On 29/03/14 19:15, Frank Stachyra wrote:
Surely there is a way to do this that might be made more readily
apparent to anybody who has never used reportbug, and is not adept at
using linux terminals.
reportbug will be invoking whatever your default text editor is. If the
VISUAL or EDITOR
Today, I upgraded my system from wheezy to jessie (mostly because I
wanted to install the steam client). This has had at least two issues so
far:
First, the XFCE panel at the bottom of my screen has materially
increased its height (causing the bottom edges of my commonly used
applications to
On 11/04/14 16:23, Paul E Condon wrote:
This is pretty clear indication that wheezy-backports won't help,
Or did I make a mistake? What mistake?
An alternative source of findutils that fits with Wheezy? Where? How?
You don't appear to have made a mistake.
As Lisi Reisz notes, findutils is not
On 12/04/14 12:56, sp113438 wrote:
JD offers a comfortable browsing experience on 2ch-style bulletin board
systems.
But it is in Japanese language.
Am I mistaken?
A quick look at the upstream website, which has no easily-spotted links
containing the names of European languages, suggests
On 18/04/14 09:11, Curt wrote:
On 2014-04-18, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
* I can successfully shave myself to leave exactly four days growth.
I've always wondered how those Macintosh fanboys (and Hollywood
celebrities, two overlapping sets) accomplished this.
I assume they
On 21/05/14 15:42, Ethan Rosenberg wrote:
I installed Icedove and cannot get the desktop icon to work. I would
get a pop up asking me if I wanted to 1]open in terminal 2] view or 3]
run. When I clicked view there was a message that it required a XFCE
panel. I surely do NOT want XFCE as a
On 07/06/14 15:23, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Tue, Jun 03, 2014 at 02:13:23PM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote:
differentiates it from random noise. For some people, being able to
prove that data was encrypted is enough of a problem (I live in a
country where my government can force me to reveal my
On 19/06/14 14:18, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
This syntax $(command) is not portable.
The $() syntax for command substitution is *not* a bashism. It's been a
POSIX Shell Command Language construct for at least a decade.
On 02/07/14 18:25, Steve Litt wrote:
So then, the question becomes, where does there exist a list of common
letters that are, for want of a better word, ornamented ascii?
Umlauts, Carats, Circles, Grave accents, etc.
Are the charts at http://www.unicode.org/charts/ what you're looking
for, or
On 05/07/14 21:56, David Baron wrote:
Continuing to set up my new 64-bit install.
Any attempt to chown -R thisuser:thisuser /home/thisuser/.*
For example,to reset permissions of hidden items, will change ALL users' home
folders, everything. Actually, on the surface, this might seem correct
On 06/07/14 00:10, The Wanderer wrote:
Can you run systemd without logind or journald?
I can't quickly find an answer, so I'll leave answering that one to
someone else.
Can you run logind without systemd or journald?
If you have something else that provides the systemd interfaces logind
On 08/07/14 12:00, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 08.07.2014 08:58, Kushal Kumaran a écrit :
Neal Murphy neal.p.mur...@alum.wpi.edu writes:
On Monday, July 07, 2014 03:49:52 PM Michael Biebl wrote:
Am 07.07.2014 21:29, schrieb Andrei POPESCU:
To prove my point (on a laptop with
On 09/07/14 05:07, Steve Litt wrote:
[regarding double fork]
In other words, it's going to bust my program, right?
Maybe. Do the programs you launch need to outlive your session? If so,
your launcher program's design will run into problems in a systemd world.
If not, you should be fine.
On 09/07/14 14:40, Mark Carroll wrote:
Hang on, that sounds scary. I'll still be able to launch something
from the shell (maybe in an xterm) with a trailing to put it in
the background, and then log out and it will keep on going, right?
