Re: Problemas con un IDE
On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Antonio Vieiro Varela wrote: ¿Se puede meter el CD en el segundo IDE como maestro? ¿Se obtiene más velocidad teniendo los dos discos duros en el primer IDE o no? Teoría: da lo mismo. Práctica: no da lo mismo. Si el BIOS (o la BIOS, como ustedes dicen ;-) es un poco malo (los chipsets CMD sobresalen aquí) no solo no da lo mismo, ¡sino que el disco duro camina a la velocidad del CD-ROM! Los chipsets nuevos manejan esto a la perfección. En *teoría* el aparato funcionando como maestro debe ser capaz de transferir más rápido que el esclavo, pero usualmente no se observa diferencia con discos iguales... mira en http://www.motherboards.com (creo que así era) para una buena discusión de chipsets y sus ventajas y desventajes... pista: si les ofrecen un chipset 4[43]0[VT]XPro (el Pro es el detalle importante), salgan corriendo como locos... Marcelo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Necesito ayuda
Sin ánimo de polemizar... Santiago Vila writes: On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Jesus M. Gonzalez wrote: [...] Si el sistema base ocupa poco más de 20 Megas, 4 Megas sí es mucho. Desde luego. En ese caso seguramente lo mejor es no tener /sbin, o borrarlo... Pero creo que estaremos de acuerdo en que tener ese tamaño de disco no es la situación más habitual hoy día... [...] Mi argumento es que si el disco falla de forma aleatoria entonces igual le puede tocar estropearse a una biblioteca de enlace dinámico esencial como libc o libreadline que a un ejecutable compilado estáticamente, como fsck. Teniendo en cuenta que la probabilidad de que se estropee un fichero es proporcional a su tamaño, y teniendo en cuenta que los programas compilados estáticamente ocupan bastante más, no se gana gran cosa. Creo que estoy básicamente de acuerdo contigo en casos de fallo de disco duro. Cuando uno se cepilla bibliotecas dinámicas por equivocación, el problema es otro, de todas formas. Si no se hace automáticamente, esto es algo relativamente probable (sobre todo si no sabes casi nada de Linux). Estoy de acuerdo, también, como dices más adelante, que es muy improbable en un sistema que respeta dependencias y similares... Simplemente, siempre me ha asombrado que no se pueda hacer eso *ni como opción*... Puede hacerlo cada uno en su sistema si lo desea, nadie ha dicho que no. Desde luego, desde luego. Esa es una de las ventajas del software libre. Simplemente me sorprende que Debian, en general (y en mi opinión) una distribución excelente y que simplifica mucho la vida del usuario, no proporcione esta opción. Pero entiendo prefectamente que la opción del diskete de arranque es también aceptable... Sólo que el precio a pagar por la soución basada en estáticos, en la mayoría de los casos, es absolutamente despreciable. Y el usuario que no tomó la precaución de hacer el disketito, seguramente la apreciaría... Pero nada, lo dicho, que va en cuestión de gustos, y la diferencia es mínima. Jesus. -- Jesus M. Gonzalez Barahona | Grupo de Sistemas y Comunicaciones tel +3491 624 9458, fax +3491 624 9430 | Departamento de Informatica [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Universidad Carlos III de Madrid http://www.gsyc.inf.uc3m.es/~jgb | c/ Butarque, 15, 28911 Leganes, Spain -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian
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RE: Necesito ayuda
Yo intentaría reinstalar bash y libreadlineg2 (la última versión, no la que hizo que el bash se estropeara) como sea. Bien, ya los he bajado usando W95, para pasarlos a disquetes, ¿se puedes usar copy? Si tuvieras una partición raíz alternativa, se podría usar dpkg con la opción --root=directorio (si estas cacharreando mucho con hamm, esto sería lo mejor). Si, despues de estos se me ha ocurrido (me he acordado de Santa Barbara). Si no, para instalar un .deb a mano puedes descomprimir su contenido con ar x (en otro Debian que tengas a mano) y puedes descomprimir el data.tar.gz que sale sobre el directorio raíz montado en /mnt con el disco de arranque. Ya me dirás, en caso de que tengas que reinstalar (no lo creo), ya hay discos de arranque para hamm, obra de Enrique Zanardi, por cierto, estaría bien tener gente que los pruebe. ¿Valen los disquetes que genera Debian 1.3.1 para hamm? Saludos. Angel Vicente Perez Dpto. Informática KNIPPING ESPAÑA S.A. Tfno. +34-1-6070-311 Fax +34-1-6070-331 e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian
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Apuntarme en lista
¿Como me puedo apuntar a debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org ? ¿ Usando el majordomo ese ? ¿ como se hace ? Saludos, Oscar Ferrero. E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://web.jet.es/~oscarf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Necesito ayuda
On Thu, Apr 23, 1998 at 12:28:46PM +0200, Jesus M. Gonzalez wrote: Sin ánimo de polemizar... Santiago Vila writes: On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Jesus M. Gonzalez wrote: [...] Si el sistema base ocupa poco más de 20 Megas, 4 Megas sí es mucho. Desde luego. En ese caso seguramente lo mejor es no tener /sbin, o borrarlo... Pero creo que estaremos de acuerdo en que tener ese tamaño de disco no es la situación más habitual hoy día... En este caso, los 20 megas no es el tamaño del disco. Es lo que ocupa el sistema base de Debian, o sea, el contenido de los disquetes base14-?.bin (o del fichero base?_?.tgz) que se usan para instalar Debian. Es el conjunto indispensable de herramientas para instalar un sistema Debian. Añadirle 4 megas significaría introducir 2 ó 3 de disquetes más, lo cual a muchos puede parecerle un engorro innecesario. Creo que estoy básicamente de acuerdo contigo en casos de fallo de disco duro. Cuando uno se cepilla bibliotecas dinámicas por equivocación, el problema es otro, de todas formas. Si no se hace automáticamente, esto es algo relativamente probable (sobre todo si no sabes casi nada de Linux). Estoy de acuerdo, también, como dices más adelante, que es muy improbable en un sistema que respeta dependencias y similares... También puedes hacer un rm /sbin/* por equivocación, y quedarte con un sistema inutilizado, por muy estáticas que fuesen ciertas herramientas... Desde luego, desde luego. Esa es una de las ventajas del software libre. Simplemente me sorprende que Debian, en general (y en mi opinión) una distribución excelente y que simplifica mucho la vida del usuario, no proporcione esta opción. Pero entiendo prefectamente que la opción del diskete de arranque es también aceptable... Sólo que el precio a pagar por la soución basada en estáticos, en la mayoría de los casos, es absolutamente despreciable. Y el usuario que no tomó la precaución de hacer el disketito, seguramente la apreciaría... Pero nada, lo dicho, que va en cuestión de gustos, y la diferencia es mínima. Hasta ahora a nadie le ha resultado suficentemente interesante dicha opción como para hacer un paquete ejecutables-compilados-estáticamente- para-rescate. Estoy seguro de que si alguien lo hace y lo manda a la distribución nadie lo rechazará (aunque personalmente pienso que hay soluciones mejores para el mismo problema). Saludos, -- Enrique Zanardi[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apuntarme en lista
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Oscar Ferrero wrote: ¿Como me puedo apuntar a debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org ? ¿ Usando el majordomo ese ? ¿ como se hace ? Le contesto en privado. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: latin1 iQCVAgUBNT9TWCqK7IlOjMLFAQHWswP/cK8HeTv/AiZI9Y2iSKxxKB2z59x4w1pN N2elX74nA4tOocOCdBvQkaGThYlVtPc39xyoXe6UNUx9QtV9CmJoqSOKr14aE4bB vae0Q7dlGHEY2hvUKJhGAcSdBR4MFk8/NIlPENhK0EpVcraHbCPRO5bJqvt5mhz1 hif+G19aRlI= =SwmB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Necesito ayuda
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Jesus M. Gonzalez wrote: Estoy de acuerdo, también, como dices más adelante, que es muy improbable en un sistema que respeta dependencias y similares... Hola. Solamente quiero aclarar que el caso que nos ocupa (el problema inicial de Ángel Vicente) ha sido provocado precisamente por una Pre-Dependencia incorrecta en la versión unstable de Debian. En circunstancias normales, como bash es un paquete marcado como esencial y Pre-Depende de la biblioteca libreadline2 (libreadlineg2 en hamm), ya habría que ser bestia para cargárselo. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: latin1 iQCVAgUBNT9ZLyqK7IlOjMLFAQE1XgP/eTvsD7oTgKloH8VT2U1n0oqW9yWh9bH+ D8AHDPRFhWPb0mwFiPh5r1mgLdrWXJq0tBKgAYPqs4cWaSBHWd555wZCr6OQngq4 hNA4Xb3r25PBMXviaTP76Wb8bG8cfh6CE422JSGJ/Jb1/l3Yeu3j797uytWddNGJ wN+btOpw6Ds= =/k5W -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Discos de arranque
Estoy empezando a descargar paquetes para instalar boot-floppies, veo que mkrboot depende de bash, tengo instalado 2.01.1-1, ¿deberia instalar 2.01.1-2, o con la que esta instalada vale? Saludos. Angel Vicente Perez Dpto. Informática KNIPPING ESPAÑA S.A. Tfno. +34-1-6070-311 Fax +34-1-6070-331 e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Necesito ayuda
Hola. Solamente quiero aclarar que el caso que nos ocupa (el problema inicial de Ángel Vicente) ha sido provocado precisamente por una Pre-Dependencia incorrecta en la versión unstable de Debian. ¿Quiere decir esto, que es posible que este establecida la predependencia en bash de forma incorrecta? En circunstancias normales, como bash es un paquete marcado como esencial y Pre-Depende de la biblioteca libreadline2 (libreadlineg2 en hamm), ya habría que ser bestia para cargárselo. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Necesito ayuda
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Angel Vicente Perez wrote: Hola. Solamente quiero aclarar que el caso que nos ocupa (el problema inicial de Ángel Vicente) ha sido provocado precisamente por una Pre-Dependencia incorrecta en la versión unstable de Debian. ¿Quiere decir esto, que es posible que este establecida la predependencia en bash de forma incorrecta? Sí, estaba mal. Era el Bug#20572: bash: Bash needs a predepends on new libreadline Ya está corregido en la versión 2.01.1-2 de bash. Si tienes interés en saber de qué otras sorpresas te has librado, puedes mirar en http://www.debian.org/Bugs o en cualquiera de sus espejos. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: latin1 iQCVAgUBNT9o+CqK7IlOjMLFAQFqsAP+LbPR2iGIBp5cUP4iTpFkCMteeh5E3u66 VOVpzFs7YpXDg5qJXYB2ZtDRm5vl0cQX/eKkugFCGmhLMjklT/V/rMocdjkZAeVu SSD3xy8yPUnV9idnY9E3WF69OJgW7H2NSebQztekjycIfmqRO7KVXEkjMYtHNKOE OrMR+ceZ6JU= =/brv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fuente ISO y man.config solucionado
Hola, Esta mañana he solucionado las dos cosas. He puesto la variable PAGER=less y he creado un pequeño script que carga la fuente ISO setfont /usr/share/consolefonts/lat1u-16.psf y lo he puesto en /etc/rc.boot Luego, despues de reiniciar, he visto con Lynx el Fuente-ISO-Como de Urko Lusa y ha pasado la prueba de la vocal a mayúscula con tilde perfectamente. Con el emacs también veo las mayúsculas acentuadas. Gracias a todos los que han replicado a mi mensaje. Saludos, José Miguel Gurpegui [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Acceso directo a dispositivos.
