Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 11:54:49 +0200 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Ma, 09 mar 21, 13:35:18, Joe wrote: > > > > As an anecdote, I recall a BT service/router which literally would > > not work if it detected another NAT on the LAN. It was in a client's > > network, and I had to reconfigure things to

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Ma, 09 mar 21, 13:35:18, Joe wrote: > > As an anecdote, I recall a BT service/router which literally would not > work if it detected another NAT on the LAN. It was in a client's > network, and I had to reconfigure things to work without the Debian > server acting as a firewall. If it had been

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Ma, 09 mar 21, 12:43:51, Dan Ritter wrote: > > Right now, it appears to be a choice between HP and Dell unless > you want one of the laptop-class APUs (some of which are quite > nice) in which case Asus and Acer have some systems. I'm looking into building my own custom system. A

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 3/9/21 6:50 PM, David Christensen wrote: On 3/9/21 3:15 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 1:12 PM David Christensen wrote: On 3/7/21 7:09 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 5:25 PM David Christensen < What model mac? It's a mac pro. When posting on a technical

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 3/9/21 4:25 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 3:50 PM David Christensen wrote: On 3/9/21 3:15 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 1:12 PM David Christensen wrote: On 3/7/21 7:09 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 5:25 PM David Christensen < What model mac?

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 3:50 PM David Christensen wrote: > On 3/9/21 3:15 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 1:12 PM David Christensen wrote: > >> On 3/7/21 7:09 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: > >>> On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 5:25 PM David Christensen < > > What model mac? > > >>> It's a mac

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 3/9/21 3:15 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 1:12 PM David Christensen wrote: On 3/7/21 7:09 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 5:25 PM David Christensen < What model mac? It's a mac pro. When posting on a technical mailing list, please include the relevant

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 1:12 PM David Christensen wrote: > On 3/7/21 7:09 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 5:25 PM David Christensen < > dpchr...@holgerdanske.com> > > wrote: > > > >> On 3/7/21 4:45 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: > >>> On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 4:27 PM David Christensen < > >>

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Tue 09 Mar 2021 at 11:59:35 (-0500), Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 09 March 2021 08:12:47 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Tuesday, March 09, 2021 12:12:40 AM Felix Miata wrote: > > > David Wright composed on 2021-03-08 22:37 (UTC-0600): > > > > I realise that, but if your service were to

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Ma, 09 mar 21, 09:54:22, Dan Ritter wrote: > > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > There's something curious about that, especially considering that the > PRO version (4350GE) is *not* OEM only!? I don't think that's the case. > It's almost like they confused the PRO with the

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Tuesday 09 March 2021 08:12:47 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Tuesday, March 09, 2021 12:12:40 AM Felix Miata wrote: > > David Wright composed on 2021-03-08 22:37 (UTC-0600): > > > I realise that, but if your service were to become unsatisfactory, > > > then before you complained, you'd want

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Ma, 09 mar 21, 09:54:22, Dan Ritter wrote: > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Du, 07 mar 21, 13:56:03, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > >> Another important consideration is memory -- non-ECC vs. ECC. Desktop > > > > The motherboard needs support for it as well, e.g. I'm eying the ASRock > > B550M

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

> I realise that, but if your service were to become unsatisfactory, > then before you complained, you'd want to check that it's not your > modem at fault. Would you expect your spare modem to work, because it > has a different MAC from what's expected by the ISP's end of the line. You should be

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Du, 07 mar 21, 13:56:03, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > >> Another important consideration is memory -- non-ECC vs. ECC. Desktop > > The motherboard needs support for it as well, e.g. I'm eying the ASRock > B550M Steel Legend for a fan-less build (unfortunately the Ryzen

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Tue, 9 Mar 2021 08:12:47 -0500 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Tuesday, March 09, 2021 12:12:40 AM Felix Miata wrote: > > David Wright composed on 2021-03-08 22:37 (UTC-0600): > > > I realise that, but if your service were to become unsatisfactory, > > > then before you complained, you'd want

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Tuesday, March 09, 2021 12:12:40 AM Felix Miata wrote: > David Wright composed on 2021-03-08 22:37 (UTC-0600): > > I realise that, but if your service were to become unsatisfactory, > > then before you complained, you'd want to check that it's not your > > modem at fault. Would you expect your

