No. It needs an MTA. Install Esmtp, Nullmailer, or similar.
Back to square one i guess. From the man page, as far as i can tell,
all at does is run commands at specified times... kinda like cron...
why does it need an MTA?
You don't need at, just remove it.
Stefan
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2009/4/14 Douglas A. Tutty dtu...@vianet.ca:
Unix without an MTA???
You're completely right, Unix is nothing without an MTA! Even
Gameservers are or watching videos is worse without one...ER
What about a centralized syslog-server which then sends the mail? What
about gameservers with MTA or
2009/4/14 Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca:
2009/4/14 Randy Kramer rhkra...@gmail.com:
Why would somebody need an MTA for a (normal) desktop?
Why should every user specify an outgoing SMTP server?
Why should every MUA implement the functionality of an MTA?
Do you understand the
Ben writes:
Additionally, most Debian users are NOT setting up their exim so an MTA
is installed but cannot be used.
It gets used every time a process calls /usr/bin/mail or
/usr/sbin/sendmail.
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Ben writes:
Additionally, most Debian users are NOT setting up their exim so an MTA
is installed but cannot be used.
It gets used every time a process calls /usr/bin/mail or
/usr/sbin/sendmail.
yes but without configuration it cannot send mails,
Why would somebody need an MTA for a (normal) desktop?
Why should every user specify an outgoing SMTP server?
Why should every MUA implement the functionality of an MTA?
Do you understand the difference between server and client?
;-)
Placing a mail into the queue of an MTA is NOT the
As mentioned in this thread, I don't understand your problem: I just
removed my MTA and aptitude was quite happy to do so. So what tool is
it that forces you (or makes you feel forced) to install an MTA?
# apt-get -s remove exim4-daemon-light
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency
# apt-get -s remove exim4-daemon-light
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
at bsd-mailx exim4 exim4-daemon-light gutenprint lsb lsb-core lsb-cxx
lsb-desktop lsb-graphics mailx
Which of those do
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 04:26:57PM +0200, Dirk wrote:
Install nullmailer, I'm pretty sure that's what you're looking for.
i thought so too.. but it doesn't seem to do what it name implies...
it's config kept asking where to redirect the mails too... and
/dev/null wasn't an option :(
it
Which of those do you need?
Report a bug against them.
Well.. i do need gutenprint if i'm going to use some printers. I'd
assume 'at' and 'lsb' are required by the system; at least i've seen
'at' mentioned a lot.
It seems as though gutenprint depends on lsb and lsb-core depends on a
Nuno writes:
Well.. i do need gutenprint if i'm going to use some printers. I'd assume
'at' and 'lsb' are required by the system; at least i've seen 'at'
mentioned a lot.
'at' is priority standard. While it would be surprising to find it missing
from a Unix system it is not required. 'lsb'
There is no package named gutenprint. Which package are you referring to?
Not in the Debian repos apparently. I got it for my Epson; converted
from a rpm package by alien. You'll find some related packages[1] in
the repos though.
dpkg -l |grep gutenprint
ii foomatic-db-gutenprint
I wrote:
There is no package named gutenprint. Which package are you referring to?
Nuno writes:
Not in the Debian repos apparently.
Well, then.
However, to get back on topic, 'at' still depends on an MTA. Should i
file a bug against at?
No. It needs an MTA. Install Esmtp, Nullmailer, or
No. It needs an MTA. Install Esmtp, Nullmailer, or similar.
Back to square one i guess. From the man page, as far as i can tell,
all at does is run commands at specified times... kinda like cron...
why does it need an MTA?
I continue to find it amazing, though, that people who cheerfully put
Nuno writes:
From the man page, as far as i can tell, all at does is run commands at
specified times... kinda like cron... why does it need an MTA?
From the man page:
The user will be mailed standard error and standard output from his
commands, if any. Mail will be sent using
Hi,
It seems as though most people on the list are incapable of answering
a simple technical question if it messes with their belief system.
Instead, they go on questioning the OPs motivations. It's rather
annoying.
I've asked the same question a while ago. I have a simple one-user
desktop, i do
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 09:59:52AM +0100, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
Hi,
It seems as though most people on the list are incapable of answering
a simple technical question if it messes with their belief system.
Instead, they go on questioning the OPs motivations. It's rather
annoying.
You asked
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 12:28, Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il wrote:
You asked a quiestion that was not clear. It took a while to understand
that you wanted a package to satisfy the mail-transfer-agent dependency.
I'm not the OP, i just posted the same question a while ago. You sumed
it
Nuno writes:
The few bugs i've reported were on their application's sites.
Then you've never reported a bug to Debian.
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On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 02:18:57PM +0100, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
All those are mail applications, i don't want them. :)
Unlike exim, ssmtp does not run as a server. Or does not maintain a
spool.
BTW: is it possible to configure exim (or sendmail) not to run as
daemons? Assuming you don't want
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 03:08:41PM +0200, Dirk wrote:
Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:26:17AM +0200, Dirk wrote:
nah.. instead of configuring a package i don't want to install in the
first place i just run a cronjob that de-installs the MTA every 30
minutes using
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 11:28:26AM +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 09:59:52AM +0100, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
MTAs, afaik, are useful for multiuser systems and/or systems that
actually handle mail. (Most (i should say 'most' otherwise some
nitpick will say But i do!))
On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:15:42 -0400
Michael Pobega pob...@fuzzydev.org wrote:
I actually have a question about this; I've always used reportbug with
the -M flag, which relays the mail through Mutt. What is the *proper*
way to set up exim4 so that reportbug will work without any errors?
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 07:34:29PM +, Tzafrir Cohen (tzaf...@cohens.org.il)
wrote:
BTW: is it possible to configure exim (or sendmail) not to run as
daemons?