On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Antonio Vieiro Varela wrote: [...] Llamadas al sistema... ¿Para qué? ¿conexión a la red? ¿acceso al sistema de ficheros? ¿x11? [...] Me refiero a una listita como las int 21h de DOS, es decir directamerte llamadas al sistema, no rutinas de biblioteca que hacen la llamada como fork() o alarm() (algunas de las que me acuerdo de cuando lei el libro de MINIX de Tannenbaum). pero ahora que lo pienso (se me ocurre recien :) lo puedo averigar mirando las fuentes, siempre olvido que en linux puedo mirar las fuentes :) Saludos. Felipe Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE Problem - try beta4
I finally decided to give KDE another shot. I got the beta4 .deb files and installed them and then went to go look at /opt---these isn't one. The beta4 KDE package is policy-compliant for those who wanted it. KDE looked nice--though I will spend weeks trying to sort out how to make kwm work without annoying me excessively. I would probably much rather use it (KDE) with AfterStep I think, but there is a lot in kwm that isn't in AfterStep and I would need to figure out how to make it work, else I couldn't configure it. I have since installing KDE beta4 .deb's installed AfterStep 1.4 as a .deb (after backing up my old compiled AfterStep 1.0 from before I knew how to make a .deb) AfterStep 1.4 does not look as bad as people say, though I have a feeling it won't be any nicer to KDE than 1.0 was. I'm also not sure I plan on keeping 1.4--I have had some annoyances with it such as needing to teach it about 24bpp (a few symlinks to 16bpp files did this for me) and I really want it to act more like 1.0 did if I can get it to.. Isn't there somewhere a patch for AfterStep to make it KDE-aware? I expect when gnome moves along a little further I will be trying it as well. I don't much like Qt's license, though I am a little more comfortable having it on the system now that it seems to have a brighter future as far as not having Troll Tech pulling an Open Group stunt on us. pgpLnn5LPEl4F.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Which emacs to install?
Can anyone point me to a document that outlines the differences
between the various flavors of emacs?
Read the NEWS file in emacs20. Invoke emacs20, then type C-h C-n.
You could do the same thing in xemacs{19,20}, I assume.
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Re: KDE Problem - try beta4
On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Rev. Joseph Carter wrote: I finally decided to give KDE another shot. I got the beta4 .deb files and installed them and then went to go look at /opt---these isn't one. The beta4 KDE package is policy-compliant for those who wanted it. KDE looked nice--though I will spend weeks trying to sort out how to make kwm work without annoying me excessively. I have been wanting to switch to kde for awhile but I am still not that impressed with beta4. I haven't really put it through any stress, but from watching the kde and kde-user mailing lists, there are still some very basic outstanding problems or missing features. One thing that really caught me off guard is that someone stated that you cannot assign window functions to function keys. Cheers, Colin. -- Colin Telmer, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.telmer.com
Re: Fonts in X [Off Topic]
On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Stephen Carpenter wrote: Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella wrote: Remco Blaakmeer writes: It is probably illegal to use the fonts that come with Windows. Why? If you bought a Windows license, you bought a license for the Windows components, I think. That sounds right to meIt is of course illegal to distribute the font thatcome with windows, well...I havn't actually looked to see if the windows fonts are available on any sort of Free licence... but... What are the chances of Micro$oft using any sort of free licence for anything? Not being legal to use Windows fonts in Linux would be like being illegal to buy Coke and using the jar to carry Oranje Juice... I think a better analogy might be You buy a coke bu tbecause of thelicence agreement you have to drink the whole thing, you can't dump half of it out even if you don't like its flavor To let the X server use the fonts, you can do: $ xset fp+ tcp/localhost:7100 you can also edit /etc/XF86config and add the fontpathunix:7100 (I think thats it don't have the docs in front of me... in any case it is in the xfstt docs from the tarball on sunsite) NB: if you do this..and reboot your machine you MUST run xfstt ...if you do not have xfstt and you have this line in your XF86Config file...then X will refuse to start and exit with an error Yes, I said that in the same post where I mentioned the xset command. And BTW, you are right where you say that xfstt *must* be running if you add the line to XF86Config. I just tried it. If a _directory_ in the fontpath is missing or otherwise invalid, it is deleted from the fontpath. But if a font server is not present, this is considered a fatal error and the X server refuses to load. If you are using xdm to start X and the X server refuses to start, you'll end up with a flashing screen caused by the X server being started over and over again. If you ever encounter such a problem, you can solve it by stopping xdm through a telnet connection or trying to hit Ctrl-Alt-Del at a moment where the X server has stopped and isn't yet being restarted and then booting into single user mode. If nobody objects to it, I'll file bug reports for the following annoyances I have encountered when X is misconfigured: - If the X server fails to start, xdm seems to be restarting it indefinitely. I'd say that if the X server is restarted too often too fast, it should be disabled because it is obviously not working. Just like init disables processes that are respawning too fast. - If there is a non-existing font directory in xfs's config file, this is a fatal error and xfs doesn't start at all, which causes my X server to fail because it can't find its fonts, which is very annoying because I use xdm. - If there is a non-existing font server in the FontPath of an X server, this is a fatal error and it refuses to start, which is annoying like I said above. Of course, if the X server can't find the font 'fixed', it should still fail to start. Remco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fonts in X [Off Topic]
On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella wrote: Remco Blaakmeer writes: You can place the fonts in a subdirectory of /var/ttfonts . You can use any name for that subdirectory. Where you get the fonts is another issue. It is probably illegal to use the fonts that come with Windows. Why? If you bought a Windows license, you bought a license for the Windows components, I think. Not being legal to use Windows fonts in Linux would be like being illegal to buy Coke and using the jar to carry Oranje Juice... Also, if you bought any program that comes with true type fonts (like Corel Draw), you could use them also! I just meant that I didn't know for sure. I can't remember actually reading a license for a commercial application. You could get yourself a CD with a few hundred shareware/freeware fonts, but most of these are very poorly licensed. What do you mean by very poorly licensed? They have no license or the license is ill-formed or very ambiguous. You get the idea. xfstt isn't yet automatically started at boot time. To start it manually, do: # xfstt ... as root. To let the X server use the fonts, you can do: $ xset fp+ tcp/localhost:7100 Thanks for the clues! I finally could see some nice fonts in Netscape... Great! Remco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
gpm stops working
the copy/paste functions of gpm stop working after awhile ... instead of pasting, it selects... ? Restarting gpm works... -Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fonts in X [Off Topic]
On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, George Bonser wrote: On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Remco Blaakmeer wrote: They have no license or the license is ill-formed or very ambiguous. You get the idea. The gist of any Microsoft licenses I have ever read have been along the lines of: This software is owned by Microsoft, not you. You have purchased the right to run it on one machine and make one copy for backup purposes. Yes, but this remark was about the fonts on those font CDs you can buy everywhere for little money. I bet any Microsoft program has a well-formed license. MS has got enough lawyers to come up with good licenses. Remco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
unpacking debian source archives
I need to install the new source-only pine package ... I've got the .orig.tar.gz, the .dsc, and the .diff.gz, and can't seem to get patch to install them. How to I go about this? Is there a dpkg option for it? thanks... Will -- | [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/ | |PGP Public Key: http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/index.html#pgpkey| -- | You think you're so smart, but I've seen you naked | | and I'll prob'ly see you naked again ... | | --The Barenaked Ladies, Blame It On Me | -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: unpacking debian source archives
Will Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I need to install the new source-only pine package ... I've got the .orig.tar.gz, the .dsc, and the .diff.gz, and can't seem to get patch to install them. How to I go about this? Is there a dpkg option for it? `man dpkg-source' (hint: `dpkg-source -x pine*.dsc') -- James -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fonts in X [Off Topic]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella wrote: The point is: they can't demand certain restrictions in the license, even if you signed a contract (which most users even did not). But I'm not a lawyer, and won't speak as if I knew better than I do... That is NOT truethey can require anything..signed or otherwise (ok thats not true, there are a few things the law prevents them from requiring...but even that doesn't mean they in truth can't type it up and send it out) but...there are limits to what they can really hold any power to enforce legally...sorta like a law saying you can't ever wear orange shorts...how do you enforce it inside a persons own home? Yeah! Is there a good reason why xffst is not started in /etc/rc.boot (or something)? I can think of a reason or two...no not really... there is a problem with trying to stop it (without using kill-all) and you can't sync it whjile it runs... other than that...no I think it should be started on startup BTW, can you help me in (finally) better understanding the True Type files? I will try :) There are *.ttf True Type FOnt *.fon Old Style bitmapped font *.ttr *.for NFI on these two Thanks a lot. No problem :) - -Steve -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNT56kXxvn0zebBV9AQEOLwQApDYUzT7pq2tSedYbaOT9WtSLN1Mq5ues QahMWYcTszl6ZMhRuzq+UdPGsGn3fxt2zlL3IAP7ljLwFi+wKqQeZgiOD7CAmKHK gJmvoykVZboJVu7QrX4xnOi9HNjCfVHQvpxMdm1wZDWcVgnAr3StTKZB+PMntc2i PIf6W+RG+2U= =J8vl -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why?
On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, C.J.LAWSON wrote: What? Do they forbid sending e-mail with bogus To: headers? I am once again baffled by the stupidity of USA laws regarding electronic (1) Why would anyone intentionally want to send email to a bogus header? to wreak havoc?? ... to bounce spam messages??? (2) I wish you knew how much hassle bogus headers cause on servers But many read-only mailing lists (e-zines) are using a bogus To: header. They work because in the smtp 'RCPT TO:' command they use the actual (working) address of the recipient, but the To: header is still bogus. I now know that it is not bogus headers that are forbidden, but I would still think of it as very stupid if any state or nation would forbid them just because they are bogus. And yes, I think I know how much hassle bogus headers can cause on mail servers. Just think of all those people with some sort of -nospam- in their return address. And if they really want to use it, they should put it in the domain part and not in the username part of the address, because an invalid domain causes much less hassle than an invalid username. Remco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Which emacs to install?
Can anyone point me to a document that outlines the differences between the various flavors of emacs? Do we expect to have an emacs19 package in time for the 2.0 release? Bob -- _ |_) _ |_ Robert D. Hilliard[EMAIL PROTECTED] |_) (_) |_) Palm City, FL USAPGP Key ID: A8E40EB9 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE Beta-4 with bo?
On Wed, Apr 22, 1998 at 04:22:08PM +0200, Heiko R. Selber wrote: I heard that the new KDE Beta-4 was released. Unfortunately, it seems that the .deb packages exist only in hamm. Is that true, or did someone make new KDE packages for bo? If so, where can I get them? I saw a bo directory on the ftp mirror. I didn't go in it (run hamm here) but I did see the dir. The pacakges are debianized too, not just in .deb form. pgpLw2pms93y3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: New imap saves all mail to $HOME/mbox ????
On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, George Bonser wrote: On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Colin Telmer wrote: You are thinking about POP3 ... a completely different protocol. With IMAP you mail never leaves the server. I don't think so - from fetchmail(1): -k, --keep (Keyword: keep) Keep retrieved messages on the remote mailserver. Normally, messages are deleted from the folder on the mailserver after they have been retrieved. Specifying the keep option causes retrieved messages to remain in your folder on the mailserver. This option does not work with ETRN. It claims to work with all protocols except ESMTP/ETRN. Come to think of it, I also use imap for fetching mail to my PalmPilot, and it allows me to leave messages on my server. Cheers, Colin. -- Colin Telmer, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.telmer.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fonts in X [Off Topic]
On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Stephen Carpenter wrote: On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella wrote: Yeah! Is there a good reason why xffst is not started in /etc/rc.boot (or something)? I can think of a reason or two...no not really... there is a problem with trying to stop it (without using kill-all) and you can't sync it whjile it runs... other than that...no I think it should be started on startup start-stop-daemon uses a pid-file that stores the PID of the running daemon so it knows which program to stop later. And 'xfstt --sync' causes xfstt to sync with the fonts in /var/ttfonts. So there is not really a problem here. BTW, can you help me in (finally) better understanding the True Type files? I will try :) There are *.ttf True Type FOnt *.fon Old Style bitmapped font *.ttr *.for NFI on these two Another one: *.fot Used by Windows 3.x to store some information about TT fonts. There should be one for every *.ttf file. Remco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unidentified subject!
