On 2023-03-25 06:35, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
After a detour around whiptail I ended up full-circle with Tcl/Tk.
It is still the nicest, smallest self-contained graphical toolkit
enabling one to wrap some GUI around CLI programs. The whole pack
is one or two orders of magnitude smaller than some
>> The issue is not what you CAN express with different media: any
>> program can be expressed as a flowchart.
>
> Is that true? Genuine question - I don't know the answer. But are the
> two mathematically equal/equivalent?
Yes, it's called "Turing equivalence"
debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote:
> Nicolas George wrote:
> > The issue is not what you CAN express with different media: any
> > program can be expressed as a flowchart.
>
> Is that true? Genuine question - I don't know the answer. But are the
> two mathematically equal/equivalent? I wonder
Nicolas George wrote:
> The issue is not what you CAN express with different media: any
> program can be expressed as a flowchart.
Is that true? Genuine question - I don't know the answer. But are the
two mathematically equal/equivalent? I wonder how, for example,
self-modifying code or tail
Nicolas George wrote:
> to...@tuxteam.de (12023-03-29):
> > Perhaps roughly 3k to 4k years of storing, transmitting and
> > retrieving information in written form have a part in it.
> >
> > It may be a social convention, but by now it runs so deep that I'm
> > convinced you'll find epigenetic
On 3/24/23 04:32, cor...@free.fr wrote:
Hello,
Should CLI (command line interface) have a nice UI library?
today web dev has so many libraries that make web pages with
rich/colorful interactive views.
But CLI is still in dull mode. That should be improved in these days.
for example, run "df
coreyh wrote:
> Should CLI (command line interface) have a nice UI library?
You mean, a GUI editor or IDE to write CLI/TUI software?
Interesting question ... Emacs Gnus, maybe?
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The Wanderer (12023-03-29):
> I think it's plausible/probable that it's not so much about the format
> itself, but about the data/meaning/information attached to that format.
>
> Text has much more *nuance* and *detail* attached to it than any
> non-text-based programming structure I've ever run
Erwan David (12023-03-29):
> and do not forget that CLI is what we use in degraded conditions, eg when
> there is no way to get graphics and colors (text, or virtualisation solution here> console)
>
> So we must not depend on graphical capacities to be available
I do not think this is a good
On 2023-03-29 at 10:09, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 09:51:13AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>
>>> I think you are being too harsh here. Such a question may come
>>> genuinely from someone who hasn't experienced the power of the
>>> CLI, which, once you've taken the firs
Le 29/03/2023 à 16:24, Nicolas George a écrit :
to...@tuxteam.de (12023-03-29):
Perhaps roughly 3k to 4k years of storing, transmitting and retrieving
information in written form have a part in it.
It may be a social convention, but by now it runs so deep that I'm
convinced you'll find
to...@tuxteam.de (12023-03-29):
> Perhaps roughly 3k to 4k years of storing, transmitting and retrieving
> information in written form have a part in it.
>
> It may be a social convention, but by now it runs so deep that I'm
> convinced you'll find epigenetic traces of it in us humans.
Or
On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 09:51:13AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > I think you are being too harsh here. Such a question may come
> > genuinely from someone who hasn't experienced the power of the
> > CLI, which, once you've taken the firs step gently takes you
> > to small one-liners, little
> I think you are being too harsh here. Such a question may come
> genuinely from someone who hasn't experienced the power of the
> CLI, which, once you've taken the firs step gently takes you
> to small one-liners, little loops and bigger and bigger programs.
>
> It has this seamless "growth
Hi,
El vie., 24 mar. 2023 16:57, Tom escribió:
>
> >> Should CLI (command line interface) have a nice UI library?
> >
> > There are many. The generic underlying library is usually
> > ncurses.
>
> But it needs to be stressed that there are many. For Python there is
> Textualize [1], for Go
On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 09:13:22AM +0100, DdB wrote:
> Am 24.03.2023 um 12:32 schrieb cor...@free.fr:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Should CLI (command line interface) have a nice UI library?
