Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-13 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 02:05:23PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: May be 3 years ago now, but I tried various options back then, and mpop was the fastest (really fast compared to fetchmail) which did not have other problems for me, at that time. Three years is a long time for a piece of

Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-10 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 9 Oct 2013 11:08:41 +0200 Jochen Spieker m...@well-adjusted.de wrote: ... (BTW, I had assumed fetchmail was dead while getmail is alive. It is actually the other way round!) Not exactly sure what you mean here, but getmail looks alive to me - the latest version was released less than

Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-10 Thread Jochen Spieker
Celejar: On Wed, 9 Oct 2013 11:08:41 +0200 Jochen Spieker m...@well-adjusted.de wrote: (BTW, I had assumed fetchmail was dead while getmail is alive. It is actually the other way round!) Not exactly sure what you mean here, but getmail looks alive to me - the latest version was released

Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-09 Thread Jochen Spieker
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org: I finally decided myself to install a software to manage my mails. Good luck! My impression is that this is one of the few things that have not become considerably easier on Linux in the last ten years. Mutt is still a good choice today if you can live with the

Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-09 Thread berenger . morel
Le 09.10.2013 04:48, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/8/2013 9:13 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Hi. I finally decided myself to install a software to manage my mails. So, I think I'll go for mutt: it appears quite often on the list ( so I might ask if I have problems, before trying

Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-09 Thread D.E. Bil
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 03:13:27AM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: So, here is my question: What would you use as a MTA on a Debian system made for an end-user? mutt fetchmail procmail msmtp Check out

Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-09 Thread berenger . morel
Le 09.10.2013 04:57, Celejar a écrit : What would you use as a MTA on a Debian system made for an end-user? I've used Exim, basically because it's (was?) the Debian default. I do not want a default software just because it is the default. Otherwise I would have be perfectly happy with

Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-09 Thread Jochen Spieker
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org: Le 09.10.2013 04:57, Celejar a écrit : Assuming you're using a smarthost (relay host), you can use a relay server such as ssmpt, msmtp or nullmailer which I believe all meet these two conditions. By relay host, you mean the server from which I am sending

Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-09 Thread berenger . morel
Le 09.10.2013 11:08, Jochen Spieker a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org: I finally decided myself to install a software to manage my mails. Good luck! My impression is that this is one of the few things that have not become considerably easier on Linux in the last ten years. Mutt is

Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-09 Thread Jochen Spieker
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org: Le 09.10.2013 11:08, Jochen Spieker a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org: - How do I plan to access mails using mutt (IMAP or local storage?) IMAP. Then the rest is really easy. Just point mutt to that IMAP server and install+configure one of the

Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-09 Thread Curt
On 2013-10-09, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: - How do I plan to access mails using mutt (IMAP or local storage?) IMAP. Local storage is probably nice for some uses, but I'll be honest: I can not see the interest of reading all my mails without Internet

Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-09 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 10/9/2013 5:48 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 09.10.2013 04:48, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/8/2013 9:13 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Hi. I finally decided myself to install a software to manage my mails. So, I think I'll go for mutt: it appears quite often on

Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-09 Thread Jochen Spieker
Curt: On 2013-10-09, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: - How do I plan to access mails using mutt (IMAP or local storage?) IMAP. Local storage is probably nice for some uses, but I'll be honest: I can not see the interest of reading all my mails without

Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-09 Thread Curt
On 2013-10-09, Jochen Spieker m...@well-adjusted.de wrote: SMTP is still the most common way to send e-mails (even if the user doesn't see it). Some IMAP servers can send e-mails on their users' behalf when mails are save into a special folder, but not all servers do that. What? I use SMTP.

Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-09 Thread berenger . morel
Le 09.10.2013 14:05, Curt a écrit : What use do you find for an MTA if you're using IMAP? I do not know, really. I simply have read here and there that it was needed, and since I have noticed so much choice in aptitude, I asked here to understand what solution would be the best. If it is to

Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-09 Thread Curt
On 2013-10-09, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: I am trying to put myself into that world of local mail clients, so I can not say if it does or not :) There seems to be some confusion, as always. I use alpine. Alpine sends my mail through my smart host

Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-09 Thread Jochen Spieker
Curt: On 2013-10-09, Jochen Spieker m...@well-adjusted.de wrote: SMTP is still the most common way to send e-mails (even if the user doesn't see it). Some IMAP servers can send e-mails on their users' behalf when mails are save into a special folder, but not all servers do that. What? I

Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-09 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 01:02:09PM +0300, D.E. Bil wrote: On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 03:13:27AM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: What would you use as a MTA on a Debian system made for an end-user? mutt fetchmail procmail Not MTAs… I guess you're going one further and suggesting

Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-09 Thread Jonathan Dowland
I recommend exim. I've used it for 10 years. It is heavy-weight for desktops/laptops, but the Debian packaging around it makes such configuration situations a lot simpler. (The same packaging gets in the way of running exim on a server, IMHO). In the past I've tried simple MTAs designed for

Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-09 Thread Curt
On 2013-10-09, Jochen Spieker m...@well-adjusted.de wrote: I still advise anyone to run a local MTA, even if only for mails from cron etc. But that is a matter of taste. That's what I told the OP. There are hooks which let you re-configure arbitrary configuration items for certain events.

Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-09 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
On Qua, 09 Out 2013, berenger.morel wrote: So, I think I'll go for mutt No one mentioned the simplest way: mutt now supports sending via smtp directly: http://dev.mutt.org/trac/wiki/MuttFaq/Sendmail#HowdoIconfigureMutttousearemoteSMTPservertosendmail Since it also supports IMAP accounts

Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-09 Thread D.E. Bil
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 02:16:20PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 01:02:09PM +0300, D.E. Bil wrote: On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 03:13:27AM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: What would you use as a MTA on a Debian system made for an end-user? mutt

Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-09 Thread Curt
On 2013-10-09, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br wrote: No one mentioned the simplest way: mutt now supports sending via smtp directly: http://dev.mutt.org/trac/wiki/MuttFaq/Sendmail#HowdoIconfigureMutttousearemoteSMTPservertosendmail Oh I didn't realize mutt couldn't do that

Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-09 Thread green
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote at 2013-10-08 20:13 -0500: that it needs 2 other tools: one to fetch mails from server, and another one to send them. mutt is capable of retrieving mail via IMAP or POP3. An alternative option is getmail4. You may want to use msmtp for sending mail.

Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-09 Thread peasthope
From: berenger.mo...@neutralite.org Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 03:13:27 +0200 I use a tiling window managers: it will never spawn ugly dialog in my face for a reason or another, and for the situations when I simply want to run a TTY without X, it will fit perfectly too. Reminiscent of the

Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-09 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 01:10:15PM +, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: On Qua, 09 Out 2013, berenger.morel wrote: So, I think I'll go for mutt No one mentioned the simplest way: mutt now supports sending via smtp directly:

Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-09 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 01:35:41PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 09.10.2013 11:08, Jochen Spieker a écrit : .snip. This is handy if you use several different mail providers Few months ago, I had something like 4 or 5 addresses. It was a ugly and

Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-09 Thread Joe
On Wed, 09 Oct 2013 12:14:40 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: By relay host, you mean the server from which I am sending this mail ( through a web interface )? If so, yes, I only want to discuss with it, except if there is some advantage ( for me or that server ) to directly send

Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-09 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 10/9/13, Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 09 Oct 2013 03:13:27 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: ... For the fetcher, I am surprised that debian does not seems to recommend or suggest using one, so I will not spend time on that -for now at least- and will do as the

which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-08 Thread berenger . morel
Hi. I finally decided myself to install a software to manage my mails. So, I think I'll go for mutt: it appears quite often on the list ( so I might ask if I have problems, before trying another one when everything will be ok ) and runs into a terminal, which makes it perfect for me since I

Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-08 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 10/8/2013 9:13 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Hi. I finally decided myself to install a software to manage my mails. So, I think I'll go for mutt: it appears quite often on the list ( so I might ask if I have problems, before trying another one when everything will be ok ) and runs

Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?

2013-10-08 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 09 Oct 2013 03:13:27 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: ... For the fetcher, I am surprised that debian does not seems to recommend or suggest using one, so I will not spend time on that -for now at least- and will do as the article says, unless I discover something