On Wed, Apr 22, 1998 at 03:36:40PM -0400, Daniel Martin at cush wrote: (I've replied to debian-user instead of debian-devel because this really belongs on -user) Ian Keith Setford [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yo- I would like suggestions and input on how to sell Debian in the sense of Debian versus RedHat, FreeBSD, or any other distribution. I will attempt to persuade a small committee of faculty to install Debian on a yet to be purchased machine. The machine is an experiment at my university to see if a select group of students can successfully administer a machine. I have my own views of why Debian is better and honestly I love it to death but the marketing and X-based configuration of RedHat seem to be weighing against me. I am also aware of a notion that FreeBSD is somewhat more secure than linux which I must also combat. Here some add-ons to Daniel comments: FreeBSD vs Debian: FreeBSD are more stable than Linux but if you stick with the last-really stable kernel (like 2.0.32 currently) this not happen. Real unstability doesn't happen if you well administrated your machine and not doing the 'latest is the best' scheme. Linux are more software port on it. I run Linux here with all I need for my school work (I'm in electrical engineering), publishing (I wrote a lot for a journal), personal budget and drawing. Don't need Windows or even DOS. [OK, needs a little more games (not that much, I have great fun with Koules and FreeCiv) but that doesn't matter for you, I think ;) ] Debian upgrade are less trouble, don't have to cvs co and recompiled everything. RedHat vs Debian: The Debian policy get you with a warranty (don't take my word for legal stuff, please!), that all packages will not conflict with each other (at least if they aren't mark as conflicting :), follow mostly the same scheme for configuration (in /etc/), documentation (/usr/doc/[copyright,changelog]), Menuing, etc. (that's what policies is for, not?). You'll get something like that only with the official RedHat distribution (who contains much less packages than Debian). Any other rpm package should be check carefully. Debian follow the DFSG policy that garanty your organization to not be sued if it installs a package from the main distribution (or even contrib!). Checking for non-free packages are easy because the copyright are in /usr/doc/package/copyright [ command: dpkg --fsystarfile package.deb | tar -xOf - usr/doc/package/copyright | less ] With RedHat, no policy make such a garantee [although they try to warn about some troublesome package] Although the first installation of RH is easier, Debian is no trouble if you already know it (you will know it), and have lot of Documentation on how to get started on the web site. As pointed by Daniel, X are easier in RH but only if it can do good stuff with XSetup ( on my computer, XF86Setup don't work, making the old RH installation [who try to do all in X] a real pain. ). A well documented monitor and a well known card (to get help on usenet) are a more certain solution to get a less trouble setup. Debian has a better upgrade comportement (upgrading RH can be a real pain because lot of conflict and depenencies aren't detect), and Debian 2.1 will have apt who has a better interface (IMO) than glint (both curses and X!!). If you can with a little less than 4 months (we hope), you'll see why Debian is better in the long run... Finally, also in the future Debian 2.1, you can ksysv and kuser (in the kdeadmin package), who duplicate most of the RH tools (even NT one!). [Already present and work well, just need to have the level option). But may be we will get the CHAOS tool integrated in Debian who will let you configure your system even more easily! Hope this help you a bit to advocate Debian. Please also, stay on fact: Debian are easier to maintained (administration aren't far away) Debian follow a very strict policy that every package must follow The bug tracking system is a good support. The Distribution are the only one to promote entirely Open Source and Open Development. -- Fabien Ninoles Running Debian/GNU Linux E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WebPage: http://www.callisto.si.usherb.ca/~94246757 WorkStation [available when connected!]: http://nightbird.tzone.org/ RSA PGP KEY [E3723845]: 1C C1 4F A6 EE E5 4D 99 4F 80 2D 2D 1F 85 C1 70 pgp7gtFsCaMX9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: PINE Debian Package
On Mon, Apr 20, 1998 at 04:15:53PM -0700, George Bonser wrote: : Mutt is, at best, a very weak replacement for Pine. As for text email : clients, Pine has no equal and is free enough for most uses. If Debian : is going to start producing a crappy distribution just because it is free, : I will pay for one that is not. Weak? Uh, many of us feel that mutt is quite an order of magnitude better. I am among those who feel this way. Why is mutt better? 1) Native support for Maildir format mailboxen 2) *much* more configurable than pine 3) Doesn't have the nasty habit of wanting to post to a newsgroup when someone replies (not follows) to your article 4) Doesn't try to pass itself off as a second rate newsreader 5) Support for color 6) Support for threaded discussions (great for mailing lists!) 7) It's less filling: /home/jcostom$ ls -l /usr/local/bin/pine -rwxr-xr-x 1 root users 1193128 Jan 17 12:47 /usr/local/bin/pine /home/jcostom$ ls -l /usr/local/bin/mutt -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mail 320948 Mar 15 22:44 /usr/local/bin/mutt -- Jason Costomiris | Linux... [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Find out what you've been missing http://www.jasons.org/~jcostom/ | while you've been rebooting Windows NT. #include disclaimer.h | --Infoworld -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Fetch Mail Problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- You can fix this by following the instructions in the man page for fetchmail... Either create an entry with your name and password on the remote machine in your .netrc file, or use a line similar to the following in a .fetchmailrc file in your home directory: poll remoteserver.com protocol POP3 username remoteuser password mypass is localuser here Scott D. Killen http://www.skillsoft.com - -Original Message- From: Graham Lillico +44 1785 248131 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 1998 4:43 AM To: Debain User Mailing List (Reply requested) Subject: Fetch Mail Problem Importance: Low Sensitivity: Personal Hi, I am trying to get fetchmail to get my mail from my isp, exept everytime I use it (i.e. fetchmail -u mailname hostname), I get an error from fetchmail saying something about my local user name being different than my isp mail name, How can i correct this? Regards Graham - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNT6RZwrrqzzf5TWxAQFA6wP/eVPT1jc9x3Pu/vFKlIAAGJ3gq/LacAXT x0fYFmSBcZ4P7ZCzqC5b+8Pzhpz46e9CbvYBHIzfwgubo2bfo7P1CNqTO/pezaim El4AS3MVLYLBXEzz+6ySX8/3Gm3DMXRs322/M6JCl2ZuloA9pL8mdoiWPlqLA1Nm J24gvIuO5bc= =ziwG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Telnet Proxy anyone?
Are you sure there is none? I recently saw a computer (one of the firewall machines) where I get a telnet-like prompt when I did telnet to the machine. Then I issue a open host port command and have a telnet session across our firewall. i know wingate supports a telnet proxy ... i suspect that there must be other platforms/applications which support this, but i am unaware of any for unix/linux. adam. Internet Alaska - 4050 Lake Otis Adam Shand(v) +1 907 562 4638 Anchorage, AlaskaSystems Administrator (f) +1 907 562 1677 - http://larry.earthlight.co.nz -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PINE Debian Package
On Wed, Apr 22, 1998 at 04:40:12PM -0700, George Bonser wrote: : On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Jason Costomiris wrote: : : 1) Native support for Maildir format mailboxen : : and that is better? Yes. I'm one of those nuts who believes in reliable delivery with an NFS mounted mail spool. :-) Also much more resilient, and less prone to corruption and message loss. : 2) *much* more configurable than pine : : But is missing some key items. : : Put another way. If you have to support a couple of hundred relative unix : clueless, I would rather they use pine than mutt. I will admit that it : has sveraql months since I last took a look at it, I am willing to have : another look. If they indeed are unix clueless, it will take forever for them to fathom the idea of a VTY. I can hear it now... pine? Do I get that through FTP or is it that telenet thingamajig? If they are indeed unix clueless, you'll run a POP or IMAP server and give them their pretty Windoze or Mac mailers. -- Jason Costomiris | Linux... [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Find out what you've been missing http://www.jasons.org/~jcostom/ | while you've been rebooting Windows NT. #include disclaimer.h | --Infoworld -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Does someone heard about Interbase on Linux?
On Wed, Apr 22, 1998 at 01:27:04PM -0300, Leonardo Ruoso wrote: I want to test RDBMS for Linux... Does someone knows somethinig about Interbase and Linux? Apparently a version 4.0 is coming out for Linux in the next week or so -- I read this on c.o.l.a. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. http://hamish.home.ml.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
supported hardware: Alpha??
Can Debian run on DEC Alpha platform?? Where can I get the Alpha version of Debian?? Thanks!!
Re: Bug#21412: tob deletes system files
Tim 2. I notice there is currently no mention of bug#21412 in the Tim bug-tracking system. Will this bug be considered closed? Yes, I closed it via a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please chill out a little and read the emails you got yesterday. I released tob_0.14-5 yesterday This means that 0.14-4 is gone. Vanished. Nothing left. [ It's still in the mirrors, but no longer on master.debian.org and will be replaced in the mirrors. ] Dirk, I read the emails (and replied to you, I believe)... my question as to whether tob_0.14-4.deb would be removed from Debian download sights was sincere. Not being a Debian developer, I have no way of knowing that uploading tob_0.14-5 implies tob_0.14-4 is gone, vanished, nothing left. That is why I asked. Are you happy ? With tob_0.14-4 no longer available for download, I am happy. If I spend my time tracking down and reporting a bug that has the potential to wipe out someones system, and the response I get for doing so if there is a next time is to chill out, I will not be happy. I adopted a better fix upon a suggestion from a fellow developer and made tob depend explicitly on debianutils. Ie you cannot run it without having debianutils installed. This is good. I am sorry for the grieve that the package caused you. In retrospect, I should have added the dependency on debianutils in tob_0.14-4 when tempfile was added for safer creation of temporary files. You helped us in finding the bug, and hence helped other users from being bitten by it. Thanks ! Ok, let's consider the issue closed. - Tim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fonts in X [Off Topic]
On Wed, Apr 22, 1998 at 02:42:16PM -0700, George Bonser wrote: They have no license or the license is ill-formed or very ambiguous. You get the idea. The gist of any Microsoft licenses I have ever read have been along the lines of: This software is owned by Microsoft, not you. You have purchased the right to run it on one machine and make one copy for backup purposes. And that's one of their more liberal licenses pgpmrkmzz7Oks.pgp Description: PGP signature
resolver, hamm and dynamic PPP
I'm having a problem getting the resolver to work properly. Currently, when the PPP connection is down, the /etc/hosts file is used for hostname lookups. When connected to the network only the nameserver seems to be used - that is, executing a command such as telnet or ping on a name in the /etc/hosts file results in an unknown host error. Following are some of the pertinent config files. BTW, this worked with fine with bo before the upgrade to hamm. - /etc/resolv.conf - domain pacificnet.net nameserver 207.171.0.10 nameserver 198.186.216.130 - /etc/host.conf - order hosts,bind multi on /etc/networks loopback127.0.0.0 Thanks, Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: unpacking debian source archives
On Wed, Apr 22, 1998 at 06:47:41PM -0400, Will Lowe wrote: I need to install the new source-only pine package ... I've got the .orig.tar.gz, the .dsc, and the .diff.gz, and can't seem to get patch to install them. How to I go about this? Is there a dpkg option for it? Move the three files in to a directory (/usr/src/pine-src) where you can get at them. Run dpkg-source -x dsc file name and it'll unpack and patch everything for you. Then change the the directory it just created (/usr/src/pine-src/pine-3.96L/) and type dpkg-buildpackage -B -uc. Go get yourself a soda or something. When you get back cd .. and ls *.deb. There will be 3 files, pine, pico, and pilot. You need pine if you want mail. You need pico if you want the pico editor seperately available, and pilot if you want the file manager seperately available from pine. dpkg -i file.deb will install a package for you. If you want everyting just dpkg -i *.deb and it'll ... install everyting. = pgpcPHYFAaVr1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: PINE Debian Package
On Wed, Apr 22, 1998 at 08:00:12PM -0400, Jason Costomiris wrote: : Mutt is, at best, a very weak replacement for Pine. As for text email : clients, Pine has no equal and is free enough for most uses. If Debian : is going to start producing a crappy distribution just because it is free, : I will pay for one that is not. Weak? Uh, many of us feel that mutt is quite an order of magnitude better. I am among those who feel this way. Why is mutt better? I'll agree with that---with some caveats... 1) Native support for Maildir format mailboxen This is the biggest reason I didn't give up on mutt. Pine CAN support them, but the support is more a kludge right now. 2) *much* more configurable than pine and *much* *HARDER* to configure than pine. Frustrated me to no end, really. Finally someone sent me a .muttrc that was close to what I wanted and I've been able to figure the rest out. 3) Doesn't have the nasty habit of wanting to post to a newsgroup when someone replies (not follows) to your article 4) Doesn't try to pass itself off as a second rate newsreader I actually used pine's newsreader one time. Liked it, was fast and simple. But then, spam took over usenet and pine just CAN'T keep up. I guess it's not a problem then that I never got pine to WORK with news. 5) Support for color This is as much a curse as a benefit, though it's listed as a feature, I have calmed the colors a bit but kept them. 6) Support for threaded discussions (great for mailing lists!) I'll reserve judgement about this being a good or bad thing. It's been handy for mailing lists yes, but I would like to disable it other places. It's probably possible to do it--don't ask me how just yet. 7) It's less filling: /home/jcostom$ ls -l /usr/local/bin/pine -rwxr-xr-x 1 root users 1193128 Jan 17 12:47 /usr/local/bin/pine /home/jcostom$ ls -l /usr/local/bin/mutt -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mail 320948 Mar 15 22:44 /usr/local/bin/mutt You CLEARLY use maildir, doncha? pgpAzzgTKuq5l.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Bug#21412: tob deletes system files