Don't know about exim but for sendmail it is perfectly possible,
well-supported and indeed easy. Whether that is a useful
I've asked the same question a while ago. I have a simple one-user
desktop, i do not need an MTA. I know those programs don't need much
memory (i have 4GB), i know they're sleeping most of the time, i know
they'll only wake up if there's something to do. But i don't want an
MTA. It's that
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:53:01AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
I've asked the same question a while ago. I have a simple one-user
desktop, i do not need an MTA. I know those programs don't need much
memory (i have 4GB), i know they're sleeping most of the time, i know
they'll only wake up
(see subject)
i don't want an MTA running on a system... but many programs require it
as dependency to spam me with their stuff (which should belong into just
a log file (IMO))...
Dirk
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On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:26:17AM +0200, Dirk wrote:
(see subject)
i don't want an MTA running on a system... but many programs require it
as dependency to spam me with their stuff (which should belong into just
a log file (IMO))...
Unix without an MTA???
Why not install exim, then look
Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:26:17AM +0200, Dirk wrote:
(see subject)
i don't want an MTA running on a system... but many programs require it
as dependency to spam me with their stuff (which should belong into just
a log file (IMO))...
Unix without an MTA???
Why not
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 08:28:08AM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:26:17AM +0200, Dirk wrote:
(see subject)
i don't want an MTA running on a system... but many programs require it
as dependency to spam me with their stuff (which should belong into just
a log
On Tuesday 14 April 2009 09:08:41 am Dirk wrote:
Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
Unix without an MTA???
To me, that's a wonderful idea--in fact, that's the way I ran my
Mandriva2006 system for the last 3 years. I just used kmail like a
Windows mail client, receiving mail (directly (from my ISP))
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:26:17AM +0200, Dirk wrote:
(see subject)
i don't want an MTA running on a system... but many programs require it
as dependency to spam me with their stuff (which should belong into just
a log file (IMO))...
Dirk
Install nullmailer, I'm pretty sure that's
On 2009-04-14 15:33 +0200, Randy Kramer wrote:
On Tuesday 14 April 2009 09:08:41 am Dirk wrote:
Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
Unix without an MTA???
To me, that's a wonderful idea--in fact, that's the way I ran my
Mandriva2006 system for the last 3 years. I just used kmail like a
Windows
Martin Kraus wrote:
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 08:28:08AM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:26:17AM +0200, Dirk wrote:
(see subject)
i don't want an MTA running on a system... but many programs require it
as dependency to spam me with their stuff (which should belong
Michael Pobega wrote:
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:26:17AM +0200, Dirk wrote:
(see subject)
i don't want an MTA running on a system... but many programs require it
as dependency to spam me with their stuff (which should belong into just
a log file (IMO))...
Dirk
Install nullmailer, I'm
On Tuesday 14 April 2009 10:13:58 am Sven Joachim wrote:
On 2009-04-14 15:33 +0200, Randy Kramer wrote:
I did find a way to put a soft linked file in my local kmail
folders so I could get email sent to the administrator--this was
something like a hard link to the normal location of root's
Why would somebody need an MTA for a (normal) desktop?
Why should every user specify an outgoing SMTP server?
Why should every MUA implement the functionality of an MTA?
Stefan
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On Tuesday 14 April 2009 10:48:17 am Stefan Monnier wrote:
Why would somebody need an MTA for a (normal) desktop?
Why should every user specify an outgoing SMTP server?
Why should every MUA implement the functionality of an MTA?
I'm still procrastinating on my taxes, so I'll respond ;-)
*
i don't want an MTA running on a system... but many programs require it as
dependency to spam me with their stuff (which should belong into just a log
file (IMO))...
What are those many programs? On my Debian desktop, I happen to like
to have an MTA running (exclusively for outgoing email),
Dirk wrote:
nah.. instead of configuring a package i don't want to install in the
first place i just run a cronjob that de-installs the MTA every 30
minutes using
dpkg --force-all --purge exim4
..so i can run updates and the cronjob makes sure it turns out the way i
want it..
Since
On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:11:59 -0400
Randy Kramer rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
...
* I'm fairly certain that the functionality of an MTA is
significantly more than just receiving mail via POP3 and sending it via
SMTP.
IIUC, MTAs don't generally do POP3; that's an MRA's job.
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:11:59AM -0400, Randy Kramer wrote:
On Tuesday 14 April 2009 10:48:17 am Stefan Monnier wrote:
Why would somebody need an MTA for a (normal) desktop?
Why should every user specify an outgoing SMTP server?
Why should every MUA implement the functionality of an MTA?
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On Tuesday 14 April 2009 10:48:17 am Stefan Monnier wrote:
Why would somebody need an MTA for a (normal) desktop?
Why should every user specify an outgoing SMTP server?
Why should every MUA implement the functionality of an MTA?
Why fight it? A
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 04:22:01PM +0200, Dirk wrote:
Martin Kraus wrote:
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 08:28:08AM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:26:17AM +0200, Dirk wrote:
(see subject)
i don't want an MTA running on a system... but many programs
require it as
On Tuesday 14 April 2009 12:33:48 pm Celejar wrote:
Randy Kramer rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
* I'm fairly certain that the functionality of an MTA is
significantly more than just receiving mail via POP3 and sending it
via SMTP.
IIUC, MTAs don't generally do POP3; that's an MRA's job.
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:26:17AM +0200, Dirk wrote:
(see subject)
i don't want an MTA running on a system... but many programs require it
as dependency to spam me with their stuff (which should belong into just
a log file (IMO))...
ssmtp
But anyway, what's your issue with an MTA? Is
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