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Du, 07 mar 21, 16:36:34, Dan Hitt wrote: > On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 4:25 PM IL Ka wrote: > > > > >> The reason for the two networks is that my modem-router is electrically > >> incompatible with one of my computers. > >> > > hmm, I never heard about such things) > > Is your electrical grounding

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Du, 07 mar 21, 13:56:03, Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> Another important consideration is memory -- non-ECC vs. ECC. Desktop > >> stuff has the former, workstation and server stuff done right has the > >> latter. STFW "memory error", "bit rot" and related. I prefer computers > >> with ECC

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Mon, 2021-03-08 at 21:16 +0100, Linux-Fan wrote: > Tixy writes: > > > On Mon, 2021-03-08 at 05:36 -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > > > On 2021-03-07 at 22:53, Felix Miata wrote: > > > > > > > Linux-Fan composed on 2021-03-08 03:35 (UTC+0100): > > > > > > > > > Wrt. power I usually start from CPU

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

David Wright composed on 2021-03-08 22:37 (UTC-0600): > On Sun 07 Mar 2021 at 21:37:37 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote: >> Having != connected. The extras are spares. :) > I realise that, but if your service were to become unsatisfactory, > then before you complained, you'd want to check that it's

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Sun 07 Mar 2021 at 21:37:37 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote: > David Wright composed on 2021-03-07 20:01 (UTC-0600): > > On Sun 07 Mar 2021 at 20:39:12 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote: > > >> At retail level, modem-routers seem to be rather uncommon. OTOH, owning > >> your own > >> modem and router can

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 3/8/21 5:28 AM, songbird wrote: aren't there gizmos that measure the watts being drawn by clipping them around the plug that goes into the wall? AC and DC voltage and current can be measured with general-purpose electronic test equipment and custom jigs/ cables:

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 3/8/21 11:39 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: David Christensen wrote: I built homebrew desktops using Antec tower cases and Intel desktop boards for many years. The last was based on a Sonata chassis with an included 500 W PSU. It's very easy to add/ remove drives and has low noise features -- the

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

David Christensen composed on 2021-03-08 13:11 (UTC-0800): >>> What model mac? >> It's a mac pro. > Marketing terms are for separating the rubes from their dollars: > "it is a mac" > "It's a mac pro" > When posting on a technical mailing list, please include the relevant > engineering

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 3/7/21 7:09 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 5:25 PM David Christensen wrote: On 3/7/21 4:45 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 4:27 PM David Christensen < dpchr...@holgerdanske.com> wrote: On 3/7/21 4:02 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: The reason for the two networks is that

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

Tixy writes: On Mon, 2021-03-08 at 05:36 -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2021-03-07 at 22:53, Felix Miata wrote: > > > Linux-Fan composed on 2021-03-08 03:35 (UTC+0100): > > > > > Wrt. power I usually start from CPU + GPU > > > > I used an online calculator > >

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

David Christensen wrote: > I built homebrew desktops using Antec tower cases and Intel desktop boards > for many years. The last was based on a Sonata chassis with an included 500 > W PSU. It's very easy to add/ remove drives and has low noise features -- > the four internal 3.5" drive bays

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Mon, 2021-03-08 at 05:36 -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2021-03-07 at 22:53, Felix Miata wrote: > > > Linux-Fan composed on 2021-03-08 03:35 (UTC+0100): > > > > > Wrt. power I usually start from CPU + GPU > > > > I

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

Felix Miata writes: > Also ip a. Someday you may no longer have arp: > Well, it's been about a decade since that was written but not much has changed. One issue is, ifconfig shows only one

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 5:06 AM Richard Owlett wrote: > On 03/07/2021 12:48 AM, Kenneth Parker wrote: > >[snip] > > I was dragged, "kicking and screaming" to UEFI booting. But, now that > > I'm here, it's "sort of" grown on me. > > > > What helped me, a lot, is a package called Refind. It's

RE: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

Hi, > On 3/7/21 7:24 PM, IL Ka wrote: >> The reason for the two networks is that my modem-router is >> electrically incompatible with one of my computers. >> >> hmm, I never heard about such things) I have. [] >> You can connect your modem-router to the ethernet switch, and connect