[ You edited citations and appended/deleted material without showing that you did so. That is considered to be very Bad Taste (TM) as it implies that the person who you cited (ie, me) said things in a different context or order. That is bad style. And I am not amused. --edd ] Tim With tob_0.14-4 no longer available for download, I am happy. If I Tim spend my time tracking down and reporting a bug that has the potential Tim to wipe out someones system, ... then you should be happy as you just participated in what lead to Infoworld giving the award for 'Best Support in 1997' to all of us -- the Linux communitty -- by providing the feedback and support needed to improve Linux (Debian in this case). Tim and the response I get for doing so if there is a next time is to Tim chill out, I will not be happy. Slowly, please. I was not trying to paternalise you, I was merely trying to point out that your classification of 'severe, release critical' was a little out of place given that - the bug was already fixed - the bug only occurred because you (unknowingly) pushed the enveloppe by putting an 'unstable' package on 'stable'. Further, and as you had said [ same email, few lines above ] Tim Not being a Debian developer, I have no way of knowing that uploading Tim tob_0.14-5 implies tob_0.14-4 is gone, vanished, nothing left. Again, I recommend that you simply take things a little easier and try to learn how Debian works. It is obvious to everybody but you that uploading a version 1.2-4 of a package replaces version 1.2-3 of the same package. Regards, Dirk -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] According to the latest official figures, http://rosebud.ml.org/~edd 43% of all statistics are totally worthless. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PINE Debian Package
On Wed, Apr 22, 1998 at 11:00:06PM -0400, Colin Telmer wrote: Yes. I'm one of those nuts who believes in reliable delivery with an NFS mounted mail spool. :-) Also much more resilient, and less prone to corruption and message loss. I have been using pine for years (no nfs spool) and have never ever experienceed corruption and mail loss due to pine. message loss to me is more of a mta problem, but that's beside the point. That is exactly the point: The MTA can lose mail. maildir is a format for a mailbox that makes it really hard for the MTA to lose it.. Sendmail will still lose it if you screw up the configuration enough, but. = Currently the only way to use maildir with sendmail is via the (excellent) procmail patch. If they indeed are unix clueless, it will take forever for them to fathom the idea of a VTY. I can hear it now... pine? Do I get that through FTP or is it that telenet thingamajig? If they are indeed unix clueless, you'll run a POP or IMAP server and give them their pretty Windoze or Mac mailers. Weak arguments. Moreover, most of it is subjective. I would prefer that _both_ pine and mutt be available. Let users decide. The only supported mailer at Queen's University is pine. Other places other choices. The emacs mailer vm is great, but do we want to impose people learn emacs to read mail? Basically pine is much more widely used then mutt. I think that even Elm beats out mutt in that regard. so why not _try_ to offer them all (I emphasis try as UoW seems to be making this hard to do with pine - your argument above is valid if the average user has to patch and compile it also:)). I'll agree with that, but there is still a reason why pine is now a source pkg thing. I still say, do it like qmail-src and let people deal with it. I don't mean to fuel the debate, but pine also threads:) Try $ and o while reading debian-user stuff. Mutt's threading is real. Pine tries and does okay much of the time. pgpGLvOC9EvKh.pgp Description: PGP signature
how do I fix hamm and bo conflicts?
I had bo installed. Then I tried to install hamm and my system became unusable. (The hamm installs disks were the old libc version.) I had files from hamm and bo on the system. I decided to reinstall bo. I found that there were duplicate binary files. Sometimes when I would execute a command the hamm command would be found before the bo command. The hamm command was presumably linked with the new libc libraries. How do I determine if a file is from bo, hamm, or from another source? It seems that dpkg -S file_name is not accurate. I tried a dpkg -S ldconfig and nothing was returned. A utility to verify the integrity of a distribution say hamm or bo would be usefull. Today an old problem with telnet reoccurred. While preparing to recompile inetd I found this bit of wisdom in a README file that may apply to my system: Please make sure your header files in /usr/include match your libc version installed in /lib and /usr/lib. If you have weird problems this is the most likely culprit. How do I check this? Now, it seems to me that the only way to fix my system without installing hamm is to start deleting directory trees and reinstall everything. Are there any suggestions on what directories to delete or ways to verify the integrity of bo? Donald Harter Jr. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PINE Debian Package
6) Support for threaded discussions (great for mailing lists!) I'll reserve judgement about this being a good or bad thing. It's been handy for mailing lists yes, but I would like to disable it other places. It's probably possible to do it--don't ask me how just yet. Ask and ye shall receive. Just set the default sort method (I use date-sent), and then override with sort=threads for specific lists. Here's part of my .muttrc for handling mailing lists: mailboxes ! +debian-user +prestige +mutt +debian-devel +debian-pilot +spam lists \ mutt-users \ debian-user \ debian-devel \ debian-pilot \ prestige-users # commands for specific folders # default sort by date, threads for mailing lists folder-hook . set sort=date-sent # everything in the folder cam from the list, so use from address, not list # original'set hdr_format=%4C %Z %[%b %e] %-15.15L (%4l) %s' folder-hook . 'set hdr_format=%4C %Z %[%b %e] %-15.15F (%4l) %s' folder-hook debian-user set sort=threads folder-hook debian-devel set sort=threads folder-hook debian-pilot set sort=threads folder-hook prestige set sort=threads folder-hook mutt set sort=threads -- Lee Bradshaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] (preferred) Alantro Communications [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
finger daemons
Are there any finger daemons available that do not require home directories world readable+executable? I want to beable to have a .pgpkey file in my home directory without being world readable+executable -- it doesn't even have to be suid root, all my home directories are group readable+executable by the www-data group... so the finger daemon could run as guid www-data. I guess for this to be secure, the program would need to copy the file to memory(?), give up its permissions, and then display the file... -Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New imap saves all mail to $HOME/mbox ????
On Wed, Apr 22, 1998 at 06:59:03PM -0400, Colin Telmer wrote: It claims to work with all protocols except ESMTP/ETRN. Come to think of it, I also use imap for fetching mail to my PalmPilot, and it allows me to leave messages on my server. Cheers, Colin. How well does the pilot work with debian? Can you use the cradle? Is there a phone/dayplanner/todo list available for debian that you could sync to? These are the features I thought were available under win95. The questions might give away the fact that I'm just starting my hunt for information. Is the debian-pilot list for this tool or for airplane pilot software or...? I subscribed but haven't received any messages yet. -- Lee Bradshaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] (preferred) Alantro Communications [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PINE Debian Package
Colin Telmer wrote: I have been using pine for years (no nfs spool) and have never ever experienceed corruption and mail loss due to pine. FWIW, I used pine for years, and experienced frequent data loss. (I use mutt now.) -- see shy jo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Can't find bo-hamm upgrade instructions.
Hi, I am currently running a bo system, but want to upgrade to hamm. I think I have read that upgrading to hamm requires special care and involves taking special steps. I was under the impression that there existed documentation that would explain all this, however I have searched a debian mirror site and can't find anything. Could someone please tell me where this information is? Perhaps a link to this information could be included in a prominant place on the debian web site? (Of course it could be that it is staring me in the face and I am just blind :-) Thanks, Mark. __ _\/___\__/___Mark_Phillips___/ \__/_\__/--\__/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ \__/HE___\__/--APTAIN/ \__/_\__/--\__/__/ /__To be is to do.__I. Kant___/ \__/__\__/___/ /__To do is to be.__A. Sartre_/ /__I am.God___/ /__Jesus did.___/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
xloadimage -delay
Any xloadimage people on the list ? I'm playing around with the xloadimage that came with the Deb 1.3.1 distro. According to the man page, xloadimage -delay x image1 image2 imageN, should cycle through images 1 - N leaving each on the screen for x seconds. I can't get it to work. I have to cycle through using the space bar. But, I can do that without the -delay option. Anyone know if this is broken, or what I am doing wrong ? (Although it seems to me that I am following the syntax indicated on the man page.) TIA, Gerald -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xloadimage -delay
G. Crimp wrote: Any xloadimage people on the list ? I'm playing around with the xloadimage that came with the Deb 1.3.1 distro. According to the man page, xloadimage -delay x image1 image2 imageN, should cycle through images 1 - N leaving each on the screen for x seconds. I can't get it to work. I have to cycle through using the space bar. But, I can do that without the -delay option. I just tried and it doesn't work for me either (1.3.1.r6). I use xv for slideshows. The -wait option works as advertised. -- ...RickM... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tob deletes system files - let's kill it
complaints about text omissions here ... then you should be happy as you just participated in what lead to Infoworld giving the award for 'Best Support in 1997' to all of us -- the Linux communitty -- by providing the feedback and support needed to improve Linux (Debian in this case). Yes, and I am in complete agreement with you that as a rule the Linux community does indeed constitute the Best Support in 1997, or for that matter 1998, etc... However, I would have to consider this particular case an exception to the rule, the initial and continuing response I got was far from professional, or even friendly for that matter. I salute you for giving back to the Linux community by maintaining a Debian package. I would suggest that being in a software support position though, whether free software or commercial, involves having respect for your users. I would definintely not consider launching personal attacks against your users on public mailing lists as you have done (see the it is obvious to everybody but you line below), software suppport. more text cut here Tim Not being a Debian developer, I have no way of knowing that uploading Tim tob_0.14-5 implies tob_0.14-4 is gone, vanished, nothing left. some of my text cut here Again, I recommend that you simply take things a little easier and try to learn how Debian works. It is obvious to everybody but you that uploading a version 1.2-4 of a package replaces version 1.2-3 of the same package. Well, as a debian user it is obvious to me that downloading and installing a more recent version of a package replaces a previous version of that package. As far as developers uploading packages, you are exactly right, it was not obvious to me what the process is, that is why I asked as omitted above. Regards, Dirk I am still a firm believer that Bebian is by far the best Linux distribution, and will continue to use and recommend it. I submit that the debian-user list (including myself, and I presume you) is no longer getting anything useful out of this thread, let's kill it. If you must continue posting, go ahead, as for me, I'm done. Good luck, - Tim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
off-topic autofs permissions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hi! I guess this it not a debian related problem, but: I am setting up a small Network with a linux server and some linux, win95 and nt-workstation clients. The clients shall be able to access the cd-rom and zip-drive on the server using autofs. The problem is that the zip drive is mounted as drwxr-xr-x root.root /misc/zip, so windoze clients can´t write on it. I RTFM, but did not find a way to set other permissons. Any ideas someone? Thanks, Ramin. - E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 23-Apr-98 Time: 07:57:53 - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNT7cn/Q9+Dm4/+DZAQG3EAQAnmejyXr6HRAHN71f1LK/ceQ03F39pqes VjKEkak0e+g3Pc43uDVoRef3FU6EQwDqzuiYJJmJ7K4rzjQCclqGxWgEwqSiNx+O t+eHnkkHq7ikTY8J3wjWRhxN+Q/Qhri+pvlxsOejnVWm89KHlmJAnqnmkVNR9p1y a1f6me9DiO4= =NTte -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
More KDE problems
I have finally installed the latest version of kde from hamm. I have two problems 1. there is NO kmail. 2. kfm does not work, when typing kfm nothing happens. -Oz -- NAME Oz Dror, Los Angeles, California EMAIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux since 8/15/94 PHONE Fax (310) 474-3126 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: upgrade to libc6 script?
need the script,i can download it for you (and this apply for anyone on this list who's in the same situation,just mail me if you need it) and send it by e-mail ??? Alain -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can't find bo-hamm upgrade instructions.