Running a program in the background from a shell in an
On 09/07/14 22:00, Steve Litt wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 15:21:55 +0100
Martin Read zen75...@zen.co.uk wrote:
Running a program in the background from a shell in an xterm (and
even closing the xterm afterwards) works fine; indeed, that's how I
launched the instance of Icedove I'm typing this e
On 22/07/14 15:03, Joe wrote:
I've got it now. Apparently /usr has needed to be available at boot
time for a long time, but this seems to have completely passed me by,
and hasn't yet bitten me. I have always thought that 'usr' was short for
'user', and that /usr contains only applications and
On 16/08/14 17:49, Steve Litt wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 11:00:10 -0400 (EDT)
Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote:
My main objection to GNOME as the default desktop environment is
that it *requires* 3D graphics acceleration from the X driver,
something which is not available from all
On 22/08/14 00:49, Ric Moore wrote:
That's why I go off on a rant once in awhile, that pavucontrol needs to
be a pulse depend, or users won't have the tool to setup and adjust
pulse with.
It's currently a Suggests; I suggest you file a bug report suggesting
that this should be bumped to
On 27/08/14 06:36, B wrote:
What I don't understand is Debian leaving the alternative behind,
this _doesn't_ sounds the Debian's way. But if it should be the
new way, it'll be without me.
There are certainly sincere efforts to enable Debian to continue to
support other arrangements for
On 27/08/14 19:07, Brian wrote:
Please join him on the site where his article is published; there is a
comments section. Perhaps other like-minded people would like to
accompany you.
Encouraging the balkanization of the Internet into a collection of echo
chambers seems ill-advised.
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On 31/08/14 14:21, lee wrote:
It doesn't even have decent documentation
Opinions appear to vary on this matter; ISTR that when the TC were
called upon to decide on the default init system for jessie, Russ
Allbery experimented with all three of the proposed replacements and
found systemd to
On 31/08/14 16:10, Erwan David wrote:
EIther the explanation is incomplete or the badly redacted or the
examples in the man are false
I cannot see how
journalctl /usr/bin/dbus-daemon or journalctl /dev/sda fit in that
explanation
There is a third possibility: you didn't finish reading the text
On 02/09/14 19:55, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
Erwan David wrote:
aptitude remove systemd - downgrade almost everything to stable...
Ok no program present in stable should depend on systemd...
that's a lot of bugs to open...
Erwan, the whole of my Wheezy desktop system as I know it seems to be
On 03/09/14 06:54, Erwan David wrote:
lauching systemd-logind (which they do) is actually requiring it, no ?
Point. (I find myself instinctively reading requiring systemd as
requiring systemd as PID 1, so I tend to say requiring a component of
the systemd suite when talking about things that
On 03/09/14 17:14, The Wanderer wrote:
IMO, any functionality which anything not part of the init system might
legitimately want to depend on - such as the functionality needed by
libpam-systemd - should be implemented first, primarily, and indeed
probably *only* as something that is *not* part
On 03/09/14 15:40, Rob Owens wrote:
xfburn is apparently aware that my cd drive is currently empty. Does anybody
know what it uses to detect this? It is not using gvfs.
Looking up xfburn in aptitude's interactive interface, I see that xfburn
Depends: libgudev-1.0-0, which is a
On 04/09/14 12:43, The Wanderer wrote:
On 09/03/2014 at 01:52 PM, Martin Read wrote:
was done in response to the decision of the kernel's cgroup
subsystem maintainer, Tejun Heo, that the way cgroups hierarchies
worked was terrible and a single hierarchy single-writer model
would be far more
On 07/09/14 18:31, lee wrote:
As to console-kit, it was awful in that it might create a ridiculous
number of processes, and I used to disable it because I never needed
it. Can you disable logind?
If you don't need anything that depends on gnome-settings-daemon,
libpam-systemd, lighttpd,
On 08/09/14 00:21, lee wrote:
I don't have gnome-settings-daemon installed on Fedora, which uses
systemd.
