Re: No Google bubble? (was: systemd for administrators, printable version.)

2014-11-20 Thread Curt
On 2014-11-19, martin f krafft madd...@debian.org wrote: Google has more ways to identify you than cookies or a login token, Well, we're talking now about the filtering of search results for dubious motives. Someone posted a link to a web page that looked liked it was written and designed

Re: systemd for administrators, printable version.

2014-11-20 Thread Amodelo
Am 19.11.2014 um 09:48 schrieb Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com: On 19/11/14 18:05, Erwan David wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 05:34:20PM CET, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk said: On Tue 18 Nov 2014 at 10:56:58 +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at

Re: systemd for administrators, printable version.

2014-11-20 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 21/11/14 01:48, Amodelo wrote: Am 19.11.2014 um 09:48 schrieb Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com: On 19/11/14 18:05, Erwan David wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 05:34:20PM CET, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk said: On Tue 18 Nov 2014 at 10:56:58 +, Jonathan Dowland

Re: systemd for administrators, printable version.

2014-11-20 Thread Miles Fidelman
Scott Ferguson wrote: On 21/11/14 01:48, Amodelo wrote: Am 19.11.2014 um 09:48 schrieb Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com: On 19/11/14 18:05, Erwan David wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 05:34:20PM CET, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk said: On Tue 18 Nov 2014 at 10:56:58 +,

Re: systemd for administrators, printable version.

2014-11-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 20 nov 14, 16:02:26, Miles Fidelman wrote: Scott Ferguson wrote: Google search-term results depend on many things, As I've previously stated - and provided factors, twice. Context shouldn't be hard to grasp, don't you think? You know, Google is your friend on such things:

Re: systemd for administrators, printable version.

2014-11-19 Thread Curt
On 2014-11-19, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: Not pdf, but printable Yes, pdf. You said: Is there a printable/epub/pdf version of systemd for *** administrators? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: systemd for administrators, printable version.

2014-11-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 19/11/14 18:05, Erwan David wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 05:34:20PM CET, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk said: On Tue 18 Nov 2014 at 10:56:58 +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 07:54:48PM +0100, Erwan David wrote: snipped Not pdf, but printable That search term has

Re: systemd for administrators, printable version.

2014-11-19 Thread Erwan David
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 09:29:58AM CET, Curt cu...@free.fr said: On 2014-11-19, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: Not pdf, but printable Yes, pdf. You said: Is there a printable/epub/pdf version of systemd for *** administrators? But I searched

Re: systemd for administrators, printable version.

2014-11-19 Thread Darac Marjal
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 07:48:49PM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 19/11/14 18:05, Erwan David wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 05:34:20PM CET, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk said: On Tue 18 Nov 2014 at 10:56:58 +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 07:54:48PM +0100, Erwan

Re: systemd for administrators, printable version.

2014-11-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 19/11/14 20:53, Darac Marjal wrote: On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 07:48:49PM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 19/11/14 18:05, Erwan David wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 05:34:20PM CET, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk said: On Tue 18 Nov 2014 at 10:56:58 +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Mon, Nov

Re: systemd for administrators, printable version.

2014-11-19 Thread Curt
On 2014-11-19, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: Is there a printable/epub/pdf version of systemd for *** administrators? But I searched printable, pdf being just an example. Indeed having a source would be handy also for this kind of document. Oh I see.

No Google bubble? (was: systemd for administrators, printable version.)

2014-11-19 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com [2014-11-19 10:48 +0200]: Sadly, whoever told you that was misinformed - and misinformed you. Google results may vary according to the constantly updating search index - and search terms - but the search history, either stored in

Re: No Google bubble? (was: systemd for administrators, printable version.)

2014-11-19 Thread Curt
On 2014-11-19, martin f krafft madd...@debian.org wrote: Can you please back this up with evidence? I would love to be proven misinformed. I went over to google.fr, put systemd for administrators pdf in the search slit (or whatever it's called) and got The systemd - 0pointer.net

Re: No Google bubble? (was: systemd for administrators, printable version.)

2014-11-19 Thread Erwan David
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 02:05:38PM CET, Curt cu...@free.fr said: On 2014-11-19, martin f krafft madd...@debian.org wrote: Can you please back this up with evidence? I would love to be proven misinformed. I went over to google.fr, put systemd for administrators pdf in the search

Re: No Google bubble? (was: systemd for administrators, printable version.)

