Re: who uses dual boot? [was: How to start using a free OS]

2013-11-19 Thread berenger . morel
Le 12.11.2013 14:32, Miles Fidelman a écrit : Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2013-11-12 at 23:01 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Install a Linux and call it Windows 2014 - super professional special admin edition and this kind of user will have no issue, call it Linux and they will ask you to

Re: who uses dual boot? [was: How to start using a free OS]

2013-11-19 Thread berenger . morel
Le 12.11.2013 19:46, Joe a écrit : The government of my country requires pretty much all business taxation to be dealt with by their own software over the Net, and though they offer a Linux fig-leaf, it doesn't cover much e.g. needs 32 bit support, which no longer exists in sid (no, it doesn't

Re: who uses dual boot? [was: How to start using a free OS]

2013-11-19 Thread Joe
On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 15:53:23 +0100 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 12.11.2013 19:46, Joe a écrit : The government of my country requires pretty much all business taxation to be dealt with by their own software over the Net, and though they offer a Linux fig-leaf, it doesn't

Re: who uses dual boot? [was: How to start using a free OS]

2013-11-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2013-11-13 at 00:59 +, José Silva wrote: I think there are ways of overcoming this, inserting the key in the VM bios, but I doubt it's legal. Is it legal to have a monopoly and to force people to pay for an OS to survive? We are living and we need to survive!

Re: who uses dual boot? [was: How to start using a free OS]

2013-11-13 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 11/13/13, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Wed, 2013-11-13 at 00:59 +, José Silva wrote: I think there are ways of overcoming this, inserting the key in the VM bios, but I doubt it's legal. Is it legal to have a monopoly and to force people to pay for an OS to

Re: who uses dual boot? [was: How to start using a free OS]

2013-11-13 Thread José Silva
On 13/11/13 01:46, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 13/11/13 11:59, José Silva wrote: On 13/11/13 00:26, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 13/11/13 09:10, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2013-11-12 at 21:36 +0100, Alois Mahdal wrote: 1.8GHz dual core and 4G RAM attempting Win XP in VBox for even the most simple

Re: who uses dual boot? [was: How to start using a free OS]

2013-11-13 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 13/11/13 21:44, José Silva wrote: On 13/11/13 01:46, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 13/11/13 11:59, José Silva wrote: On 13/11/13 00:26, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 13/11/13 09:10, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2013-11-12 at 21:36 +0100, Alois Mahdal wrote: 1.8GHz dual core and 4G RAM attempting

Re: who uses dual boot? [was: How to start using a free OS]

2013-11-13 Thread José Silva
On 13/11/13 11:36, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 13/11/13 21:44, José Silva wrote: On 13/11/13 01:46, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 13/11/13 11:59, José Silva wrote: On 13/11/13 00:26, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 13/11/13 09:10, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2013-11-12 at 21:36 +0100, Alois Mahdal wrote:

Re: who uses dual boot? [was: How to start using a free OS]

2013-11-13 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 09:31:48AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2013-11-13 at 00:59 +, José Silva wrote: I think there are ways of overcoming this, inserting the key in the VM bios, but I doubt it's legal. Is it legal to have a monopoly and to force people to pay for an OS to

Re: who uses dual boot? [was: How to start using a free OS]

2013-11-13 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 14/11/13 09:42, Chris Bannister wrote: On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 09:31:48AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2013-11-13 at 00:59 +, José Silva wrote: I think there are ways of overcoming this, inserting the key in the VM bios, but I doubt it's legal. Is it legal to have a monopoly and

Re: who uses dual boot? [was: How to start using a free OS]

2013-11-13 Thread John Hasler
Chris Bannister writes: I don't see how not having an OS stops you surviving. Or how not having a copy of Microsoft Windows stops you from having an OS. I'm able to live without it. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: who uses dual boot? [was: How to start using a free OS]

2013-11-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2013-11-13 at 17:10 -0600, John Hasler wrote: Chris Bannister writes: I don't see how not having an OS stops you surviving. Or how not having a copy of Microsoft Windows stops you from having an OS. I'm able to live without it. I already mentioned that you can't make an electronic

who uses dual boot? [was: How to start using a free OS]

2013-11-12 Thread Miles Fidelman
Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2013-11-12 at 23:01 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Install a Linux and call it Windows 2014 - super professional special admin edition and this kind of user will have no issue, call it Linux and they will ask you to remove it and reinstall Windows again. I agree :)

Re: who uses dual boot? [was: How to start using a free OS]

2013-11-12 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 11/12/2013 08:32 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: But, having said that, when one really uses two operating systems on the same machine, I expect it's more common to run one under virtualization, so you can run both at the same time - dual booting is a real pain if one is really USING both

Re: who uses dual boot? [was: How to start using a free OS]