Indeed; on Fedora, systemd is IIRC the *only* init system.
On the Debian VM, it says that dbus depends on libsystemd-login0, so how
could I remove that without having to remove xfce?
On 08/09/14 15:51, lee wrote:
If the problem is so easy to solve as you describe, i. e. by compiling
software appropriately, it boils down to that Debian would have to have
different versions of packages, compiled with appropriate options, which
are picked from depending on which init system the
On 08/09/14 22:46, lee wrote:
It would seem kinda logical to file the bug against the cd-burning
software because it depends on an init system.
Sort of. It's perfectly reasonable for brasero to Depends: gvfs
(brasero's part of GNOME and gvfs is the standard way for GNOME
applications to
On 09/09/14 15:31, Steve Litt wrote:
It's kind of funny. All email clients suck, and yet there are tens of
excellent window manager/desktop environments.
All software sucks (except defective device drivers for vacuum pump
systems). The only question is whether the nature of the suckage is a
On 09/09/14 19:42, B wrote:
Normally, if you _really_ reach the system RAM limit, init begins
killing the least used programs/daemons (well, this WAS true with
a good init, such as the sysV one…)
First, the OOM Killer is part of the kernel, not part of the init
system. Second, it doesn't
On 10/09/14 18:07, Curt wrote:
Then why do the (net)installer(s) apply an obsolete principle when you
accept a/the default partioning scheme(s) (well, at least the Squeeze
netinstaller I used way back when did so).
My first guess would be because it's not so bad an idea that anyone in
a
On 11/09/14 21:05, Frank McCormick wrote:
On my Sid installation VLC is broken. It does not display mpegs or mkvs.
I have tried all the output modules and none make any difference. All I
get is a black screen. Audio does work however.
How can I track down the problem?
The first step is to
On 13/09/14 20:54, lee wrote:
Can you have, say, KDE on Gentoo without systemd? Without systemd
means *all* of systemd, like systemd-login0 etc..
Many components of the KDE Software Collection have no identifiable
dependency on systemd's support libraries. (Indeed, a significant
fraction of
On 14/09/14 10:44, songbird wrote:
Marko Randjelovic wrote:
I don't know what Debian release do you use, but since Squeeze, /bin/sh
should point to dash.
i'm not sure about that...
I suspect it to be the case that if you've been continuously upgrading
since before the change was made,
On 15/09/14 01:46, Marty wrote:
(not OP but) I require the exclusion all packages by their dev teams
from my computer. Is that clear enough? Linus doesn't trust them. Why
should I?
Just to be sure you're aware of what you're asking for: that includes
udev, which:
(a) in Debian is a hard
On 16/09/14 01:00, lee wrote:
Shall we have a vote? AFAIK, there's nothing that would speak against
having one, in this very mailing list. Why not ask the users? Why
should only Debian developers be allowed to vote but not the users?
Quite aside from the general DEbian principle of
On 16/09/14 17:43, Andre N Batista wrote:
I find your lack of imagination disturbing. So disturbing that I here
and now propose a better approach: dox da madafuka hairy poetter and
point these threads as his fault, his problem. For years to come people
would remember what happens to those who
On 17/09/14 22:54, Lisi Reisz wrote:
Ah! That is the first time you, or anyone else, ha(ve)(s) even hinted at
England. And there is no English Parliament, so I don't know how you
Antipodeans hear anything from non-existent English Parliamentary parties.
There is a UK Parliament, an Irish
On 18/09/14 09:16, Joe wrote:
You don't say which distribution this is, but it's either testing or
unstable. This doesn't happen in stable, but it's fairly regular in
unstable. I don't use testing, but I'd have thought this kind of
thing was unusual there, as this sort of serious disturbance
On 18/09/14 17:33, Reco wrote:
1) Unstable journald format. Good luck finding that exact version of
journalctl to read logs over next several years.
When journald was *introduced*, systemd-journald's log file format was
not immediately finalized.