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 3/8/21 5:28 AM, songbird wrote: The Wanderer wrote: ... Finding actual power consumption of a motherboard is apparently brutal.= Specs in the manuals to mine say nothing about power consumption. DDG & Google i= n 20+ minutes weren't helpful either. I've encountered the exact same

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

The Wanderer wrote: ... >> Finding actual power consumption of a motherboard is apparently brutal.= > Specs in >> the manuals to mine say nothing about power consumption. DDG & Google i= > n 20+ >> minutes weren't helpful either. > > I've encountered the exact same problem... aren't there

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

The Wanderer wrote: > Any power-related advice for SSDs? > > In the system I'm planning to build, I'm expecting to have something > along the lines of two M.2 SSDs (RAID-1), presumably in the NVMe 2280 > form factor you specify, and eight or more SATA SSDs in a 2.5" form > factor (RAID-6), along

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

> > > In my case it was some OLD device, 10+ years old that never heard of a > Gigabit interface and actually would even work on a 10Mbit port. This > device will connect correctly on an older gigabit switch but NOT on a more > modern Gigabit switch. :-( Ethernet ports should negotiate speed,

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

The Wanderer writes: On 2021-03-07 at 21:35, Linux-Fan wrote: > Btw. wrt. the thread's main topic: I saw many disks being discussed. That was in a separate message, so a separate reply would have been appropriate (to preserve threading by sub-topic), but yes. Yes, sorry for that. I

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 2021-03-07 at 22:53, Felix Miata wrote: > Linux-Fan composed on 2021-03-08 03:35 (UTC+0100): > >> Wrt. power I usually start from CPU + GPU > > I used an online calculator > https://www.bequiet.com/en/psucalculator

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 2021-03-07 at 21:35, Linux-Fan wrote: > Btw. wrt. the thread's main topic: I saw many disks being discussed. That was in a separate message, so a separate reply would have been appropriate (to preserve threading by sub-topic), but yes. > The Wanderer wrote: > >> Any power-related advice for

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 2021-03-07 at 21:35, Linux-Fan wrote: > Btw. wrt. the thread's main topic: I saw many disks being discussed. That was in a separate message, so a separate reply would have been appropriate (to preserve threading by sub-topic), but yes. > The Wanderer wrote: > >> Any power-related advice for

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 3/7/21 7:24 PM, IL Ka wrote: The reason for the two networks is that my modem-router is electrically incompatible with one of my computers. hmm, I never heard about such things) Is your electrical grounding configured correctly? In my country some old apartments do not have

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

Linux-Fan composed on 2021-03-08 03:35 (UTC+0100): > Wrt. power I usually start from CPU + GPU I used an online calculator https://www.bequiet.com/en/psucalculator on this system with i3-7100T (TDP 35W) supports up

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 5:25 PM David Christensen wrote: > On 3/7/21 4:45 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 4:27 PM David Christensen < > dpchr...@holgerdanske.com> > > wrote: > > > >> On 3/7/21 4:02 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: > > >>> The reason for the two networks is that my modem-router

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

David Wright composed on 2021-03-07 20:01 (UTC-0600): > On Sun 07 Mar 2021 at 20:39:12 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote: >> At retail level, modem-routers seem to be rather uncommon. OTOH, owning your >> own >> modem and router can produce an ISP savings that will pay for a modem and/or >> router in

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

David Wright writes: On Sun 07 Mar 2021 at 19:33:42 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote: > The Wanderer composed on 2021-03-07 19:16 (UTC-0500): > > On 2021-03-07 at 19:04, David Christensen wrote: [...] > > Isn't progress fun? > > Same kind as when Intel stopped providing PS/2 ports on its

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Sun 07 Mar 2021 at 20:39:12 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote: > At retail level, modem-routers seem to be rather uncommon. OTOH, owning your > own > modem and router can produce an ISP savings that will pay for a modem and/or > router in as little as 6-12 months by buying quality "refurbs". I have

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Sun 07 Mar 2021 at 19:33:42 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote: > The Wanderer composed on 2021-03-07 19:16 (UTC-0500): > > On 2021-03-07 at 19:04, David Christensen wrote: > > >> I can see how GPT labels would be useful for system drives, but I use > >> BIOS/MBR because it is the lowest common