Mark Phillips wrote: I am currently running a bo system, but want to upgrade to hamm. I think I have read that upgrading to hamm requires special care and involves taking special steps. I was under the impression that there existed documentation that would explain all this, however I have searched a debian mirror site and can't find anything. Could someone please tell me where this information is? Perhaps a link to this information could be included in a prominant place on the debian web site? Look in Developers' corner (since hamm still isn't released, it is, strictly, for developers rather than users.) -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver PGP key from public servers; key ID 32B8FAA1 Come to me, all you who labour and are heavily laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you shall find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.(Matthew 11: 28-30) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PINE Debian Package (maildir support)
Currently the only way to use maildir with sendmail is via the (excellent) procmail patch. hi, do you (or anyone else) have link for the maildir patch for procmail? i am in the process of tuning a nfs mounted /var/mail and one of the things i am considering is migrating to maildir format. since i would prefer to stick with sendmail as my mta i believe that procmail is really the only alternative for supporting maildir format with sendmail. also i hear that there are maildir patches for cucipop? does anyone have links for this? any help would be much appreciated, thanks, adam. Internet Alaska - 4050 Lake Otis Adam Shand(v) +1 907 562 4638 Anchorage, AlaskaSystems Administrator (f) +1 907 562 1677 - http://larry.earthlight.co.nz -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
chmod not working
i was messing with some permission to directory but i think i found a bug in chmod,i try to run chmod 751 on my home directory (i put the content of the home directory on another partition because of lack of space on my root partition),but the permission is still drwxr-x--x,i even tried to run chmod u=rwx,g=rx,o=x on it to no avail,does all this qualify as a bug ??? p.s.the problem is just an annoyance as i can still access my home dir and run program from there. thanks. Alain -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: chmod not working
i was messing with some permission to directory but i think i found a bug in chmod,i try to run chmod 751 on my home directory (i put the content of the home directory on another partition because of lack of space on my root partition),but the permission is still drwxr-x--x,i even tried to run Isn't that exactly what 751 means? The excute bit is 1, the write bit is 2, and the read bit is 4, so 7=4+2+1=r+w+x, 5=4+1=r+x, 1=x. What's the problem? Eric -- E.L. Meijer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | tel. office +31 40 2472189 Eindhoven Univ. of Technology | tel. lab. +31 40 2475032 Lab. for Catalysis and Inorg. Chem. (TAK) | tel. fax+31 40 2455054 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: off-topic autofs permissions
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi! I guess this it not a debian related problem, but: I am setting up a small Network with a linux server and some linux, win95 and nt-workstation clients. The clients shall be able to access the cd-rom and zip-drive on the server using autofs. The problem is that the zip drive is mounted as drwxr-xr-x root.root /misc/zip, so windoze clients can´t write on it. I RTFM, but did not find a way to set other permissons. Any ideas someone? There are two ways to do this - one is to make the zip drive have an ext2 filesystem instead of a dos one, but then you won't be able to use the zip drive on MS machines. The other is as follows: I assume that in your /etc/fstab you have something like: /dev/sda4/misc/zip vfat noexec0 0 (Or you may have type fat instead of vfat, or you may have some other options instead of noexec (like, say, defaults)) Anyway, what you need to do is make the following change to /etc/fstab: /dev/sda4/misc/zip vfat noexec,umask=0000 0 (If you just had defaults before, you can just replace it with the umask=000 bit) Then everyone will be able to write to /misc/zip. Also, anyone will be able to delete anyone else's files on /misc/zip, and you won't be able to tell who did it - this is because the fat/vfat filesystem can't keep track of who owns what file; attempting to make the directory sticky (like /tmp is) won't work. I suggest that it really might be best to have some other directory, which was set with permissions like /tmp that would be copied onto the zip disk every five minutes or so by a cron job. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
LaTeX installation
Hi, I finally decided to try lerning doing typesetting with LaTeX. I had already installed tetex-packages when I was installing linux, but when I tried to use LaTeX it comlained about missing files. I reinstalled tetex-packages using dselect, but even during installation some files were missing. The packages I installed (or I tried to install:-) were tetex-base0.4pl6-5, tetex-bin0.4ps-6-8, and tetex-extras0.4ps6-4. From the installation error-file (from dpkg) obviosly some files are missing, like texmf.cnf, language.dat... I tried searching for those files but they are not on my hard drive. Perhaps all those files get installed with some other package, but dselect didn't show any dependencies. Anybody knows what am I doing wrong? Thanks for any help in advance Luka The error output from installation of tetexbase, tetexbin, and tetexextra with dpkg/dselect: kpsetool: texmf.cnf not found. texhash: global Kpathsea configurarion file texmf.cnf not found. Please set the environment variable TETEXDIR or TEXMFCNF correctly. For details see the teTeX and the Kpathsea manual kpsetool: language.dat not found. kpsetool: modes.mf not found. kpsetool: texmf.cnf not found. Error opening terminal: generic. /usr/bin/texconfig: /tmp/texconf8717/logfile: No such file or directory kpsetool: texmf.cnf not found. texhash: global Kpathsea configurarion file texmf.cnf not found. Please set the environment variable TETEXDIR or TEXMFCNF correctly. For details see the teTeX and the Kpathsea manual kpsetool: language.dat not found. kpsetool: modes.mf not found. kpsetool: texmf.cnf not found. config_replace: file '^VARFONTS' not found. kpsetool: texmf.cnf not found. texhash: global Kpathsea configurarion file texmf.cnf not found. Please set the environment variable TETEXDIR or TEXMFCNF correctly. For details see the teTeX and the Kpathsea manual kpsetool: texmf.cnf not found. texhash: global Kpathsea configurarion file texmf.cnf not found. Please set the environment variable TETEXDIR or TEXMFCNF correctly. For details see the teTeX and the Kpathsea manual kpsetool: language.dat not found. kpsetool: modes.mf not found. kpsetool: texmf.cnf not found. /usr/bin/texconfig: cd: /web2c: No such file or directory Error opening terminal: generic. /usr/bin/texconfig: /tmp/texconf8793/logfile: No such file or directory kpsetool: texmf.cnf not found. texhash: global Kpathsea configurarion file texmf.cnf not found. Please set the environment variable TETEXDIR or TEXMFCNF correctly. For details see the teTeX and the Kpathsea manual kpsetool: language.dat not found. kpsetool: modes.mf not found. kpsetool: texmf.cnf not found. Error opening terminal: generic. /usr/bin/texconfig: /tmp/texconf8833/logfile: No such file or directory kpsetool: texmf.cnf not found. texhash: global Kpathsea configurarion file texmf.cnf not found. Please set the environment variable TETEXDIR or TEXMFCNF correctly. For details see the teTeX and the Kpathsea manual kpsetool: language.dat not found. kpsetool: modes.mf not found. kpsetool: texmf.cnf not found. config_replace: file '^VARFONTS' not found. kpsetool: texmf.cnf not found. texhash: global Kpathsea configurarion file texmf.cnf not found. Please set the environment variable TETEXDIR or TEXMFCNF correctly. For details see the teTeX and the Kpathsea manual kpsetool: texmf.cnf not found. texhash: global Kpathsea configurarion file texmf.cnf not found. Please set the environment variable TETEXDIR or TEXMFCNF correctly. For details see the teTeX and the Kpathsea manual kpsetool: language.dat not found. kpsetool: modes.mf not found. kpsetool: texmf.cnf not found. /usr/bin/texconfig: cd: /web2c: No such file or directory Error opening terminal: generic. /usr/bin/texconfig: /tmp/texconf8901/logfile: No such file or directory kpsetool: texmf.cnf not found. texhash: global Kpathsea configurarion file texmf.cnf not found. Please set the environment variable TETEXDIR or TEXMFCNF correctly. For details see the teTeX and the Kpathsea manual kpsetool: texmf.cnf not found. texhash: global Kpathsea configurarion file texmf.cnf not found. Please set the environment variable TETEXDIR or TEXMFCNF correctly. For details see the teTeX and the Kpathsea manual kpsetool: language.dat not found. kpsetool: modes.mf not found. kpsetool: texmf.cnf not found. /usr/bin/texconfig: cd: /web2c: No such file or directory Error opening terminal: generic. /usr/bin/texconfig: /tmp/texconf8946/logfile: No such file or directory A message said Requires Windows 95 or better, so I installed LINUX. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: chmod not working
Alain Toussaint [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i was messing with some permission to directory but i think i found a bug in chmod,i try to run chmod 751 on my home directory (i put the content of the home directory on another partition because of lack of space on my root partition),but the permission is still drwxr-x--x,i even tried to run chmod u=rwx,g=rx,o=x on it to no avail,does all this qualify as a bug ??? I think that you must think that 'drwxr-x--x' means something different than it does. Seeing this permission in ls means that the user (owner) of the directory has read, write, and execute privileges, that people in the same group as the owner have read and execute privileges, and that anyone else has only execute privilege. Did you perhaps mistype the above and leave out the word not somewhere? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#21412: tob deletes system files
Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote:
Please chill out a little and read the emails you got yesterday. I released
tob_0.14-5 yesterday which added the following test
cleanup ()
{
message 'Cleaning up.'
# add a safety check here --edd 20 Apr 98, regarding #21412
- if [ $TMPLIST != -a $FILELIST != ] ; then
$RM -f $TMPLIST* $FILELIST*
fi
postcommand
}
Just one minor comment, $TMPLIST and $FILELIST void means problems in
/etc/tob/tob.rc, that can be caused by an incorrect local adaptation.
May be it would worth to add a warning message to the if, and even exit
tob if that situation is found (perhaps this last be too drastical),
something like
cleanup ()
{
message 'Cleaning up.'
# add a safety check here --edd 20 Apr 98, regarding
#21412
if [ $TMPLIST != -a $FILELIST != ] ; then
$RM -f $TMPLIST* $FILELIST*
else
message 'Warning: Empty \$TMPLIST or \$FILELIST. Check
your /etc/tob/tob.rc'
# exit # In this case change above line to error:
fi
postcommand
}
Regards,
--
=
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(U. Politécnica de Madrid) tel: +34 +1 3366536, Fax: +34 +1 3366554,
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PSGML and split documents
Can anyone show me how to make the settings for editing a split document in emacs PSGML mode, please? Document structure: Top level: reference.sgml: !-- reference.sgml - - Postgres User's Reference documentation. - thomas 1998-03-14 - - -- !doctype book PUBLIC -//Davenport//DTD DocBook V3.0//EN [ !entity intro SYSTEM intro.sgml !entity % allfiles SYSTEM ref/allfiles.sgml -+ %allfiles; | | !entity biblio SYSTEM biblio.sgml| !entity contacts SYSTEM contacts.sgml | ] | Book | ... [ all elements here are terminated ] | commands;+ | ... | | | | | | 2nd level: commands.sgml: ---+-+ Chapter TitleCommands/Title Para /Para alterTable; --+ select; | | /Chapter | | 3rd level: alter_table.sgml is the file to be edited.-+ It begins: REFENTRY ID=SQL-ALTERTABLE-1 PSGML documentation says: Using a Split Document You can have the `DOCTYPE' declaration in another file by setting sgml-doctype to the other file. User Option: sgml-parent-document Used when the current file is part of a bigger document. The variable describes how the current file's content fit into the element hierarchy. The variable should have the form (parent-file context-element* top-element (has-seen-element*)?) However, the documentation gives no example and I have not yet found a combination that works. How should I define this, please? -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver PGP key from public servers; key ID 32B8FAA1 Come to me, all you who labour and are heavily laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you shall find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.(Matthew 11: 28-30) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: finger daemons
On Thu, Apr 23, 1998 at 12:26:34AM -0400, Paul Miller wrote: Are there any finger daemons available that do not require home directories world readable+executable? I want to beable to have a .pgpkey file in my home directory without being world readable+executable -- it doesn't even have to be suid root, all my home directories are group readable+executable by the www-data group... so the finger daemon could run as guid www-data. Try to use cfingered. It ought to act with uid of the user when accessing their files. Regards, Joey -- / Martin Schulze * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * 26129 Oldenburg / / http://home.pages.de/~joey/ / Never trust an operating system you don't have source for! / -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SGML, Jade, Docbook -- HELP!!!