However, at the time of this e-mail, it
On 18/09/14 19:37, Reco wrote:
Are those formats documented somewhere? I'm asking as suddenly I felt an
irresistible urge to write journald log viewer and a wireshark
dissector. Please note that 'documented' does not equal to 'they
provide the source it's all there'.
The main page for systemd
On 20/09/14 13:01, softwatt wrote:
So, to sum it up: In my particular situation where I have a separate
partition for /home/ , the best upgrade would be:
1. Installing a brand new Debian but leaving /home/USER intact.
2. Deleting all the config stuff with `rm -rf /home/USER/.[a-z0-9]*`
3. Done.
On 21/09/14 04:14, lee wrote:
Try to provide a Debian package and you'll see that it is so
ridiculously difficult that it is virtually impossible.
Nothing about the process of providing a Debian package looks
ridiculously difficult to me. Tedious, perhaps, but not ridiculously
difficult.
On 21/09/14 14:31, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Sunday 21 September 2014 14:06:32 Peter Nieman wrote:
But, and please correct me if I'm wrong, isn't it true that the
developers we are talking about in the context of systemd and similar
achievements - while maybe volunteering for Debian - are also paid
On 21/09/14 14:47, David L. Craig wrote:
Well, do your due dilligence. On my primary Sid system,
so far, so good:
# dpkg -S /lib/sysvinit/init
sysvinit: /lib/sysvinit/init
# dpkg -S /sbin/init
sysvinit-core: /sbin/init
# cmp /lib/sysvinit/init /sbin/init
This only needs to be checked after
On 21/09/14 15:48, Rob Owens wrote:
The bug:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=762116
I think I agree with John Hasler in:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/09/msg01430.html
that much of this is a matter of Debian package dependencies reflecting
dependencies of the
On 21/09/14 20:14, David Baron wrote:
On my 64 bit Sid box, seems that certain applications/games come up the same
every execution. Would normally expect a random pattern.
This is not all of them but many.. Which random generators should be
installed, now seeded/configures?
Application
On 21/09/14 16:15, lee wrote:
Martin Read zen75...@zen.co.uk writes:
Nothing about the process of providing a Debian package looks
ridiculously difficult to me.
I started to read the huge documentation about how to do it and didn't
get anywhere with it.
I had that experience. Then I found
On 21/09/14 20:41, David Baron wrote:
On Sunday 21 September 2014 20:24:08 Martin Read wrote:
Application software usually initializes its internal pseudorandom
number generator using inputs like the current system time. Since you
haven't mentioned any of the affected programs by name, it's
On 21/09/14 23:47, The Wanderer wrote:
I did mean policykit, but that's because I was talking about my
understanding, which does have policykit in that slot. My understanding
may well be wrong, and if so, consolekit may very well be what *should*
go in that slot instead.
consolekit is indeed
On 22/09/14 07:55, David Baron wrote:
The KMahjong with options set for random boards will always come up with the
same pattern but the tiles will be differing/randomized. So this might be the
intended.
Nice catch. I grabbed the source package with apt-get source kmahjongg
and was able to
On 23/09/14 00:22, Joel Rees wrote:
I think you are saying that there is an implementation of cgroups
independent of systemd?
systemd does not implement cgroups. The kernel implements them; systemd
just uses them.
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On 22/09/14 23:53, lee wrote:
And don't mention multiple sound cards (which Joe
can't even imagine to have) ...
Funnily enough, a substantial number of non-technical computer users do,
in fact, have multiple audio devices in their desktop computers. For
example, they might have a set of
On 25/09/14 15:42, Rob Owens wrote:
I agree that let's wait until we have a good init to move to should have been
more seriously considered, but for some reason people were in a big hurry to make a move.
The vote held was What should the default init system *in jessie* be?.