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

Dan Hitt composed on 2021-03-07 16:33 (UTC-0800): > Felix Miata wrote: > So there seems to be some incompatibility between the old mac and > the router-modem. Both however are black boxes and i am constrained from > just wiping the mac and installing debian on it, to see if this is just a >

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

> > > Also ip a. Someday you may no longer have arp: > < > https://dougvitale.wordpress.com/2011/12/21/deprecated-linux-networking-commands-and-their-replacements/ > > > Yes, "$ ip neighbor" (or "ip n" for short) is the correct syntax on modern Linux. Thanks.

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

Dan Hitt composed on 2021-03-07 17:01 (UTC-0800): > IL Ka wrote: >>> [Although, i guess i do not know the mac addr of the modem-router --- is >>> there a user-level move i can make on my debian box to see what the mac >>> addr of my modem-router is? >> $ ping [your_rounter_ip] >> $ arp -a >>

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 3/7/21 4:45 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 4:27 PM David Christensen wrote: On 3/7/21 4:02 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: The reason for the two networks is that my modem-router is electrically incompatible with one of my computers. That computer freezes or otherwise misbehaves when

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

The Wanderer composed on 2021-03-07 18:00 (UTC-0500): > On 2021-03-07 at 17:48, Felix Miata wrote: >> Don't settle for a motherboard that lacks any M.2 ports that support >> NVME 2280 form factor storage. Prefer more than one on any board >> bigger than ITX. I've see reports of <3 second cold

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 4:58 PM IL Ka wrote: > >> >> [Although, i guess i do not know the mac addr of the modem-router --- is >> there a user-level move i can make on my debian box to see what the mac >> addr of my modem-router is? >> > $ ping [your_rounter_ip] > $ arp -a > > you should see a

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

> > > > [Although, i guess i do not know the mac addr of the modem-router --- is > there a user-level move i can make on my debian box to see what the mac > addr of my modem-router is? > $ ping [your_rounter_ip] $ arp -a you should see a list of all your ethernet neighbours along with their ip

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 4:46 PM IL Ka wrote: > A random thought: > Check mac addresses, make sure they aren't the same. > Thanks for the thought. That is a reasonable sanity check. But as it happens, all the mac addrs on all these boxes are different --- i've accumulated a list of them due to

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

A random thought: Check mac addresses, make sure they aren't the same. On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 3:36 AM Dan Hitt wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 4:25 PM IL Ka wrote: > >> >>> The reason for the two networks is that my modem-router is electrically >>> incompatible with one of my computers.

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 4:27 PM David Christensen wrote: > On 3/7/21 4:02 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 11:01 AM David Christensen wrote: > > > >> On 3/7/21 9:55 AM, Dan Hitt wrote: > >> > >>> I indeed use ethernet-over-usb currently, and > >>> it is fast enough for me. But if i

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 4:25 PM IL Ka wrote: > >> The reason for the two networks is that my modem-router is electrically >> incompatible with one of my computers. >> > hmm, I never heard about such things) > Is your electrical grounding configured correctly? > > In my country some old apartments

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

The Wanderer composed on 2021-03-07 19:16 (UTC-0500): > On 2021-03-07 at 19:04, David Christensen wrote: >> I can see how GPT labels would be useful for system drives, but I use >> BIOS/MBR because it is the lowest common denominator and I can move >> system drives between machines of varying

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 4:16 PM Felix Miata wrote: > Dan Hitt composed on 2021-03-07 16:02 (UTC-0800): > > > The reason for the two networks is that my modem-router is electrically > > incompatible with one of my computers. That computer freezes or > otherwise > > misbehaves when one of its

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 3/7/21 4:16 PM, The Wanderer wrote: On 2021-03-07 at 19:04, David Christensen wrote: ... I use BIOS/MBR because it is the lowest common denominator and I can move system drives between machines of varying age. That'll probably stop working past a certain point, at least for some

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 3/7/21 4:02 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 11:01 AM David Christensen wrote: On 3/7/21 9:55 AM, Dan Hitt wrote: I indeed use ethernet-over-usb currently, and it is fast enough for me. But if i had a second port, it would be a little less cluttered, so i'd like to do it if