2014-11-19 Thread Curt
On 2014-11-19, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: Joerg got http://www.bandwidthco.com/whitepapers/os/linux/systemd/systemd%20for%20Administrators.pdf Not same document. Who's Joerg? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe.

Re: No Google bubble? (was: systemd for administrators, printable version.)

2014-11-19 Thread Ron
On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 14:26:22 +0100 Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 02:05:38PM CET, Curt cu...@free.fr said: Can you please back this up with evidence? I would love to be proven misinformed. I went over to google.fr, put systemd for administrators pdf

Re: No Google bubble? (was: systemd for administrators, printable version.)

2014-11-19 Thread Erwan David
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 02:48:46PM CET, Curt cu...@free.fr said: On 2014-11-19, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: Joerg got http://www.bandwidthco.com/whitepapers/os/linux/systemd/systemd%20for%20Administrators.pdf Not same document. Who's Joerg? Joerg Desh, who answered in

Re: No Google bubble? (was: systemd for administrators, printable version.)

2014-11-19 Thread Curt
On 2014-11-19, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: Joerg got http://www.bandwidthco.com/whitepapers/os/linux/systemd/systemd%20for%20Administrators.pdf Not same document. This is confusing. The claim is your Google search history affects your Google search results. I have no Google

Re: No Google bubble? (was: systemd for administrators, printable version.)

2014-11-19 Thread Erwan David
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 03:37:33PM CET, Curt cu...@free.fr said: On 2014-11-19, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: Joerg got http://www.bandwidthco.com/whitepapers/os/linux/systemd/systemd%20for%20Administrators.pdf Not same document. This is confusing. The claim is your Google

Re: No Google bubble? (was: systemd for administrators, printable version.)

2014-11-19 Thread Ron
On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 14:37:33 + (UTC) Curt cu...@free.fr wrote: The claim is your Google search history affects your Google search results. Seems Google tailors your results depending on what you look at; frinstance if they see that you often go to the Wikipedia article on the query

Re: No Google bubble? (was: systemd for administrators, printable version.)

2014-11-19 Thread Curt
On 2014-11-19, Renaud OLGIATI ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org wrote: The claim is your Google search history affects your Google search results. Seems Google tailors your results depending on what you look at; frinstance if they see that you often go to the Wikipedia article on the query

Re: No Google bubble? (was: systemd for administrators, printable version.)

2014-11-19 Thread Ron
On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 15:49:09 + (UTC) Curt cu...@free.fr wrote: The link posted by Darac (http://dontbubble.us/) claims that Google results are tailored *based on your search history*. I don't have a search history. I had no cookies, either, when I made the search. Nor was I logged in to

Re: No Google bubble? (was: systemd for administrators, printable version.)

2014-11-19 Thread Morel Bérenger
Le Mer 19 novembre 2014 16:49, Curt a écrit : So I don't see how Google could have tailored my results. For example, it can guess from your IP from where you come, and show results more... pertinent... considering your location. A easy test: search for test. This word exists in several

Re: No Google bubble? (was: systemd for administrators, printable version.)

2014-11-19 Thread Darac Marjal
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 03:49:09PM +, Curt wrote: On 2014-11-19, Renaud OLGIATI ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org wrote: The claim is your Google search history affects your Google search results. Seems Google tailors your results depending on what you look at; frinstance if they

Re: No Google bubble? (was: systemd for administrators, printable version.)

2014-11-19 Thread Curt
On 2014-11-19, Morel Bérenger berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le Mer 19 novembre 2014 16:49, Curt a écrit : So I don't see how Google could have tailored my results. For example, it can guess from your IP from where you come, and show results more... pertinent... considering your

Re: No Google bubble? (was: systemd for administrators, printable version.)

2014-11-19 Thread Curt
On 2014-11-19, Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk wrote: Do you regularly search from the same IP address? Do you regularly search from the same browser? Do you regularly search from the same country? I see what you're driving at. But as you can easily change browsers and compare search

Re: No Google bubble? (was: systemd for administrators, printable version.)

2014-11-19 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Curt cu...@free.fr [2014-11-19 17:49 +0200]: I don't have a search history. I had no cookies, either, when I made the search. Nor was I logged in to their services. So I don't see how Google could have tailored my results. Google has more ways to identify you than cookies or a

Re: No Google bubble? (was: systemd for administrators, printable version.)