Given that as the
On 25/09/14 16:40, Steve Litt wrote:
Let's wait for a good alternative, and in the meantime keep sysvinit
is a lot different than let's keep sysvinit (indefinitely).
Voting let's keep sysvinit *in jessie* says *exactly nothing* about
the init system in jessie+1.
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On 26/09/14 16:09, Miles Fidelman wrote:
So let's see:
- the technical committee selects takes a vote that essentially imposes
systemd on all of the upstream developers and packagers
The technical committee has no authority (and limited soft power) with
respect to what *upstream* developers
On 26/09/14 20:05, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Actually, no - I've been following this, and related threads, from the
beginning - I have not seen anybody actually mention that a GR was
tried. Do you have a reference?
https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/03/msg00114.html
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On 27/09/14 02:48, Stephen Powell wrote:
I'm not sure that the Debian wiki is the right place for this information.
Although there is a Linux port of PuTTY, 99% of PuTTY users are
Windows users, including me. Although it may be used to login remotely
to a Debian system, PuTTY itself is Windows
On 27/09/14 21:04, lee wrote:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=990177
Your complaint about the interface is reasonable. The systemd
developers' decision to not change the interface in response to your
complaint was also reasonable. (The Fedora users mailing list thread you
linked
On 28/09/14 16:29, Steve Litt wrote:
I assume that implicit in your reply is that such a major version
upgrade works well, and that over the years you don't get all sorts of
accumulated software dust bunnies doing funny things to you.
How many others here have experiences like Chris'?
Well,
On 28/09/14 16:35, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Sunday 28 September 2014 14:21:13 Slavko wrote:
For now it seems, that there is no chance to get DE
without systemd in debian
Nonsense!! You can have TDE for a start, and I am sure that there are others.
The Trinity Desktop Environment is not, as far
On 29/09/14 17:13, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 29 September 2014 17:01:31 Tony van der Hoff wrote:
well, it's my understanding that the system (hardware) time is always
UTC, but there is no way to set localtime to GMT (or UTC). Perhaps I'm
misunderstanding you.
Erm What do you think we
On 30/09/14 02:06, Hörmetjan Yiltiz wrote:
Would not save that much, actually, since almost everyone here uses
Debian and are Debian users, and furthermore, hopefully, users who use
Debian and Debian only.
I very much hope that many people here do not use *only* Debian, because
people with
On 01/10/14 18:44, Slavko wrote:
Dňa Wed, 01 Oct 2014 18:00:39 +0200 Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de
napísal:
No, it's because systemd-shim Breaks: systemd ( 209), but testing
has systemd 208-8. If you need systemd-shim (i.e. you're not using
systemd as PID 1), wait with the dist-upgrade until
On 06/10/14 16:01, Buchs, Kevin J. wrote:
I have both libreoffice and libreoffice4.2 installed. I just want to
keep the 4.2 version, but when I try to apt-get remove libreoffice, it
wants to remove gnome. Why is gnome dependent upon libreoffice?
Gnome doesn't depend on libreoffice.
What's
On 06/10/14 18:45, Steve Litt wrote:
Oh Geez, I thought Plymouth was only an Ubuntu thing. Getting
away from plymouth was about 40% of why I moved from Ubuntu to Debian.
Conveniently, plymouth is optional in Debian, unless you're using
upstart or docker.io.
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On 08/10/14 08:23, Bret Busby wrote:
I have a 23 monitor, that I want to use with two of my laptop
computers (not at the same time).
I have a 15 laptop, with an i3 CPU, running Debian 6 LTS and GNOME2.
[snip]
The other laptop has a 17 display and an i7CPU, and is running Debian
7.x and LXDE.
On 10/10/14 14:28, Rob Owens wrote:
Is there an apt command that will tell me why package X was installed? For
instance, was it manually installed, or installed as a dependency/recommends of
package Y?
aptitude why package-x
will show you exactly one reason why package-x is installed.
