Re: where can i find a list of wireless adapter that debian support

2021-07-23 Thread Stefan Monnier
> the tricky part of my search for ideal adapter(needn't non-free firmware) > isthat many vendors claim they support linux, but i'm afraid they require > non-free firmware > is there some easy way to find out if it requires non-free firmware? Buy it from a place that did this job for you. E.g.

Re: where can i find a list of wireless adapter that debian support

2021-07-23 Thread tomas
On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 08:09:07PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: [...] > > They're not even free > > to rebuild the firmware and verify that it matches the official binary. > > All they can do is look at the code and hope that the binary blob actually > > matches it. > > Unless I'm missing

Re: where can i find a list of wireless adapter that debian support

2021-07-23 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 23 iul 21, 13:15:46, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 08:09:07PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > Unless I'm missing something (which is very much possible, I'm way out > > of my depth here) rebuilding to verify it matches the official binary > > should still be possible. >

Re: where can i find a list of wireless adapter that debian support

2021-07-23 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 08:09:07PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > Unless I'm missing something (which is very much possible, I'm way out > of my depth here) rebuilding to verify it matches the official binary > should still be possible. > > Care to elaborate on why you think this would be a

Re: where can i find a list of wireless adapter that debian support

2021-07-23 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 23 iul 21, 07:17:31, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 10:20:00AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On the other hand, if the device would accept only firmware signed by > > the manufacturer the code itself could be open sourced. > > > > Users would still depend on the

Re: where can i find a list of wireless adapter that debian support

2021-07-23 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 10:20:00AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On the other hand, if the device would accept only firmware signed by > the manufacturer the code itself could be open sourced. > > Users would still depend on the manufacturers to actually release > updates, but at least they

Re: where can i find a list of wireless adapter that debian support

2021-07-23 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 23 iul 21, 17:11:25, loushanguan2...@sina.com wrote: > > Thanks, as most adapters require firmware, it's not handy for user to > supply them during installation > can't debian do a better job? i care more about ease of use than > freeware philosophymany other distro just supply them

Re: where can i find a list of wireless adapter that debian support

2021-07-23 Thread tomas
On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 05:11:25PM +0800, loushanguan2...@sina.com wrote: > > Thanks, as most adapters require firmware, it's not handy for user to supply > them during installation > can't debian do a better job? i care more about ease of use than freeware > philosophymany other distro just

Re: where can i find a list of wireless adapter that debian support

2021-07-23 Thread Dan Ritter
loushanguan2...@sina.com wrote: > > Thanks, as most adapters require firmware, it's not handy for user to supply > them during installation > can't debian do a better job? i care more about ease of use than freeware > philosophymany other distro just supply them If all distros were the same,

Re: where can i find a list of wireless adapter that debian support

2021-07-23 Thread loushanguan2015
Thanks, as most adapters require firmware, it's not handy for user to supply them during installation can't debian do a better job? i care more about ease of use than freeware philosophymany other distro just supply them these non-free firmware are same as software without source code??

Re: where can i find a list of wireless adapter that debian support

2021-07-23 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 22 iul 21, 04:33:09, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 22 July 2021 00:58:23 loushanguan2...@sina.com wrote: > > > Thank Georgi! > > the tricky part of my search for ideal adapter(needn't non-free > > firmware) isthat many vendors claim they support linux, but i'm afraid > > they require

Re: where can i find a list of wireless adapter that debian support

2021-07-22 Thread loushanguan2015
Thank Gene, i'd better give up search for ideal wireless adapter my old pci wireless adapter needn't non-free firmware, but new adapter need, as Andrew has said

Re: where can i find a list of wireless adapter that debian support

2021-07-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 22 July 2021 00:58:23 loushanguan2...@sina.com wrote: > Thank Georgi! > the tricky part of my search for ideal adapter(needn't non-free > firmware) isthat many vendors claim they support linux, but i'm afraid > they require non-free firmware is there some easy way to find out if > it

Re: where can i find a list of wireless adapter that debian support

2021-07-21 Thread loushanguan2015
Thank Georgi! the tricky part of my search for ideal adapter(needn't non-free firmware) isthat many vendors claim they support linux, but i'm afraid they require non-free firmware is there some easy way to find out if it requires non-free firmware?

Re: 回复:Re: where can i find a list of wireless adapter that debian support

2021-07-20 Thread Joe
On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:47:21 +0800 wrote: > Windows is better supported because many vendors claim they support > Windows from winxp to win10they don't mention linux > This is because all PC hardware is *designed* to work with current, recent and near-future versions of Windows, because the

回复:Re: where can i find a list of wireless adapter that debian support

2021-07-20 Thread loushanguan2015
Christian Britz wrote: On Windows, everything regarding the driver is non-free, not only the firmware. Personally I can live with non-free firmware and have always enabled this. Windows is better supported because many vendors claim they support Windows from winxp to win10they don't mention

Re: where can i find a list of wireless adapter that debian support

2021-07-20 Thread Christian Britz
At 20.07.21 11:01 loushanguan2...@sina.com wrote: Thank Andrew, Stefan and nick! i prefer old wifi adapter if new one often requires non-free firmware it seems that Windows is better supported than linux in this aspect On Windows, everything regarding the driver is non-free, not only the

Re: where can i find a list of wireless adapter that debian support

2021-07-20 Thread loushanguan2015
Thank Andrew, Stefan and nick! i prefer old wifi adapter if new one often requires non-free firmware it seems that Windows is better supported than linux in this aspect finding my ideal adapter with right interface isn't easy (usb is preferred, some pci card can't be install in my PC) finding them

Re: where can i find a list of wireless adapter that debian support

2021-07-19 Thread Stefan Monnier
loushanguan2...@sina.com [2021-07-19 20:32:39] wrote: > i've found some adapter with search enginehopefully it can be installed in > debian without firmware from non-free AFAIK there is currently no wifi card that supports 11ac and for which there exists a non-proprietary firmware.

Re: where can i find a list of wireless adapter that debian support

2021-07-19 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 08:32:39PM +0800, loushanguan2...@sina.com wrote: > Thanks, mick! > i've found some adapter with search enginehopefully it can be installed in > debian without firmware from non-free > It's fairly unlikely that any modern adapter will work with no non-free firmware:

Re: where can i find a list of wireless adapter that debian support

2021-07-19 Thread loushanguan2015
Thanks, mick! i've found some adapter with search enginehopefully it can be installed in debian without firmware from non-free

Re: where can i find a list of wireless adapter that debian support

2021-07-19 Thread mick crane
On 2021-07-19 08:46, loushanguan2...@sina.com wrote: i hate to install firmware from non-free sectionin some instances free adapter perform better than non-free one i browse some e-shop, some vendor claim that you needn't driver for their adapter installationi guess driver is included somewhere

Re: where can i find a list of wireless adapter that debian support

2021-07-19 Thread Georgi Naplatanov
On 7/19/21 10:46 AM, loushanguan2...@sina.com wrote: > > i hate to install firmware from non-free section > in some instances free adapter perform better than non-free one > > i browse some e-shop, some vendor claim that you needn't driver for > their adapter installation > i guess driver is

where can i find a list of wireless adapter that debian support

2021-07-19 Thread loushanguan2015
i hate to install firmware from non-free sectionin some instances free adapter perform better than non-free one i browse some e-shop, some vendor claim that you needn't driver for their adapter installationi guess driver is included somewhere in adapter, vendor say they can be installed in