Is there anywhere some documentation that enables someone to understand SGML, DSSSL and so on from scratch? I have picked up a fair bit by trial and error, but all the documentation appears to assume knowledge. (For example, it says that you must do so and so without saying how to do it.) This is my immediate problem that I cannot find a way round. I am trying to generate SGML docs for PostgreSQL: $ make reference.html (rm -rf *.htm) jade -D sgml -d /usr/lib/dsssl/stylesheets/docbook/html/docbook.dsl -t sgml reference.sgml jade:/usr/lib/sgml/catalog:43:0:W: DTDDECL catalog entries are not supported jade:/usr/lib/sgml/davenport/docbook.cat:30:0:W: DTDDECL catalog entries are not supported [ The docbook-stylesheets documentation says that this is to be expected: Note, however, that Jade does not understand the DTDDECL directive in catalog files and will issue a warning if you use docbook.cat unchanged. However, it does not say how you should change docbook.cat. ] jade:ref/select.sgml:230:87:E: general entity lt not defined and no default entity jade:ref/select.sgml:230:100:E: general entity gt not defined and no default entity $ env | grep SGML SGML_CATALOG_FILES=/usr/lib/sgml/davenport/docbook.cat:/usr/lib/jade/catalog $ find /usr/lib -name '*.cat' -o -name '*.catalog' | xargs grep general /usr/lib/debiandoc-sgml/sgml.catalog:ENTITY %general-chars entities/general $ find `find /usr/lib/sgml -name '*entit*' -type d` -type f | xargs grep -E 'gt|lt' /usr/lib/sgml/entities/general:!entity gt sdata /usr/lib/sgml/entities/general:!entity lt sdata /usr/lib/sgml/entities/HTMLspecial:!ENTITY lt CDATA #60; -- less-than sign, U+003C ISOnum -- /usr/lib/sgml/entities/HTMLspecial:!ENTITY gt CDATA #62; -- greater-than sign, U+003E ISOnum -- I seem to have definitions that point to lt and gt, so why does jade think they're not defined? jade:/usr/lib/sgml/davenport/docbook.cat:30:0:W: DTDDECL catalog entries are not supported jade:/usr/lib/sgml/davenport/docbook.cat:30:0:W: DTDDECL catalog entries are not supported jade:/usr/lib/sgml/catalog:43:0:W: DTDDECL catalog entries are not supported jade:/usr/lib/sgml/davenport/docbook.cat:30:0:W: DTDDECL catalog entries are not supported jade:/usr/lib/sgml/davenport/docbook.cat:30:0:W: DTDDECL catalog entries are not supported make: *** [reference.html] Segmentation fault (core dumped) Core was generated by `jade -D sgml -d /usr/lib/dsssl/stylesheets/docbook/html/ docbook.dsl -t sgml ref'. Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. find_solib: Can't read pathname for load map: Input/output error (gdb) bt #0 0x80eaec3 in _start () #1 0xbfffe850 in ?? () #2 0x80e29e5 in _start () #3 0x80e1b8d in _start () #4 0x80ea757 in _start () #5 0x80e9643 in _start () #6 0x80e9f06 in _start () #7 0x80e5f64 in _start () #8 0x80e4177 in _start () #9 0x809b271 in _start () #10 0x80e2a2e in _start () #11 0x80e1b8d in _start () #12 0x80e9f06 in _start () #13 0x80e2e6e in _start () #14 0x80e4177 in _start () #15 0x80e6b0b in _start () #16 0x80e6792 in _start () #17 0x80e1ff9 in _start () #18 0x80e9cb6 in _start () #19 0x80e5f64 in _start () #20 0x80e4177 in _start () #21 0x809b271 in _start () #22 0x80e2a2e in _start () #23 0x80e1b8d in _start () #24 0x80e9f06 in _start () #25 0x80e2e6e in _start () #26 0x80e4177 in _start () #27 0x80e6b0b in _start () #28 0x80e6792 in _start () #29 0x80e1ff9 in _start () #30 0x80e5f64 in _start () #31 0x80e4177 in _start () #32 0x809b271 in _start () #33 0x80e2a2e in _start () #34 0x80e1b8d in _start () #35 0x80a2bd7 in _start () #36 0x80a251d in _start () #37 0x8095fae in _start () #38 0x80a5bf8 in _start () #39 0x807cf92 in _start () #40 0x810a3fa in _start () #41 0x807c297 in _start () #42 0x401827e1 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libsp.so.1 #43 0x807be4d in _start () #44 0x401815b9 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libsp.so.1 #45 0x4017ff12 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libsp.so.1 #46 0x8051465 in _start () (gdb) This is a bug, but perhaps it will go away if the other things are sorted out. Versions: docbook 3.0-3 docbook-stylesh 1.07-1 jade1.1-5 sgml-data 0.11 sgml-tools 1.0.5-1 sgml-base 1.01 libc6 2.0.7pre1-4 sp 1.3-1.1-5 gawk3.0.3-0.2 perl5.004.04-5 libstdc++2.82.90.27-0.6 -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver PGP key from public servers; key ID 32B8FAA1 Come to me, all you who labour and are heavily laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you shall find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.(Matthew 11: 28-30) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a
Re: SmartList Trailer
On Tue, Apr 21, 1998 at 04:21:14PM -0400, Mark Sailer wrote: I'm looking to add a trailer to a mail list I'm running. I haven't been able to figure out how to add this. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trailer, you mean like the above? Just add # # Appending a footer to every outgoing mail: # :0 fbw | cat - footer.txt to rc.local.s20 where footer.txt, of course, contains your trailer. The other thing I want to add is in the Subject: I want it to read: [listname] actual_subject This should work if you add :0 fhw | sed 's/Subject: /Subject: [$listname] /' to rc.submit. Please note that the first is tested and the second is untested but just an idea. Regards, Joey -- / Martin Schulze * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * 26129 Oldenburg / / http://home.pages.de/~joey/ / Never trust an operating system you don't have source for! / pgpVlHU09Bl43.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Install disks for PowerPC
On Tue, Apr 21, 1998 at 10:04:07AM -0700, Joel Klecker wrote: i don't think there will be a Debian for the Mac version of the powerPC as Wrong, I am working on just such a thing, powerpc.debian.org is a Motorola StarMax Mac clone of some sort (I'm not clear on the details since the machine is many thousands of miles from me). http://www.infodrom.north.de/Infodrom/tervola.html ^^^ Replace with any hostname in my domain. Regards, Joey -- / Martin Schulze * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * 26129 Oldenburg / / http://home.pages.de/~joey/ / Never trust an operating system you don't have source for! / pgpkQRHBPZiBK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: the FAQ-O-MATIC is down ?????
On Sat, Apr 18, 1998 at 01:49:21PM -0400, Alain Toussaint wrote: i tried to see the FAQ-O-MATIC but the (debian) server keep saying error 404 file not found,where i can see it We had a system crash on the machine that hosts www.debian.org. We have switched DNS back yesterday. So the F-O-M should be available again. Sorry for the inconvenience, Joey -- / Martin Schulze * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * 26129 Oldenburg / / http://home.pages.de/~joey/ / Never trust an operating system you don't have source for! / pgp5YvbjK6ZFN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: off-topic autofs permissions
On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Daniel Martin at cush wrote: [SNIP] /etc/fstab: /dev/sda4/misc/zip vfat noexec,umask=0000 0 (If you just had defaults before, you can just replace it with the umask=000 bit) Then everyone will be able to write to /misc/zip. Also, anyone will be able to delete anyone else's files on /misc/zip You can restrict who should be able to write to the disk by creating a group and add all users that should be able to write to the disk. In my example I allow users in the group fat (gid=108) to write to fat disks. In your /etc/group add a line (you can use any group-id, 108 is just an example): - fat:x:108:userid1,userid2,userid3 - where useridX are the users that should have write access to the disk The entry for the zipdisk in the /etc/fstab would then be: - /dev/sda4 /misc/zip vfat defaults,gid=108,umask=002,quiet 0 0 - Now all files on the zipdisk will get group-id 108 (fat) and all users in that group will be able to write to the disk, but others will only be able to read from the disk. (The access rights will be rwxrwxr-x on all files.) The quiet option will suppress error messages when trying to change the modes on the files. If you want users to be able to mount/unmount disks in your removable media (the zip drive) you should us another set of options in fstab though: - /dev/sda4 /misc/zip vfat noauto,rw,user,exec,dev,suid,async,gid=108,umask=002,quiet 0 0 - With these options every user can mount/umount /misc/zip and the user mounting the disk will be the owner of all the files on the disk. As before all users in group fat will be able to write to the disk as well. If you don't want them to be able to do that, just remove the gid and umask options. Hope this is of any use /Fredrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: chmod not working
I think that you must think that 'drwxr-x--x' means something different than it does. Seeing this permission in ls means that the user (owner) of the directory has read, write, and execute privileges, that people in the same group as the owner have read and execute privileges, and that anyone else has only execute privilege. Did you perhaps mistype the above and leave out the word not somewhere? o,you're all right,while typing this message,i noticed my error,never mind this tread (and i got my lesson,i'll mess with thing like this only when i got a good night),it's been about 18-2X hours that i'm doing without sleeping (and i seriously think this affect my judgement). very sorry. Alain p.s.i was expecting that the permission look like this: drwx-rx--x i know it can't now. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
More KDE problems
Oz Dror writes: I have finally installed the latest version of kde from hamm. I have two problems 1. there is NO kmail. kmail should be in the package kdenetwork, which somehow didn't make its way into hamm, yet. You can get a copy from ftp://julia.exp-math.uni-essen.de/debian/kdenetwork_980328-1_i386.deb for the time being. 2. kfm does not work, when typing kfm nothing happens. kfm is just the background process, use a command like $ kfmclient openURL file:/somedir to open a window on the screen. -- Jens Rosenboom, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ISP setup with IP Masquerading
I'm trying to setup a dialup ppp server using only 1 real internet IP. Is this currently possible using Linux? Currently, I have 2 ethernet adaptors, eth0 is the local network and eth1 is the internet. IP masquerading is working, so eth0 can access the internet through eth1. I also have Bind setup and running correctly. What do I need to do in order to get Linux to assign the dialup user a local ip (192.168.1.x), setup ip masq, and establish a ppp connection? I assume that I need to add entries to the /etc/hosts file and in bind. I'm confused on what IPs need to go into those files.. Here is what I have so far: (I have no idea if any of it is correct) /etc/hosts: 192.168.1.1 ppp1-serv.domain.netppp1-serv 192.168.1.2 ppp2-serv.domain.netppp2-serv /var/named/db.domain.net: servIN A 198.109.162.43 ppp1-serv IN CNAME serv.domain.net. ppp2-serv IN CNAME serv.domain.net. /etc/ppp/options.ttyS1: serv:ppp1-serv /etc/ppp/options.ttyS2: serv:ppp2-serv /etc/ipmasq.conf: EXTERNAL_IP=198.109.162.43 EXTERNAL_NETMASK=255.255.255.224 INTERNAL_IP=( 192.168.100.2 192.168.1.1 192.168.1.2 ... ) INTERNAL_NETMASK=( 255.255.255.0 255.255.255.0 255.255.255.0 ... ) (192.168.100.* is the local network on eth1) Although this configuration may look correct, it is not. Here's a clip of my syslog: kernel: CSLIP: code copyright 1989 Regents of the University of California kernel: PPP: version 2.2.0 (dynamic channel allocation) kernel: PPP Dynamic channel allocation code copyright 1995 Caldera, Inc. kernel: PPP line discipline registered. kernel: registered device ppp0 pppd[316]: pppd 2.3.3 started by LOGIN, uid 0 pppd[316]: Using interface ppp0 pppd[316]: Connect: ppp0 -- /dev/ttyS1 pppd[316]: PAP authentication failure for paul pppd[316]: Connection terminated. pppd[316]: Exit. I _DID_ enter the correct password! Anyone have any ideas or suggestions? Help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, -Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kernel config
A quick question, If I install a kernel source package, and copy an older .config (2.0.30 -- 2.0.33) into the src tree, and rerun make [x|menu]config , will it cause problems??? Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- WinErr: 015 Mouse not found - A mouse driver has not been installed. Please click the left mouse button to continue. --- Debian GNU/Linux Ooohh You are missing out! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: chmod not working
i was messing with some permission to directory but i think i found a bug in chmod,i try to run chmod 751 on my home directory (i put the content of the home directory on another partition because of lack of space on my root partition),but the permission is still drwxr-x--x,i even tried to run chmod u=rwx,g=rx,o=x on it to no avail,does all this qualify as a bug ??? I think you have misunderstood some of what has been said in the replies, doing a chmod u=rwx,g=rx,o=x or chmod 751 on a directody will give it the permissions of drwxr-x--x as you say it has, so to me it looks like chmod had done what you asked. It may help us if you told us what you had the permissions set to before you tried to change them, and what you expect the result of the chmod command to be. Regards Graham p.s.the problem is just an annoyance as i can still access my home dir and run program from there. thanks. Alain -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel config
On Thu, Apr 23, 1998 at 11:13:56PM +1200, Michael Beattie wrote: A quick question, If I install a kernel source package, and copy an older .config (2.0.30 -- 2.0.33) into the src tree, and rerun make [x|menu]config , will it cause problems??? No. You might want to run make oldconfig though, which only asks you about options that weren't in your old .config . HTH, Ray -- Obsig: developing a new sig -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PINE Debian Package
On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Joey Hess wrote: Colin Telmer wrote: I have been using pine for years (no nfs spool) and have never ever experienceed corruption and mail loss due to pine. FWIW, I used pine for years, and experienced frequent data loss. (I use mutt now.) Maybe I have too but just haven't noticed:) Seriously, how does this manifest itself? Cheers, Colin. -- Colin Telmer, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.telmer.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
kernel patch
I saw that kernel ver 2.0.33 is vulnerable by overdrop. Is kernel_image-2.0.33-3.deb patched for this ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