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On 10/10/14 18:15, PETER ZOELLER wrote:
And this is being hard coded in my opinion since it forces it to be
installed as a default with no other option given and required for
example if you want to use Gnome.
It turns out to be the case that cases where Gnome fails to operate
correctly
On 11/10/14 19:00, Nate Bargmann wrote:
This is the question I have, what are the stated boundaries of the
systemd project? Have any boundaries/goals been stated in terms of when
systemd will be feature complete? What is the stated compliance to
POSIX (Google doesn't seem to provide me good
On 12/10/14 04:12, Peter Zoeller wrote:
But the nice
thing is shell scripting is simplistic easy to learn and understand.
I refer the audience to David A. Wheeler's essay[1] on how to handle
filenames correctly in shell scripts, and to the bug report that he
filed against POSIX.1-2008[2] on
On 12/10/14 14:52, lee wrote:
Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes:
Can any of you experienced exim4 hands interpret this output?
Reading RFC-821 would tell you more.
Reading RFC 2821 would be even better, since RFC 821 is obsoleted by RFC
2821.
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On 12/10/14 15:53, lee wrote:
And when they are filtered, does the sender get a message telling him
that their message hasn't been delivered?
The requirement in RFC 2821 (the successor to RFC 821 which you've
recently been referring to) section 4.2.5 that a server which issues a
2yz
On 12/10/14 01:43, lee wrote:
Reco recovery...@gmail.com writes:
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/src/core/dbus-manager.c?id=3731acf1acfb4a6eb68374a5b137f3b368f63381#n638
Ah, this is a wonderful example :) My assumptions about the code were right.
Does all/most of systemd
On 12/10/14 18:13, John Hasler wrote:
Martin Read writes:
I'm not seeing a serious problem with that function.
You have no problem with an 1800 line function?
The thing that you are asking me if it is the case is not the thing I said.
I have a problem with 1800 line functions in general
On 12/10/14 23:04, lee wrote:
Bas Wijnen wij...@debian.org writes:
Because for a GR, a member of Debian has to request it and it needs to
be seconded by at least 5 other members (constitution 4.2.1, 4.2.7).
This has not happened.
I know, and I'm suggesting to omit this requirement.
On 14/10/14 00:47, Joel Rees wrote:
There is a header for requesting automatic confirmation of delivery,
but it tends to be abused by malicious junkmailers (spammers). MUAs
are supposed to be able to disable it, but I haven't seen that option
in an MUA settings dialog for a long time.
I'm
On 14/10/14 13:54, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
Have you actually looked into what depends on systemd?
Trying to.
As a start - anything that depends on udev and logging come to mind;
Strictly speaking, yes, udev is part of the systemd suite. However, it
is perfectly capable
On 14/10/14 14:33, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Which brings us back to how upgrades and new installs will be handled -
will there be an option to go right to sysvinit-core, or will we have to
manually uninstall systemd and anything that depends on it? Getting all
the metapackages and dependencies
On 14/10/14 15:56, Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:25:23 +0300
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
Have you actually looked into what depends on systemd?
PAM is enough for me, considering everything that uses PAM. They could
have made their PAM plug compatible with the old
On 14/10/14 16:05, Scott Ferguson wrote:
And how should we interpret that in light of your signature and constant
plugging of your business on the list?
Perhaps Joey Hess's signature holds the answer?
I presume you mean Joel Rees (yes, I get their names mixed up
occasionally too), since Joey
On 14/10/14 16:48, Steve Litt wrote:
So are you saying I could use sysvinit or nosh as my PID1, drop in
libpam-systemd and no other systemd components, and have all PAM
functionalities run properly?
Thank you for the clarification.
The short and vague answer is no; PAM modules that depend on
On 14/10/14 22:56, Steve Litt wrote:
On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 00:15:40 +0300
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
As far as I understand none of the upstreams are actually requiring
systemd itself (or more accurately systemd-logind), but the
interfaces it is providing.