2013-11-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Miles, I completely agree with you. My doubts regarding a multi-boot Windows/Linux are related to beginners who used Windows only for years. When I switched from other computers to a PC I installed both, Windows and Linux. I was a very experienced coder on other computers, so the situation is

Re: who uses dual boot? [was: How to start using a free OS]

2013-11-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Oops: During iOS updates VBox is a PITA, because I need to reconnect VBox's ^for the iPad virtual USB connection several times, I anyway never installed it to the real XP install on my machine. ^iTunes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: who uses dual boot? [was: How to start using a free OS]

2013-11-12 Thread Russell Powers
On November 12, 2013 at 8:32 AM Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: What are other people's experiences? How many folks here use Windows (or Mac o/s) on the same machine as a linux distribution? Do you dual-boot or do you virtualize? Besides needing Windows for work and

Re: who uses dual boot? [was: How to start using a free OS]

2013-11-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 12 nov 13, 08:32:55, Miles Fidelman wrote: What are other people's experiences? How many folks here use Windows (or Mac o/s) on the same machine as a linux distribution? Do you dual-boot or do you virtualize? My brother was dual booting between Windows and Debian, mainly due to

Re: who uses dual boot? [was: How to start using a free OS]

2013-11-12 Thread Joe
On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 08:32:55 -0500 Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: But, having said that, when one really uses two operating systems on the same machine, I expect it's more common to run one under virtualization, so you can run both at the same time - dual booting is a

Re: who uses dual boot? [was: How to start using a free OS]

2013-11-12 Thread José Silva
On 12/11/13 13:32, Miles Fidelman wrote: Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2013-11-12 at 23:01 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Install a Linux and call it Windows 2014 - super professional special admin edition and this kind of user will have no issue, call it Linux and they will ask you to remove it

Re: who uses dual boot? [was: How to start using a free OS]

2013-11-12 Thread Nemeth Gyorgy
2013-11-12 14:32 keltezéssel, Miles Fidelman írta: That's a very interesting point, but I wonder if it's true. There are real-world reasons to run both windows on linux on the same machine (personal example: running Linux on my laptop for development and demonstrations; running Windows for

Re: who uses dual boot? [was: How to start using a free OS]

2013-11-12 Thread Neal Murphy
On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 03:06:23 PM Nemeth Gyorgy wrote: 2013-11-12 14:32 keltezéssel, Miles Fidelman írta: That's a very interesting point, but I wonder if it's true. There are real-world reasons to run both windows on linux on the same machine (personal example: running Linux on my

Re: who uses dual boot? [was: How to start using a free OS]

2013-11-12 Thread Shane Johnson
I have to dual boot my laptop and home computer. As I prefer to run Debian as my desktop, there are some things that just aren't worth he hassle of running in a VM since I already have the Windows 7 running. I originally loaded my home system with Windows cause I was gaming at the time and now

Re: who uses dual boot? [was: How to start using a free OS]

2013-11-12 Thread Alois Mahdal
Hi, On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 08:32:55 -0500 Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2013-11-12 at 23:01 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Install a Linux and call it Windows 2014 - super professional special admin edition and this kind of user will have no

Re: who uses dual boot? [was: How to start using a free OS]

2013-11-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2013-11-12 at 21:36 +0100, Alois Mahdal wrote: 1.8GHz dual core and 4G RAM attempting Win XP in VBox for even the most simple tasks was a royal PITA. Then something is fishy. (Also one reason to keep the Win in the dual-boot manner is that I have a valid OEM license there, which I

Re: who uses dual boot? [was: How to start using a free OS]

2013-11-12 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 13/11/13 09:10, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2013-11-12 at 21:36 +0100, Alois Mahdal wrote: 1.8GHz dual core and 4G RAM attempting Win XP in VBox for even the most simple tasks was a royal PITA. Then something is fishy. (Also one reason to keep the Win in the dual-boot manner is that

Re: who uses dual boot? [was: How to start using a free OS]

2013-11-12 Thread José Silva
On 13/11/13 00:26, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 13/11/13 09:10, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2013-11-12 at 21:36 +0100, Alois Mahdal wrote: 1.8GHz dual core and 4G RAM attempting Win XP in VBox for even the most simple tasks was a royal PITA. Then something is fishy. (Also one reason to keep

Re: who uses dual boot? [was: How to start using a free OS]

2013-11-12 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 13/11/13 11:59, José Silva wrote: On 13/11/13 00:26, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 13/11/13 09:10, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2013-11-12 at 21:36 +0100, Alois Mahdal wrote: 1.8GHz dual core and 4G RAM attempting Win XP in VBox for even the most simple tasks was a royal PITA. Then something

Re: who uses dual boot? [was: How to start using a free OS]

2013-11-12 Thread Alois Mahdal
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 00:59:02 + José Silva jsantossi...@hotmail.com wrote: He probably has an OEM SLP license, married to a key in the original machine bios, which won't work in the VM because it obviously has a different bios that doesn't have the key. I think there are ways of overcoming