2014-11-19 Thread Morel Bérenger
Le Mer 19 novembre 2014 18:26, Curt a écrit : Now, is bubbling good or not, is a different question and I do not intend to try to answer it :) It may be good for a francophone, si tu ne causes pas la langue de M Shakespeare! Yes, it may. But sometimes it gets annoying, depending on one's

Re: systemd for administrators, printable version.

2014-11-18 Thread Helmut Wollmersdorfer
Am 17.11.2014 um 19:54 schrieb Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org: Le 17/11/2014 17:39, Brian a écrit : On Mon 17 Nov 2014 at 15:29:21 +0100, Erwan David wrote: Is there a printable/epub/pdf version of systemd for administrators ? 20+ HTML pages is very difficult to read, just becaus it

Re: systemd for administrators, printable version.

2014-11-18 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 07:54:48PM +0100, Erwan David wrote: Which would (in addition to being tedious) do an ugly job because of web pages decorations and the fact that a webpage does not map well on a pdf page. The pages you are talking about are fairly simple in terms of presentation

Re: systemd for administrators, printable version.

2014-11-18 Thread Brian
On Tue 18 Nov 2014 at 10:56:58 +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 07:54:48PM +0100, Erwan David wrote: And no need to be so contemptuous, I know such a solution exists, with a very poor result. Please assume good faith on the part of your fellow list participants.

Re: systemd for administrators, printable version.

2014-11-18 Thread Curt
On 2014-11-18, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: That search term has http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd-pdf.html as its first result. Well, I'm sure there's something unsatisfying about that, about which we can all have a long, acrimonious discussion. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: systemd for administrators, printable version.

2014-11-18 Thread Erwan David
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 05:34:20PM CET, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk said: On Tue 18 Nov 2014 at 10:56:58 +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 07:54:48PM +0100, Erwan David wrote: And no need to be so contemptuous, I know such a solution exists, with a very poor

systemd for administrators, printable version.

2014-11-17 Thread Erwan David
Is there a printable/epub/pdf version of systemd for administrators ? 20+ HTML pages is very difficult to read, just becaus it requires mouse movement. Even one only HTML page would be better. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe.

Re: systemd for administrators, printable version.

2014-11-17 Thread Brian
On Mon 17 Nov 2014 at 15:29:21 +0100, Erwan David wrote: Is there a printable/epub/pdf version of systemd for administrators ? 20+ HTML pages is very difficult to read, just becaus it requires mouse movement. Even one only HTML page would be better. DIY. Save the pages to file, 1.pdf,

Re: systemd for administrators, printable version.

2014-11-17 Thread Erwan David
Le 17/11/2014 17:39, Brian a écrit : On Mon 17 Nov 2014 at 15:29:21 +0100, Erwan David wrote: Is there a printable/epub/pdf version of systemd for administrators ? 20+ HTML pages is very difficult to read, just becaus it requires mouse movement. Even one only HTML page would be better.

Re: systemd for administrators, printable version.

2014-11-17 Thread Curt
On 2014-11-17, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: Which would (in addition to being tedious) do an ugly job because of web pages decorations and the fact that a webpage does not map well on a pdf page. In iceweasal printing to file turns out a nice-looking pdf in my opinion. -- To

Re: systemd for administrators, printable version.

2014-11-17 Thread Brian
On Mon 17 Nov 2014 at 19:54:48 +0100, Erwan David wrote: Le 17/11/2014 17:39, Brian a écrit : On Mon 17 Nov 2014 at 15:29:21 +0100, Erwan David wrote: Is there a printable/epub/pdf version of systemd for administrators ? 20+ HTML pages is very difficult to read, just becaus it requires

Re: systemd for administrators, printable version.

2014-11-17 Thread Joerg Desch
Am Mon, 17 Nov 2014 15:29:21 +0100 schrieb Erwan David: Is there a printable/epub/pdf version of systemd for administrators ? http://www.bandwidthco.com/whitepapers/os/linux/systemd/systemd%20for% 20Administrators.pdf Google leads me to this link... ;-) I don't know the state of this

Re: systemd for administrators, printable version.

2014-11-17 Thread Erwan David
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 07:31:33AM CET, Joerg Desch n...@jdesch.de said: Am Mon, 17 Nov 2014 15:29:21 +0100 schrieb Erwan David: Is there a printable/epub/pdf version of systemd for administrators ? http://www.bandwidthco.com/whitepapers/os/linux/systemd/systemd%20for%