an intro level. I had the privilege and pleasure of working on the translation of this book,

Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?

2012-06-14 Thread Tony Baldwin
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 05:21:27PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I don't know this, but it seems to be ok, so I bookmarked it sometime ago, when it was announced on this list http://debian-handbook.info/ . And I don't have the time to search for it now, but there are two brilliant ebooks for

Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?

2012-06-14 Thread Tony Baldwin
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 07:22:25PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Ponyland? On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 18:02 +0100, keith wrote: Midnight Commander (MC) is your friend for file management editing. Are you serious? Why not? MC is awesome. .mp3 For musicians MP3 crap? Indeed. .flac or

books on debian of a beginner nature?

2012-06-13 Thread Karen Lewellen
Hi folks, Yes I know about the Linux Documentation project, and that there are howtos that are a part of the system itself, and on line.these are not the sort of books I mean however. I am thinking of external ones, I have a scanner, books with pages smiles. I just searched my local

Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?

2012-06-13 Thread Lars Noodén
Well, one out there is the Debian Administrator's Handbook publicly available: http://debian-handbook.info/ That covers things at an intro level. Regards /Lars -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?

2012-06-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
I don't know this, but it seems to be ok, so I bookmarked it sometime ago, when it was announced on this list http://debian-handbook.info/ . And I don't have the time to search for it now, but there are two brilliant ebooks for bash on English. I still know who recommended those books and will

Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?

2012-06-13 Thread keith
[QUOTE]I am thinking of external ones, I have a scanner, books with pages smiles. I just searched my local library for example, and found a debian bible 3 x circle 2005...too dated? Other authors / titles I might find?[/QUOTE] The Debian Administrators Handbook The Debian System How Linux Works

Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?

2012-06-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Ponyland? On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 18:02 +0100, keith wrote: Midnight Commander (MC) is your friend for file management editing. Are you serious? .mp3 For musicians MP3 crap? Mutt is the usual email program, or (e)pine. Usual MUA for whom? I won't recommend anything else, even while I'm

Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?

2012-06-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Thank you Gustin (Bcc) :) Forwarded Message From: Gustin [...] To: Ralf Mardorf Subject: Re: ebooks Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:19:21 -0600 Not Debian specific at all. Anyone writing scripts is likely to already know about these. http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/

Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?

2012-06-13 Thread keith
On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 19:22 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Ponyland? On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 18:02 +0100, keith wrote: Midnight Commander (MC) is your friend for file management editing. Are you serious? .mp3 For musicians MP3 crap? Mutt is the usual email program, or (e)pine.

Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?

2012-06-13 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:01:26 -0400 (EDT), Karen wrote in message pine.bsf.4.64.1206131047400.36...@server1.shellworld.net: ..newbie-doc online: http://developer.berlios.de/projects/newbiedoc/ ..newbie-doc deep in the woods:

Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?

2012-06-13 Thread Joe
On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:22:25 +0200 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 18:02 +0100, keith wrote: Midnight Commander (MC) is your friend for file management editing. Are you serious? Why not? I use it on (GUI-less) servers and also when I need a file

Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?

2012-06-13 Thread Karen Lewellen
ahem, I think I said, but it may have been lost in the mayhem of ideas. 1. I seek a single book, one that can either be read in the standard fashion, it has pages, or b, exists as a single file that can be read entirely off line...think of say a word processor like wordperfect, or a plain

Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?

2012-06-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 22:27 +0100, Joe wrote: Why not? I use it on (GUI-less) servers and also when I need a file manager/editor working as root on my GUI workstation. Admin work rarely needs a heavyweight editor, and it's easier to avoid mistakes if I associate the sparse mc screen with root

Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?

2012-06-13 Thread Karen Lewellen
will speak to what of this I can. On Wed, 13 Jun 2012, Joe wrote: .mp3 For musicians MP3 crap? We are aware you have serious musical needs, but most of us don't. For background listening while working, just about any player will do. You need to be paying close attention to music, with

Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?

2012-06-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 18:43 -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: Personally? I think I am allergic to poor mp3 quality! I am a professional, and I will avoid mp3s whenever possible. they exist for moving files in my book not as a substitution for real sound. When I file for national or

Re: books on debian of a beginner nature?

2012-06-13 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:32:54 -0400 (EDT), Karen wrote in message pine.bsf.4.64.1206131724530.50...@server1.shellworld.net: ahem, I think I said, but it may have been lost in the mayhem of ideas. 1. I seek a single book, one that can either be read in the standard fashion, it has pages, or