On 2014-11-18, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 06:32:43AM -0500, Tanstaafl wrote:
Some people think sex should only be for procreation...
Are you procreation or against it?
In your case I'm against it.
;-)
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Hallo,
* st [Tue, Nov 11 2014, 02:01:46AM]:
Hans wrote:
And at the beginning things never work perfect
That's why they shouldn't make it into Stable as defaults,
now should they?
We shouldn't and we are not. Because it's not the beginning, systemd
already has multiple years of history
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 01:13:05PM -0500, Ric Moore wrote:
On 11/15/2014 08:51 AM, Curt wrote:
On 2014-11-15, Renaud OLGIATI ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org wrote:
Why can't you wrap your lines while you're at it?
Can't you set your mail client to wrap them for you ?
Sure, and I can
On 11/17/2014 6:10 AM, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
Excuse me, but some people think anatomy jokes are distasteful.
Some people think sex should only be for procreation...
PC police get sooo tiring...
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On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 06:32:43AM -0500, Tanstaafl wrote:
Some people think sex should only be for procreation...
Are you procreation or against it?
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On 2014-11-11, Rob Owens row...@ptd.net wrote:
I don't mean to single out the poster of this comment, because it is
something I've seen repeated by several Debian developers and some
non-developers. Other forms of it are If you want that fixed, please submit
a patch, or the response I got
On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 10:45:11 + (UTC)
Curt cu...@free.fr wrote:
I don't mean to single out the poster of this comment, because it is
something I've seen repeated by several Debian developers and some
non-developers. Other forms of it are If you want that fixed, please
submit a
On 2014-11-15, Renaud OLGIATI ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org wrote:
Why can't you wrap your lines while you're at it?
Can't you set your mail client to wrap them for you ?
Sure, and I can killfile the troll, correct the spelling and grammatical
errors of the slothful and the ignorant,
On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 13:51:44 + (UTC)
Curt cu...@free.fr wrote:
Why can't you wrap your lines while you're at it?
Can't you set your mail client to wrap them for you ?
Sure, and I can killfile the troll, correct the spelling and grammatical
errors of the slothful and the ignorant,
On 11/15/2014 08:51 AM, Curt wrote:
On 2014-11-15, Renaud OLGIATI ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org wrote:
Why can't you wrap your lines while you're at it?
Can't you set your mail client to wrap them for you ?
Sure, and I can killfile the troll, correct the spelling and grammatical
errors
Le 11.11.2014 22:53, Miles Fidelman a écrit :
On a broader note, Debian, Linux, *nix in general, and FOSS software
are a complex and highly-interdependent ecosystem. Yes some people
just take, but an awful lot of us contribute in various ways, in
various places, to the overall ecosystem - be it
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 06:23:26PM +0100, Laurent Bigonville wrote:
Le Tue, 11 Nov 2014 11:58:33 -0500,
Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org a écrit :
On 11/11/2014 9:26 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud o...@debian.org wrote:
Blaming the Debian project for letting the Debian distribution
evolve
Le Wed, 12 Nov 2014 15:29:27 -0200,
Andre N Batista andrenbati...@gmail.com a écrit :
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 06:23:26PM +0100, Laurent Bigonville wrote:
Le Tue, 11 Nov 2014 11:58:33 -0500,
Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org a écrit :
On 11/11/2014 9:26 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
On 11 November 2014 19:43, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote:
Le 11/11/2014 20:21, Don Armstrong a écrit :
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Erwan David wrote:
Le 11/11/2014 18:59, Don Armstrong a écrit :
When I (or someone else) asks people to show us the code, it's
really just shorthand for someone
On Ma, 11 nov 14, 20:43:42, Erwan David wrote:
Your email makes me me regretting contibuting by translating doc (a long
time ago) otr contibuting bugs...
This kind opf stance is completely full of contempt agains non coders.
But coders are nothing if nobody uses or test.
Might be a
On Mi, 12 nov 14, 19:55:08, Laurent Bigonville wrote:
The TC decisions can be overruled by a GR with a simple majority, see
the point 4.1.4 of the Constitution[0]
[0] https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution#item-4
Actually it currently requires a 2:1 majority, but the TC took special
Mon, 10 Nov 2014 18:23:13 +0100
Hans hans.ullr...@loop.de écrivait :
Hi all,
hi Hans,
[...]
This kind of discussion made me unsubscribing to Debian lists.