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

> > > The reason for the two networks is that my modem-router is electrically > incompatible with one of my computers. > hmm, I never heard about such things) Is your electrical grounding configured correctly? In my country some old apartments do not have third (ground) wire. I've seen a lot of

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 2021-03-07 at 19:04, David Christensen wrote: > On 3/7/21 12:59 PM, deloptes wrote: >> IMO UEFI makes sense when you have notebook with secureboot and probably >> dual boot with windows. >> For the home server or PC with Linux only ... IMO it is a waste. > > I can see how GPT labels would be

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

Dan Hitt composed on 2021-03-07 16:02 (UTC-0800): > The reason for the two networks is that my modem-router is electrically > incompatible with one of my computers. That computer freezes or otherwise > misbehaves when one of its ethernet ports is on a network which also has > the modem-router.

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 3/7/21 12:59 PM, deloptes wrote: David Christensen wrote: UEFI started coming into x86 motherboard firmware ~10 years ago, so a BIOS-only machine is going to be at least that old.  That is okay for a server, but I would want newer Intel integrated graphics for a desktop. This implies UEFI

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 11:01 AM David Christensen wrote: > On 3/7/21 9:55 AM, Dan Hitt wrote: > > > I indeed use ethernet-over-usb currently, and > > it is fast enough for me. But if i had a second port, it would be a > little > > less cluttered, so i'd like to do it if it is not too costly and

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 2021-03-07 at 17:48, Felix Miata wrote: > Don't settle for a motherboard that lacks any M.2 ports that support > NVME 2280 form factor storage. Prefer more than one on any board > bigger than ITX. I've see reports of <3 second cold boot to > multi-user times using NVME. Best I've seen here is

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

songbird composed on 2021-03-07 13:06 (UTC-0500): > apparently Gigabyte has/had some strange ideas about UEFI. No such here. Gigabyte made the first motherboard I ever acquired with UEFI that I used with UEFI, so

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Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > If you _are_ using add in graphics, then you'll find that the latest cards > effectively tie into UEFI. You may possibly find that attempting to use > legacy/MBR may cause some problems. It would be good to have more reading on that. I had it on my todo list to move to

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 2021-03-07 at 16:24, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Sun, Mar 07, 2021 at 04:06:07PM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 2021-03-07 at 15:59, deloptes wrote: >>> what has the graphic card to do with UEFI? >> >> If you're not using an add-in graphics card, but are relying on >> integrated

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Sun, Mar 07, 2021 at 04:06:07PM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2021-03-07 at 15:59, deloptes wrote: > > > David Christensen wrote: > > > >> UEFI started coming into x86 motherboard firmware ~10 years ago, so > >> a BIOS-only machine is going to be at least that old. That is okay > >> for a

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 2021-03-07 at 15:59, deloptes wrote: > David Christensen wrote: > >> UEFI started coming into x86 motherboard firmware ~10 years ago, so >> a BIOS-only machine is going to be at least that old. That is okay >> for a server, but I would want newer Intel integrated graphics for >> a desktop.

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

David Christensen wrote: > UEFI started coming into x86 motherboard firmware ~10 years ago, so a > BIOS-only machine is going to be at least that old.  That is okay for a > server, but I would want newer Intel integrated graphics for a desktop. > This implies UEFI firmware. what has the graphic

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 3/7/21 11:00 AM, ghe2001 wrote: All of my current boxes are pretty old, and they all have vanilla BIOSes.  I have a Dell laptop that came with a UEFI BIOS, and it was no fun at all getting it to run Debian -- it may still be misconfigured for all I know. If you want to start a new thread,

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On 3/7/21 11:03 AM, Celejar wrote: There are, however, disadvantages as well (besides the fact that anything used involves some risk): these types of machines can have proprietary and non-standard aspects. E.g., I wasted a great deal of time (and some money) during deployment of my Z440 when I

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Sun, 7 Mar 2021 00:48:04 -0800 David Christensen wrote: > On 3/6/21 9:02 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 8:59 PM Dan Hitt wrote: > > > >> I think that i will need to get new desktop hardware, so i'm trying to > >> figure out what to do. ... > >> I'm sort of thinking about

