Re: HDD vs. RAID (was Re: Lilo Q)

2002-06-10 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Sun, 2002-06-09 at 20:33, Alvin Oga wrote: if you have a nearly full 80GB disks ... it wont matter if you have 1x 80GB or 4x 20GB( stripping ) No, it does matter. You can expect at least one of four 20GB drives to fail much sooner than one 80GB drive, assuming same MTBF numbers on all

Re: HDD vs. RAID (was Re: Lilo Q)

2002-06-10 Thread Alvin Oga
hi ya anthony yes... good point on MTBF... - and if the drives gonna fail... i say its more likely to die within the first 30 days ... ( some disks more likely to die than others irrespective of the MTBF and name-brands.. - i have a pile of bad/flaky IBM disks ... about

Re: HDD vs. RAID (was Re: Lilo Q)

2002-06-10 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Mon, 2002-06-10 at 03:46, Alvin Oga wrote: - and if the drives gonna fail... i say its more likely to die within the first 30 days ... Yes. MTBF only measures how likely it is to fail during the middle of its life. A good number die early (defective) and late (worn out). Not many die in

Re: HDD vs. RAID (was Re: Lilo Q)

2002-06-10 Thread Ian D. Stewart
On 2002.06.10 03:35 Anthony DeRobertis wrote: On Sun, 2002-06-09 at 20:33, Alvin Oga wrote: if you have a nearly full 80GB disks ... it wont matter if you have 1x 80GB or 4x 20GB( stripping ) No, it does matter. You can expect at least one of four 20GB drives to fail much sooner than one

Re: HDD vs. RAID (was Re: Lilo Q)

2002-06-10 Thread Ian D. Stewart
On 2002.06.10 05:48 Anthony DeRobertis wrote: On Mon, 2002-06-10 at 03:46, Alvin Oga wrote: - and if the drives gonna fail... i say its more likely to die within the first 30 days ... Yes. MTBF only measures how likely it is to fail during the middle of its life. A good number die early

Re: HDD vs. RAID (was Re: Lilo Q)

2002-06-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2002-06-10 at 08:46, Ian D. Stewart wrote: On 2002.06.10 03:35 Anthony DeRobertis wrote: On Sun, 2002-06-09 at 20:33, Alvin Oga wrote: if you have a nearly full 80GB disks ... it wont matter if you have 1x 80GB or 4x 20GB( stripping ) No, it does matter. You can expect at

Re: HDD vs. RAID (was Re: Lilo Q)

2002-06-10 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 09:46:45AM -0400, Ian D. Stewart wrote: So then, the primary advantages of RAID are access speed and data redundancy The primary advantages of RAID are highly dependent on what flavor of RAID you're using. RAID0 and RAID1, e.g., are practically the opposite of each

Re: HDD vs. RAID (was Re: Lilo Q)

2002-06-10 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 12:07:22PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: The problem with JBODs (just big ole disks, i.e. single disks) JBOD = Just a Bunch Of Disks, i.e., several drives operating independently. A JBOD can be organized into a RAID, but doesn't have to be. With RAID solutions, the

Re: HDD vs. RAID (was Re: Lilo Q)

2002-06-10 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 10:00:16AM -0400, Ian D. Stewart wrote: So, the way I'm reading this, a RAID 5 stack w/ 5 20 GB hard drives provides improved access speed and reliability at the cost of slightly reduced storage. Yep. Different RAID levels are basically different tradeoffs between

Re: HDD vs. RAID (was Re: Lilo Q)

2002-06-10 Thread Robert Webb
Dave Sherohman wrote: [snip] Any sort of true hardware RAID setup (beware the hybrids, since this doesn't apply to them) will interact with the rest of the system as a single device. The question of whether to put the individual drives on separate controllers or not doesn't apply, since the

Re: HDD vs. RAID (was Re: Lilo Q)

2002-06-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2002-06-10 at 13:39, Dave Sherohman wrote: On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 12:07:22PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: The problem with JBODs (just big ole disks, i.e. single disks) JBOD = Just a Bunch Of Disks, i.e., several drives operating independently. A JBOD can be organized into a RAID,

Re: HDD vs. RAID (was Re: Lilo Q) - fw

2002-06-10 Thread Alvin Oga
hi ya robert why not have two firewalls ??? ( 2x pentium-90Mhz for example .. something cheap, but fast enough) +-- fw1 --+ internet - csu/dus - hub - + +-- hub - your lan +-- fw2 --+ when one goes down use the other ... (

Re: HDD vs. RAID (was Re: Lilo Q)

2002-06-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2002-06-10 at 14:22, Robert Webb wrote: Dave Sherohman wrote: [snip] yup, there IDE RAID controllers out there. Whether they help speed or not I don't know. I am actually running one that does only RAID 1 for redundancy for my firewall. Cannot afford to have that go down. :-)

HDD vs. RAID (was Re: Lilo Q)

2002-06-09 Thread Ian D. Stewart
On 2002.06.08 22:33 Alice M. Pinard wrote: As I'm continuing to try and troubleshoot a hd that doesn't seem to want to boot (promise ultra card, 60g hd) I just wanna doublecheck one thing Semi-OT As the size of IDE hard drives increase, what are the advantages/disadvantages of using a single

Re: HDD vs. RAID (was Re: Lilo Q)

2002-06-09 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Sun, Jun 09, 2002 at 09:35:05AM -0400, Ian D. Stewart wrote: As the size of IDE hard drives increase, what are the advantages/disadvantages of using a single large hard drive as opposed to a RAID stack Well, that depends on what flavor of RAID you're talking about... In general: RAID 0:

Re: HDD vs. RAID (was Re: Lilo Q)

2002-06-09 Thread Brian Dessent
Ian D. Stewart wrote: As the size of IDE hard drives increase, what are the advantages/disadvantages of using a single large hard drive as opposed to a RAID stack (say, 80 GB hard drive vs. raid tower w/ 4 20 GB hard drives) ? I'd say it all depends on the specs of hard drives. If you're

Re: HDD vs. RAID (was Re: Lilo Q)

2002-06-09 Thread Alvin Oga
hi ya fun stuff. it depends ... if you have a nearly full 80GB disks ... it wont matter if you have 1x 80GB or 4x 20GB( stripping ) - i rather worry about 1 large disk failure... than to worry about which of the 4 small disks gonna die ... also makes 4x the mess