If all these people code only 10 lines everytime they troll,
we can get a brand new init-system in less than a month.
Happy hacking
On Ma, 11 nov 14, 03:15:12, tor...@riseup.net wrote:
I don't want to use systemd, what are my options inside of a debian
communication channel makes sense to me (assuming one has been a Debian
user in the past).
https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser#systemd
Feel free to add anything
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 10:02:12 +0100
Jean-Marc jean-m...@6jf.be wrote:
This kind of discussion made me unsubscribing to Debian lists.
If all these people code only 10 lines everytime they troll,
we can get a brand new init-system in less than a month.
Does this code have to make sense, or
On Ma, 11 nov 14, 03:15:12, tor...@riseup.net wrote:
I don't want to use systemd, what are my options inside of a debian
communication channel makes sense to me (assuming one has been a
Debian user in the past).
https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser#systemd
Feel free to add anything
Am Montag, 10. November 2014, 12:12:10 schrieb Don Armstrong:
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014, Tanstaafl wrote:
Exactly. I for one am getting sick and tired of being called names on
this list like 'hater' and 'whiner'
Sorry, Don, I did not want to afferon t someone. As I am not native English
speaking,
Hans wrote:
I just wanted to show ways, where EVERYONE might be happy
Sure. Sure. Everybody who has invested years into learning
Debian is just jumping of joy now that it is suddenly turned
into a completely different OS _and_ they have to find another
Unix _and_ learn it almost from scratch
Le mardi, 11 novembre 2014, 20.08:08 st a écrit :
Hans wrote:
I just wanted to show ways, where EVERYONE might be happy
Sure. Sure. Everybody who has invested years into learning
Debian is just jumping of joy now that it is suddenly turned
into a completely different OS _and_ they have to
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
Blaming the Debian project for letting the Debian distribution evolve in
ways defined by its volunteers is unfair.
Blaming? Did I say a word about Stable becoming less and less
stable since about Etch? No. Did I mention that I had to get
almost all essential
- Original Message -
From: _...@debian.org
Debian also was always and will always stay technically defined by those
volunteering to make it what it is. By extension, it is explicitly not
defined by those not putting work (but only words) into it; unmaintained
software and code paths
On 11/11/2014 9:26 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud o...@debian.org wrote:
Blaming the Debian project for letting the Debian distribution evolve in
ways defined by its volunteers is unfair.
Eh? My understanding is that this systemd mess is due to a vote of the
technical committee, a vote that was in
Le Tue, 11 Nov 2014 11:58:33 -0500,
Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org a écrit :
On 11/11/2014 9:26 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud o...@debian.org wrote:
Blaming the Debian project for letting the Debian distribution
evolve in ways defined by its volunteers is unfair.
Eh? My understanding is
Tanstaafl wrote:
On 11/11/2014 9:26 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud o...@debian.org wrote:
Blaming the Debian project for letting the Debian distribution evolve in
ways defined by its volunteers is unfair.
Eh? My understanding is that this systemd mess is due to a vote of the
technical committee, a
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Rob Owens wrote:
This type of comment says to me that my contributions to Debian are
useless if they are not in the form of code.
https://contributors.debian.org/ is everyone who we know has contributed
to Debian in one of the ways that we currently measure. [Granted, it's
Le 11/11/2014 18:59, Don Armstrong a écrit :
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Rob Owens wrote:
This type of comment says to me that my contributions to Debian are
useless if they are not in the form of code.
https://contributors.debian.org/ is everyone who we know has contributed
to Debian in one of the
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Erwan David wrote:
Le 11/11/2014 18:59, Don Armstrong a écrit :
When I (or someone else) asks people to show us the code, it's
really just shorthand for someone needs to do this work, and it
currently isn't important enough for me to do it.
Asking to provide a patch
Le 11/11/2014 20:21, Don Armstrong a écrit :
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Erwan David wrote:
Le 11/11/2014 18:59, Don Armstrong a écrit :
When I (or someone else) asks people to show us the code, it's
really just shorthand for someone needs to do this work, and it
currently isn't important enough for
Erwan David wrote:
Le 11/11/2014 18:59, Don Armstrong a écrit :
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Rob Owens wrote:
This type of comment says to me that my contributions to Debian are
useless if they are not in the form of code.
https://contributors.debian.org/ is everyone who we know has contributed
to
- Original Message -
From: Rob Owens row...@ptd.net
- Original Message -
From: _...@debian.org
Debian also was always and will always stay technically defined by those
volunteering to make it what it is. By extension, it is explicitly not
defined by those not putting
On Ma, 11 nov 14, 11:58:33, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 11/11/2014 9:26 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud o...@debian.org wrote:
Blaming the Debian project for letting the Debian distribution evolve in
ways defined by its volunteers is unfair.