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 3/7/21 9:55 AM, Dan Hitt wrote: I indeed use ethernet-over-usb currently, and it is fast enough for me. But if i had a second port, it would be a little less cluttered, so i'd like to do it if it is not too costly and doesn't interfere with other goals. :) Will the new computer connect

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, March 6, 2021 9:59 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: > I think that i will need to get new desktop hardware, so i'm trying to figure > out what to do. > > When i got my last hardware, one challenge was UEFI

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>> Another important consideration is memory -- non-ECC vs. ECC. Desktop >> stuff has the former, workstation and server stuff done right has the >> latter. STFW "memory error", "bit rot" and related. I prefer computers >> with ECC memory. > it's a really poor choice that that did not

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 2021-03-07 1:06 p.m., songbird wrote: apparently Gigabyte has/had some strange ideas about UEFI. sadly i didn't know this and couldn't shop other than through the phone line talking to someone so i had to rely upon them selecting a motherboard for me. don't really want to sent it back

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Kenneth Parker wrote: ... > I was dragged, "kicking and screaming" to UEFI booting. But, now that I'm > here, it's "sort of" grown on me. > > What helped me, a lot, is a package called Refind. It's available on > Debian, through normal Apt-Get, though it's good to, carefully read the >

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

David Christensen wrote: ... > Another important consideration is memory -- non-ECC vs. ECC. Desktop > stuff has the former, workstation and server stuff done right has the > latter. STFW "memory error", "bit rot" and related. I prefer computers > with ECC memory. it's a really poor

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 8:54 AM Dan Ritter wrote: > Dan Hitt wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 8:59 PM Dan Hitt wrote: > > > > > I think that i will need to get new desktop hardware, so i'm trying to > > > figure out what to do. > > What are your needs, and what's your budget? > > Are you

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 5:11 AM IL Ka wrote: > >> When i got my last hardware, one challenge was UEFI booting, iirc. After >> dealing with it, i sort of lost track of what was happening in that arena. >> However, i don't want to get involved with that again. >> > > Motherboard firmware could be

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

Dan Hitt wrote: > On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 8:59 PM Dan Hitt wrote: > > > I think that i will need to get new desktop hardware, so i'm trying to > > figure out what to do. What are your needs, and what's your budget? Are you comfortable plugging together components to build a machine, or do you

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

> > > When i got my last hardware, one challenge was UEFI booting, iirc. After > dealing with it, i sort of lost track of what was happening in that arena. > However, i don't want to get involved with that again. > Motherboard firmware could be switched to the legacy BIOS/MBR mode, so you do not

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 03/07/2021 12:48 AM, Kenneth Parker wrote: [snip] I was dragged, "kicking and screaming" to UEFI booting.  But, now that I'm here, it's "sort of" grown on me. What helped me, a lot, is a package called Refind.  It's available on Debian, through normal Apt-Get, though it's good to,

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 3/7/21 12:48 AM, David Christensen wrote: The Debian x86 installer detects if you have booted the computer in BIOS or UEFI mode, and works accordingly. "Debian amd64 installer" is more accurate. David

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On 3/6/21 9:02 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 8:59 PM Dan Hitt wrote: I think that i will need to get new desktop hardware, so i'm trying to figure out what to do. When i got my last hardware, one challenge was UEFI booting, iirc. After dealing with it, i sort of lost track of

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 12:03 AM Dan Hitt wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 8:59 PM Dan Hitt wrote: > >> I think that i will need to get new desktop hardware, so i'm trying to >> figure out what to do. >> >> When i got my last hardware, one challenge was UEFI booting, iirc. After >> dealing

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 8:59 PM Dan Hitt wrote: > I think that i will need to get new desktop hardware, so i'm trying to > figure out what to do. > > When i got my last hardware, one challenge was UEFI booting, iirc. After > dealing with it, i sort of lost track of what was happening in that

on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

I think that i will need to get new desktop hardware, so i'm trying to figure out what to do. When i got my last hardware, one challenge was UEFI booting, iirc. After dealing with it, i sort of lost track of what was happening in that arena. However, i don't want to get involved with that again.