super-strange linux behavior
I run a DOS BBS under dosemu, with linux kernel 2.0.32. Occasionally the BBS corrupts its message database (due to bad design of DOS, poor software etc). I don't mind that so much on FAT, it's just normal. But today it happened, and look at this: /bbs_d/ra$ ls -l msg* -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2032293239 Apr 23 14:31 msghdr.bbs -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 13229056 Apr 23 20:46 msgidx.bbs -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 406 Apr 23 10:08 msginfo.bbs -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root0 Dec 1 1996 msginfo.fml -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 158740480 Apr 23 20:46 msgtoidx.bbs -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7566592 Apr 23 10:08 msgtxt.bbs /bbs_d/ra$ /bbs_d/ra$ df . Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on /dev/hdb1 689829 6889740100% /local Even Linux is believing the super-large file sizes. One of those files is 2gb, yet the disk is only 700mb (as df shows). e2fsck didn't find anything except a few minor block free bits wrong, and afterwards those files are just as big! The file system for this is e2fs, too. Ideas? Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. http://hamish.home.ml.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel config
On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 1998 at 11:13:56PM +1200, Michael Beattie wrote: A quick question, If I install a kernel source package, and copy an older .config (2.0.30 -- 2.0.33) into the src tree, and rerun make [x|menu]config , will it cause problems??? No. You might want to run make oldconfig though, which only asks you about options that weren't in your old .config . thanks :) just what I was hoping... One thing, If I do a make [x|menu]config, It will give me all the options though right?? (You have confused me over make oldconfig) Oh and I am compiling it for the fat32 support which is in 2.0.33 right? I didn't misread a post somewhere? YAFQ: I got the .deb from the hamm tree, It will work in bo?? (I love acronyms... esp. when you make them up yourself.. :) ) I am only asking these questions to confirm my beliefs which I have read from the list. :) thanks again :) Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- BIT: Past tense of BYTE. --- Debian GNU/Linux Ooohh You are missing out! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: super-strange linux behavior
In debian-user Hamish Moffatt wrote: /bbs_d/ra$ ls -l msg* -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2032293239 Apr 23 14:31 msghdr.bbs ... /bbs_d/ra$ df . Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on /dev/hdb1 689829 6889740100% /local Even Linux is believing the super-large file sizes. One of those files is 2gb, yet the disk is only 700mb (as df shows). e2fsck didn't find anything except a few minor block free bits wrong, and afterwards those files are just as big! The file system for this is e2fs, too. It's called holes in the files. Do an 'ls -ls'. Often seen on core dumps. -- #include std_disclaim.h Lorens Kockum You'll notice that this scanner, Bill - BSOD Whoa... Applause Moving Right Along. (Presentation of MS-Windows 98 (Comdex, CNN)) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel config
On Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 12:51:28AM +1200, Michael Beattie wrote: [kernel config] No. You might want to run make oldconfig though, which only asks you about options that weren't in your old .config . thanks :) just what I was hoping... One thing, If I do a make [x|menu]config, It will give me all the options though right?? (You have confused me over make oldconfig) Yes; it'll just take the defaults from your old config. Oh and I am compiling it for the fat32 support which is in 2.0.33 right? It's not in 2.0.33 as distributed on ftp.kernel.org; it has been patched into the Debian 2.0.33 kernel source package. YAFQ: I got the .deb from the hamm tree, It will work in bo?? I don't know. bo is fairly old; a lot of things have changed in hamm. However, it doesn't hurt to try. Ray -- Cyberspace, a final frontier. These are the voyages of my messages, on a lightspeed mission to explore strange new systems and to boldly go where no data has gone before. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: off-topic autofs permissions
On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Fredrik Ax wrote: In your /etc/group add a line (you can use any group-id, 108 is just an example): - fat:x:108:userid1,userid2,userid3 - where useridX are the users that should have write access to the disk Better use: adduser userid groupid Cheers, Joost -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISP setup with IP Masquerading
Paul Miller wrote: I'm trying to setup a dialup ppp server using only 1 real internet IP. Is this currently possible using Linux? Yes it is. It has its limitations but it can be done. /etc/hosts: /var/named/db.domain.net: /etc/ppp/options.ttyS1: serv:ppp1-serv /etc/ppp/options.ttyS2: serv:ppp2-serv /etc/ipmasq.conf: (192.168.100.* is the local network on eth1) Although this configuration may look correct, it is not. Here's a clip of my syslog: kernel: CSLIP: code copyright 1989 Regents of the University of California kernel: PPP: version 2.2.0 (dynamic channel allocation) kernel: PPP Dynamic channel allocation code copyright 1995 Caldera, Inc. kernel: PPP line discipline registered. kernel: registered device ppp0 pppd[316]: pppd 2.3.3 started by LOGIN, uid 0 pppd[316]: Using interface ppp0 pppd[316]: Connect: ppp0 -- /dev/ttyS1 pppd[316]: PAP authentication failure for paul pppd[316]: Connection terminated. pppd[316]: Exit. I _DID_ enter the correct password! It looks lik epap authentication is where the problem lieshave you tried it any other ways? I could never get pap working with an ISP I wanted to connect too once and had to drop them because i was never able to connect. all of the files above look fine (as far as I recognize them anyway) I would go over the PPP option son both boxes and particularly the pap parts witha fine toothed comb is it possible to disable all authentications (screw passwords just get connected) make sure the rest of the setup works and sthen work on authentication -Steve Anyone have any ideas or suggestions? Help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, -Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mail and nfs
Hi,
I have an HP-UX mail server and a bunch of debian machines. The debian
machines can send mail and it all gets forwarded to the HP. But I can't
read mail on the debian machines. The gid for mail on the hp is 6,
but on debian it is 8. I was trying to mount /var/mail from the hp
to /var/spool/mail on debian. But elm/mutt can't file lock the inbox
because of the group id permissions. I've thought of a few workarounds,
does anyone have any comments on these?
Make all MUAs setgid disk (6 on debian). Unfortunately, this will
need to be redone whenver an MUA is upgraded. The MUA will be able
to access the inbox as group mail on the hp. Folders in users' home
directories should be accessible without problems.
Drawbacks: not permanent, security issues?
Somehow remap the gid's when mounting the drive, but this doesn't seem
to be available for nfs.
Change the hp mail system to use 8 for group mail
find / -group mail -print
check that I really want to change all these files
change group mail from 6 to 8
find / -group mail -exec chown :mail {} \;
Any suggestions?
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Re: `From' line (Re: exim mutt, weird)
I wrote: I have a procmail recipe to catch the Debian mailing list traffic : :0 * ^From [EMAIL PROTECTED] debian It fails on mail from a few users, for which the `From' line is not the Debian mailing list: Rev. Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nils Rennebarth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Norbert Veber [EMAIL PROTECTED] My recipe is now: :0 * ^X-Mailing-List: debian-user@lists.debian.org debian :0 * ^From [EMAIL PROTECTED] debian But I still get messages that fail these tests from: Colin Telmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rev. Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] However, the full headers don't look like they came from the mailing list! There's no X-Mailing-List line at all! e.g. -- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lauimls09.qc.dfo.ca ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [142.130.48.235]) by mixing.qc.dfo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA13085 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:36:42 -0400 Received: from 142.130.21.130 by msg2.dfo-mpo.gc.ca with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1458.49) id J3L84S32; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 23:24:59 -0400 Received: (qmail 1345 invoked by uid 38); 23 Apr 1998 03:21:06 - Received: (qmail 1324 invoked from network); 23 Apr 1998 03:21:03 - Received: from 1cust243.tnt6.krk1.da.uu.net (HELO icarus2.dyn.ml.org) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by murphy.novare.net with SMTP; 23 Apr 1998 03:21:03 - Received: (qmail 22824 invoked by uid 1000); 23 Apr 1998 03:20:59 - Message-ID: Ep2NvB.A.7U.iOrP1@murphy From: Rev. Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Debian Users List debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Fonts in X [Off Topic] Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 23:20:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary= =_NextPart_000_01BD6E66.E73DC860 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. -- Can anyone compare this recent message and tell me whether it looks the same to them (no X-Mailing-List header)? -- Peter Galbraith, research scientist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maurice Lamontagne Institute, Department of Fisheries and Oceans Canada P.O. Box 1000, Mont-Joli Qc, G5H 3Z4 Canada. 418-775-0852 FAX: 775-0546 ** New E-Mail. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is cut off ** -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PINE Debian Package
On Wed, Apr 22, 1998 at 11:06:47PM -0700, George Bonser wrote: As for the source package thing, if the binary generated by the user is exactly the same as the binary that would be provided in a .deb, what is the point? It seems like a lot of extra work that changes absolutely nothing. Maybe I am a Rebel Without a Clue on this but it sure seems like a classic case of cranial rectosis to me. As I understand it, the license forbids distribution of a modified source or binary, but allows the distribution of patch files. Adam Klein -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: `From' line (Re: exim mutt, weird)
[...] However, the full headers don't look like they came from the mailing list! There's no X-Mailing-List line at all! [...] Can anyone compare this recent message and tell me whether it looks the same to them (no X-Mailing-List header)? My copy of it has an X-Mailing-List, just like the other messages. However, you might have this problem with messages that are sent to you directly via To:, CC:, or BCC:, since they might not have passed through the list. In fact, the message you cited doesn't say that it was ever Received: by murphy.debian.org (the mailing list server), so I don't really know what's going on with that. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail and nfs
Am Thu, 23 Apr 1998 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lee Bradshaw): > Make all MUAs setgid disk (6 on debian). Unfortunately, this will > need to be redone whenver an MUA is upgraded. No, not in Debian, see suidregister(8). > Change the hp mail system to use 8 for group mail I have here a bunch of NextStep-Systems, one Debian/Linux machine and two IBM RS/6000 running AIX 4.1. I made a new group xmail (111) and set the shared /var/spool/mail and all allowed MUAs and MTAs to that group. You have to check if all these use dot-locking though. --- Harald Schueler Universitaet Essen Tel +49-201-183-2456/2558 Fachbereich 7Fax +49-201-183-2120 45117 EssenE-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PINE Debian Package
On Wed, Apr 22, 1998 at 11:06:47PM -0700, George Bonser wrote: As for the source package thing, if the binary generated by the user is exactly the same as the binary that would be provided in a .deb, what is the point? It seems like a lot of extra work that changes absolutely nothing. Maybe I am a Rebel Without a Clue on this but it sure seems like a classic case of cranial rectosis to me. As I understand it, the license forbids distribution of a modified source or binary, but allows the distribution of patch files. Would it then even be possible to distribute binary patches? So that you would have a pine-bare_x.y.deb containing the `approved' binary, and a pine-patch_x.y.deb containg the patch. Then pine-bare_x.y.deb would `recommend' (strongly :)) pine-patch_x.y.deb. On installation pine-patch_x.y.deb would patch the `approved' binary into the `debian' binary. Eric Meijer -- E.L. Meijer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | tel. office +31 40 2472189 Eindhoven Univ. of Technology | tel. lab. +31 40 2475032 Lab. for Catalysis and Inorg. Chem. (TAK) | tel. fax+31 40 2455054 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GTK wants g_strcasecmp symbol
When I try to run gimp it balks and says that it can't link because the GTK library wants a symbol. Any idea what is wrong? gimp: error in loading shared libraries /usr/lib/libgtk.so.1: undefined symbol: g_strcasecmp I have the following from LDD: $ ldd `which gimp` libgtk.so.1 = /usr/lib/libgtk.so.1 (0x40011000) libgdk.so.1 = /usr/lib/libgdk.so.1 (0x400a5000) libglib.so.1 = /usr/local/lib/libglib.so.1 (0x400c5000) libXi.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXi.so.6 (0x400cd000) libXext.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x400d5000) libX11.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x400e3000) libm.so.6 = /lib/libm.so.6 (0x40186000) libc.so.6 = /lib/libc.so.6 (0x4019f000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 = /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4000) All of the libraries are there. Is something out of sync? [EMAIL PROTECTED]/GNU--2.0 (frozen)---Linux--2.0.30--- THE LESSER-KNOWN PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES #12: LITHP This otherwise unremarkable language is distinguished by the absence of an S in its character set; users must substitute TH. LITHP is said to be useful in protheththing lithtth. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New imap saves all mail to $HOME/mbox ????