Eh? My understanding is that this systemd mess is due to a
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014,Don Armstrong d...@debian.org mailto:don%40debian.org
wrote:
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Erwan David wrote:
Le 11/11/2014 18:59, Don Armstrong a écrit :
When I (or someone else) asks people to show us the code, it's
really just shorthand for someone needs to do this work,
Hi all,
I am now watching this systemd quarrel for a long time, and I must say, there
is so much energy wasted in this. Please stop it! Really! There are solutions,
which all will be happy. Solutions, that will bring debian forward, too.
- If you don't want to use systemd, just leave it. You
On Mon, 11/10/14, Hans hans.ullr...@loop.de wrote:
Subject: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Date: Monday, November 10, 2014, 11:23 AM
Hi all,
[cut]
- If you do not like the behaviour of Leonard Poettering, do not
quarrel with
him. Hey, I
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You could at least spell the perp's name correctly if you are going to
come to his defense. It's LENNART!
Sorry for that, I hope he will not blame me for that. However, I intended not
to tark part on any side! Neither Lennarts nor the systemd-haters.
My intention
Hans wrote:
And at the beginning things never work perfect
That's why they shouldn't make it into Stable as defaults,
now should they?
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On 11/11/2014 5:46 AM, Hans wrote:
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You could at least spell the perp's name correctly if you are
going to come to his defense. It's LENNART!
Sorry for that, I hope he will not blame me for that. However, I
intended
On 11/10/2014 2:01 PM, st s...@kem.ru wrote:
Hans wrote:
And at the beginning things never work perfect
That's why they shouldn't make it into Stable as defaults,
now should they?
Exactly, it should remain in unstable unless/until it can be released
*perfectly* stable, so if that means it
On 11/10/2014 2:08 PM, Andrew McGlashan
andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote:
On 11/11/2014 5:46 AM, Hans wrote:
Sorry for that, I hope he will not blame me for that. However, I
intended not to tark part on any side! Neither Lennarts nor the
systemd-haters.
It's not about haters ...
On 10/11/14 19:26, Tanstaafl wrote:
Exactly, it should remain in unstable unless/until it can be released
*perfectly* stable, so if that means it stays in unstable for 5 years,
so be it.
If you want *perfectly* stable software, why are you using software that
isn't formally proven?
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On 11/10/2014 2:50 PM, Martin Read zen75...@zen.co.uk wrote:
On 10/11/14 19:26, Tanstaafl wrote:
Exactly, it should remain in unstable unless/until it can be released
*perfectly* stable, so if that means it stays in unstable for 5 years,
so be it.
If you want *perfectly* stable software,
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014, Tanstaafl wrote:
Exactly. I for one am getting sick and tired of being called names on
this list like 'hater' and 'whiner'
Just to underline this, calling people names like hater, whiner, etc.
are not conducive to discussions, are not appropriate on Debian
mailing lists,
Tanstaafl wrote:
On 11/10/2014 2:08 PM, Andrew McGlashan
andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote:
On 11/11/2014 5:46 AM, Hans wrote:
Sorry for that, I hope he will not blame me for that. However, I
intended not to tark part on any side! Neither Lennarts nor the
systemd-haters.
It's not
And you really think making another thread about the subject is the
right way to stop the discussions about systemd? You couldn't have
said that in one of the existing threads?
You missed the option to invest the energy in distributions which don't
use systemd.
People are angry, disappointed,
tor...@riseup.net wrote:
And you really think making another thread about the subject is the
right way to stop the discussions about systemd? You couldn't have
said that in one of the existing threads?
You missed the option to invest the energy in distributions which don't
use systemd.
People
You know, it is still possible that the installer team will fix bug
#668001, systemd-shim will stabilize, and it will remain possible in
some future release of Jessie, to build and run a Jessie system
without systemd taking over one's system. Or maybe folks will come to
their senses for Jessie+1.
tor...@riseup.net wrote:
You know, it is still possible that the installer team will fix bug
#668001, systemd-shim will stabilize, and it will remain possible in
some future release of Jessie, to build and run a Jessie system
without systemd taking over one's system. Or maybe folks will come to
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