> > today web dev has so many libraries that make web pages with
> > rich/colorful interactive views.
[...]
>
Am 24.03.2023 um 12:32 schrieb cor...@free.fr:
> Hello,
>
> Should CLI (command line interface) have a nice UI library?
> today web dev has so many libraries that make web pages with
> rich/colorful interactive views.
> But CLI is still in dull mode. That should be improved in these days.
> for
On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 05:26:07PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > Should CLI (command line interface) have a nice UI library?
>
> I don't understand the question. A library that does what?
> "Nice" in which respect?
>
> > today web dev has so many libraries that make web pages with
On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 davidson wrote:
On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 cor...@free.fr wrote:
Hello,
Should CLI (command line interface) have a nice UI library?
The teletype (whether virtualised or not) and shells which constitute
that "CLI" are interfaces designed for a purpose.
Speaking of that purpose,
> There's a lot of work in the general vicinity. I think Jupiter could
^^^
Jupyter
-- Stefan
> Should CLI (command line interface) have a nice UI library?
I don't understand the question. A library that does what?
"Nice" in which respect?
> today web dev has so many libraries that make web pages with rich/colorful
> interactive views.
Not sure how that's relevant to a UI library for a
On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 12:00 Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> IMHO computer systems should be ugly and boring. Ugly, as in lacking
> all the eye candy that gets in the way, and boring as in just doing
> what you want without unpleasant surprises.
>
> Short answer: Not over my dead Teletype.
Hear, hear!
On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 cor...@free.fr wrote:
Hello,
Should CLI (command line interface) have a nice UI library?
The teletype (whether virtualised or not) and shells which constitute
that "CLI" are interfaces designed for a purpose.
today web dev has so many libraries that make web pages with
On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 09:35:09 -0700
Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
> IMHO computer systems should be ugly and boring. Ugly, as in lacking
> all the eye candy that gets in the way, and boring as in just doing
> what you want without unpleasant surprises.
>
> Short answer: Not over my dead Teletype.
>
Hi,
Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> IMHO computer systems should be ugly and boring.
+1
Have a nice day :)
Thomas
On Fri Mar 24 09:13:41 2023 cor...@free.fr wrote:
> Should CLI (command line interface) have a nice UI library?
As an option, possibly. As a standard default, NO!
> today web dev has so many libraries that make web pages with
> rich/colorful interactive views.
And which often get in the way
I forgot to attribute Dan's writing, and shouldn't have trimmed his
words as much, after all mentioning exactly the kind of libraries I
listed. Apologies for the fuss and redo:
On 3/24/23 12:42, Dan Ritter wrote:
> cor...@free.fr wrote:>> Should CLI (command line interface) have a
nice UI
Should CLI (command line interface) have a nice UI library?
There are many. The generic underlying library is usually
ncurses.
But it needs to be stressed that there are many. For Python there is
Textualize [1], for Go there is Charm [2], rust has a TUI crate [3]
among other options.
cor...@free.fr writes:
> Hello,
>
> Should CLI (command line interface) have a nice UI library?
> today web dev has so many libraries that make web pages with
> rich/colorful interactive views.
> But CLI is still in dull mode. That should be improved in these days.
> for example, run "df -h" we
cor...@free.fr wrote:
> Should CLI (command line interface) have a nice UI library?
There are many. The generic underlying library is usually
ncurses. On top of that are more libraries than there are
languages.
> But CLI is still in dull mode. That should be improved in these days.
> for
Ansi gets used to make the eye candy then that ansi breaks screen reader
accessibility with cli screen readers. No thank you!
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On Fri, 24 Mar 2023,
Hello,
Should CLI (command line interface) have a nice UI library?
today web dev has so many libraries that make web pages with
rich/colorful interactive views.
But CLI is still in dull mode. That should be improved in these days.
for example, run "df -h" we got the statistics with plain text.
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