On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, George Bonser wrote: On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Alexander Stavitsky wrote: On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Tim Sailer wrote: I use fetchmail and I do not think I upgraded it recently, although I might be wrong. This happens even if I telnet to port 143 and just check how many messages I have. Besides, imap server still counts those in mbox as messages. It looks like it concatenates mbox and /var/spool/mail/$USER when showing user's INBOX. That's why I think it's impa problem, not client problem. Nutscrape takes a look at every file/directory in your home dir and treats it as a mailbox.. :( I do not think I mentioned Netscape anywhere in my email and that's because I DO NOT USE it for email. I'm saying that even if I just telnet to port 143 and issue SELECT INBOX it shows not only messages in /var/spool/mail/$USER but also in $HOME/mbox, appending those in /var/spool/mail/$USER to those in $HOME/mbox. This has been the default behavior of many imapd programs for a long time. It moves the mail from the spool to the inbox upon checking for mail. I do not think this is considered a problem but is possibly a configuration item when building that particular imapd implimentation. From the README file: There are other make options, described in imap-4/src/osdep/Makefile. A common additional option is to enable the mbox driver, which will move mail from /usr/spool/mail into a file called mbox in the user's home directory. This is done by specifying the EXTRADRIVERS variable, as in: make a32 EXTRADRIVERS=mbox In cases like this, the assumption is that the home directory is a remote mount most likely using some form of automounter. The mail is moved to the home directory so that it can be accessed from any machine. The mail spool on the mail server might not be accessable from any other machines. Since your mailbox lives in your home dir it makes sense to move the mail to the mailbox as soon as you check your mail. This makes perfect sense when you have a network of several hundred unix machines in a building and the spool file is not accessable from your local machine but your home directory is. George Bonser If I had a catchy quip, it would be here. http://www.debian.org Debian/GNU Linux ... the maintainable operating system. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +44 1908 653 739 Fax: +44 1908 655 151 Snail: David Wright, Earth Science Dept., Milton Keynes, England, MK7 6AA Disclaimer: These addresses are only for reaching me, and do not signify official stationery. Views expressed here are either my own or plagiarised. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PINE Debian Package
On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Adam Klein wrote: As I understand it, the license forbids distribution of a modified source or binary, but allows the distribution of patch files. Did anyone ask UoW what their position is? I've not heard of them prosecuting, and I'm sure there must be someone there who's aware of the debian package. How about a pine-src package with the patch included, which patches the original sources in the postinst script, builds the binary package and then installs it? I'd like to see some pragmatism on this issue. -thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PINE Debian Package
On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Colin Telmer wrote: On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Joey Hess wrote: Colin Telmer wrote: I have been using pine for years (no nfs spool) and have never ever experienceed corruption and mail loss due to pine. FWIW, I used pine for years, and experienced frequent data loss. (I use mutt now.) Maybe I have too but just haven't noticed:) Seriously, how does this manifest itself? Cheers, Colin. I used pine for a long while and had no problems. The configuration was pcpine (from Washington) on W3.1 with Netmanage Newt for TCP, and Debian 1.x as clients, and the server was/is (uname -a) SunOS tyne 5.4 Generic_101945-50 sun4m sparc which used to run the IMAP2bis or whatever it was called. Then they changed the imapd server to IMAP4rev1 and that's when the trouble started. There are two symptoms and I don't know if they're related but I think they must be. The first is that the client sees emails with bogus date 0 jan 1970 in headers or some such message. The second is that IMAP pseudo-headers have overwritten the start of the real emails. I've here reduced the number of paragraphs from eight to two to save space, and put in x's: --8-- xFrom MAILER-DAEMON Mon Mar 30 12:40:46 1998 xDate: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:40:46 +0100 (BST) xFrom: Mail System Internal Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] xSubject: DON'T DELETE THIS MESSAGE -- FOLDER INTERNAL DATA xX-IMAP: 0890661741 000825 xStatus: RO x xThis text is part of the internal format of your mail folder, and is not xa real message. It is created automatically by the mail system software. xIf deleted, important folder data will be lost, and it will be re-created xwith the data reset to initial values. x xStatus: O \ xX-Status: | xX-Keywords: xX-UID: 0 x| these should x| not be here xStatus: O xX-Status: xX-Keywords: | xX-UID: 0/ x [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, Mar 23, 1998 at 09:38:53AM -0600 xResent-Message-ID: IHo-1B.A.9WG.7zsF1@murphy xResent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org xX-Mailing-List: debian-user@lists.debian.org archive/latest/882 xX-Loop: debian-user@lists.debian.org xPrecedence: list xResent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] xStatus: RO xX-Status: xX-Keywords: xX-UID: 64 x xOn Mon, Mar 23, 1998 at 09:38:53AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: x On Mon, 23 Mar 1998, Bill Leach wrote: x --8-- My rationalisation of this behaviour is that I was reading this file as incoming mail, and as I deleted each message in pine, imapd was inserting these four-line paragraphs to indicate the fact. Meanwhile, sendmail would deliver some new mail which involves updating the fifth line of the file (I think it's the number of unseen messages). If a pointer was left there, my subsequent deletions could write paragraphs to the wrong place. Alternatively, all this is the product of an overactive imagination... I started using procmail to deliver my mail to multiple inboxes, and could watch procmail report its file-locking activities: procmail: [9792] Thu Apr 9 13:07:30 1998 procmail: Match on ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED] procmail: Locking Debian.lock procmail: Assigning LASTFOLDER=Debian procmail: Opening Debian procmail: Acquiring kernel-lock procmail: Unlocking Debian.lock From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Apr 9 13:07:30 1998 Subject: Re: hanging on boot; NFS problem in 2.0 Folder: Debian 2714 procmail: Notified comsat: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/export/home/dww2/Inbox/Debian but this didn't avoid corruption occurring. I like pine enough to make some compromises which include: . only running pine on the sun (tyne) which means 3.91, not 3.96 . delivering my email folders from the files procmail writes to the files pine reads, using a perl script that dotlocks and checks that I'm not running pine or imapd when it runs . losing pine notification, but I get this back through the procmail log file. Actually it does have some advantages - it makes it very easy and safe to zip and ftp my entire incoming mail to my home machine and read it offline with debian's pine. Cheers, -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +44 1908 653 739 Fax: +44 1908 655 151 Snail: David Wright, Earth Science Dept., Milton Keynes, England, MK7 6AA Disclaimer: These addresses are only for reaching me, and do not signify official stationery. Views expressed here are either my own or plagiarised. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bash help
I am trying to tell if a program is passing back an error in a Bash script. I would like to branch on receipt of the error to a wait statement that will give me about 20 seconds and then retry. My trouble is I cannot remember how to detect the error and how to make the shell wait a definite amount of time. Can anyone help me? Thanks Brian Schramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
inews, the control group, and the rn family
Being foolhardy, I'm going to try this again . . . I cannot figure out how to get inews to let me post through my nntpserver. I have no problem reading articles, but posting yields a no valid newsgroups error from inews. It seems to be a problem in the control newsgroup, but i haven't been able to find any instructions in the faqs or howtos. What I am *not* trying to do is be a newshost at all; the university has a not-to-horrible server. Also, i've found that i can post from netscape on my box through this server, but i'd really like to switch over to strn; at the moment, i have to telnet to one of the university machines to run trn. rick -- These opinions will not be those of ISU until it pays my retainer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PINE Debian Package
On Thu, Apr 23, 1998 at 11:13:28AM -0400, Thomas Lakofski wrote: On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Adam Klein wrote: As I understand it, the license forbids distribution of a modified source or binary, but allows the distribution of patch files. Did anyone ask UoW what their position is? I've not heard of them prosecuting, and I'm sure there must be someone there who's aware of the debian package. How about a pine-src package with the patch included, which patches the original sources in the postinst script, builds the binary package and then installs it? That's the proposed solution right now. Adam Klein -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unable to allocate DMA memory during base install
Hello, I try to (floppy-) install Debian Linux on a new Dell PowerEdge 2200 server, but when I come to Base Disk 1, I get the error: floppy0: Unable to allocate DMA memory /dev/fs0: No such device or address Please insert disk 1 and press ENTER Does anyone recognise this? Any help appreciated! Brecht -- -- Brecht Samyn tel. ++32 56 246 264 Systeemgroep fax. ++32 56 246 999 Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Campus Kortrijk (KULAK) E. Sabbelaan 53 8500 KortrijkE-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Belgium -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fonts in X [Off Topic]
Stephen Carpenter writes: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella wrote: The point is: they can't demand certain restrictions in the license, even if you signed a contract (which most users even did not). But I'm not a lawyer, and won't speak as if I knew better than I do... That is NOT true... they can require anything... signed or otherwise By receiving this email you agreed to pay $ 500.00 to Luiz Zorzella. Send the check to the ... :^ (ok thats not true, there are a few things the law prevents them from requiring...but even that doesn't mean they in truth can't type it up and send it out) but... there are limits to what they can really hold any power to enforce legally... sorta like a law saying you can't ever wear orange shorts... how do you enforce it inside a persons own home? It's not just a matter of enforcement. It's a matter of what you can legally require, by law. *If* you sign something, the extents of what one can require are far greater. If you did not (as most users, when they buy windows), you are not consenting on anything but giving money to receive a computer with a Windowing system... If you choose to use parts of what's inside (as one ever does, cuz nobody has devices for all the drivers, for example), you may do it perfectly legally... -- Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella Product Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.conexware.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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