I fail to see the
On 15/10/14 17:30, Steve Litt wrote:
Pre-cisely. I see Red Hat's fingerprints all over that unmaintained
status. If not for Red Hat, somebody would have picked up ConsoleKit.
After all, as shown in
http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/software/whos-writing-linux ,
there's plenty of money floating
On 17/10/14 10:16, Mark Carroll wrote:
Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com writes:
(snip)
I'll also try to find a systemd-free alternative to LibreOffice, and to
Gnumeric (Gnumeric will be tough, it's actually a good program).
(snip)
LibreOffice is enormously useful for Microsoft Office
On 17/10/14 14:10, francis picabia wrote:
The problem is with finding terminals. I often have over 60
open at once. The task bar or whatever it is called
in XFCE stacks the open Konsoles, but the listing
of them is probably by the order of which they were opened.
I'd rather it was
On 18/10/14 02:38, Steve Litt wrote:
I would add that it should be delegated to an interchangeable part
through a well-specified thin interface, without global variables like
dbus. Or, if there *must* be a global variable, at least make it
purposed only for interaction between init and program,
On 18/10/14 16:29, Peter Nieman wrote:
And I don't understand TIA, unless it's Spanish.
Thanks In Advance
Well, I thought there was a strong relationship between systemd and
dbus.
Various parts of the systemd suite, including the systemd init daemon,
use dbus to present its control
On 19/10/14 17:45, Rusi Mody wrote:
As for 'wounded ego':
Do you have a wounded ego if a dead branch falls and smashes the windshield
of your car?
Or a Tsunami knocks off your seafront house?
If you are taking offense, who are you offended by?
Debian is not a person (as far as I know!)
Debian
On 20/10/14 01:28, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Did they successed with wayland? I just took a look at weston and it
seems to be linked to stuffD... and with Dbus, when I thought I had read
time ago things about them using a home-made bus, because they thought
dbus was too heavy... I
On 21/10/14 13:31, j...@ageinggracefully.ca wrote:
I run xfce on jessie/sid. I zapped my desktop when trying to stop a process
using the task manager.
This happened to me a few years ago and I've forgotten how I fixed it.
I believe the program you want to run is xfdesktop.
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On 22/10/14 09:56, Denis Witt wrote:
I wanted to take a look at systemd and pacemaker/corosync on Debian
Jessie.
I noticed that the pacemaker package has vanished. Instead you should
install the crmsh package. This package recommends pacemaker which
doesn't exists.
That's strange. According
On 22/10/14 11:28, rudu wrote:
But here on my jessie box, I can't find any GTK+2.0 package to upgrade.
So, what am I missing here ?
The relevant package is libgtk2.0-0. Note that the version number
appears to have been mis-stated in message #37, and is 2.24.25-1, not
2.25.1.
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On 22/10/14 08:37, Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis wrote:
What details do you think are neccecary ?
Just grab a DI-b2 img, install xfce or lxde ( with the menu or with
desktop= doesn't matter ) and then try to remove *all* the systemd
utilities / libraries etc.
dbus-daemon is linked against
On 24/10/14 10:12, Thomas Goirand wrote:
On 10/21/2014 05:12 PM, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
OpenBSD’s libc.so major number is 50 or something like that right now,
because they – correctly – increment it on every incompatible change.
The correct thing to do is to not do incompatible change.
A
On 25/10/14 15:31, Peter Nieman wrote:
3. There's no alternative to X so far, but there are several
alternatives to systemd, and one of them has worked perfectly well for
most people until the present day.
I would take the several alternatives as tending to indicate that
perhaps sysvinit +
On 27/10/14 14:37, John Hasler wrote:
This is something called util-linux-ng which isn't even in Debian.
The internet tells me that the current upstream incarnation of
util-linux was called util-linux-ng between 2006-2010, and apparently
has not had its mailing list renamed when the project
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