Re: top that shows "Web Content" (was Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?)

On Saturday, September 09, 2017 10:53:29 PM Nick Boyce wrote: > AFAIK the 'Web Content' process was introduced by Mozilla when Firefox > switched to a multi-process model for the browser binary - you may have > seen people moaning about it: Mozilla calls it 'electrolysis/e10s' and it > delivers

Re: Editor survival [Was: Recommended editor for novice programmers?]

On Fri, Sep 08, 2017 at 04:17:50PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Fri 08 Sep 2017 at 03:19:49 (+0100), Nick Boyce wrote: > > You're absolutely right. I have sat next to seasoned vi users watching in > > awe as their fingers flew entering weird totally non-intuitive commands (to > > me) and

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On Fri, Sep 08, 2017 at 04:13:31PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Fri 08 Sep 2017 at 03:24:11 (+0100), Nick Boyce wrote: > > On Wed, 06 Sep 2017 16:19:03 +1000 > > Ben Finney wrote: > > > > > Nick Boyce writes: > > > > > > > I don't want to provoke

Re: top that shows "Web Content" (was Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?)

On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 07:39:58 -0400 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Friday, September 08, 2017 07:59:40 PM David Wright wrote: > > On Fri 08 Sep 2017 at 17:39:39 (-0400), rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Friday, September 08, 2017 05:13:31 PM David Wright wrote: > > > > Meanwhile, I have firefox

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On 2017-09-09, Joel Roth wrote: > I'm dropping in late to say that running 'vimtutor' in a > terminal is an easy way to interactively get to know how vim > works. > I use vim on a very rudimentary level, and on that very rudimentary level it is easy. 'i' start writing; esc ":w"

Re: top that shows "Web Content" (was Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?)

On Friday, September 08, 2017 07:59:40 PM David Wright wrote: > On Fri 08 Sep 2017 at 17:39:39 (-0400), rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Friday, September 08, 2017 05:13:31 PM David Wright wrote: > > > Meanwhile, I have firefox open on the results of a google search. > > > That's currently reading

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

I'm dropping in late to say that running 'vimtutor' in a terminal is an easy way to interactively get to know how vim works. -- Joel Roth

Re: top that shows "Web Content" (was Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?)

On Fri 08 Sep 2017 at 17:39:39 (-0400), rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Friday, September 08, 2017 05:13:31 PM David Wright wrote: > > Meanwhile, I have firefox open on the results of a google search. > > That's currently reading > > firefox-esr 31% + Web Content 28% > > Hmm, do you have a version

top that shows "Web Content" (was Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?)

On Friday, September 08, 2017 05:13:31 PM David Wright wrote: > Meanwhile, I have firefox open on the results of a google search. > That's currently reading > firefox-esr 31% + Web Content 28% Hmm, do you have a version of top (or something else) which reports the use of memory for web content?

Re: Editor survival [Was: Recommended editor for novice programmers?]

On Fri 08 Sep 2017 at 03:19:49 (+0100), Nick Boyce wrote: > You're absolutely right. I have sat next to seasoned vi users watching in > awe as their fingers flew entering weird totally non-intuitive commands (to > me) and achieving great edits in next to no time. Other colleagues lived >

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On Fri 08 Sep 2017 at 03:24:11 (+0100), Nick Boyce wrote: > On Wed, 06 Sep 2017 16:19:03 +1000 > Ben Finney wrote: > > > Nick Boyce writes: > > > > > I don't want to provoke any religious war here, and sorry if I offend > > > anybody, but: > > > >

Re: Editor survival [Was: Recommended editor for novice programmers?]

mended editor for novice programmers?] Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 02:18:59 + (UTC) Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 16:08:15 +1000 Erik Christiansen <dva...@internode.on.net> wrote: On 06.09.17 05:31, Nick Boyce wrote: [...] [Joe is] one of the first thin

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On Wed, 06 Sep 2017 16:19:03 +1000 Ben Finney wrote: > Nick Boyce writes: > > > I don't want to provoke any religious war here, and sorry if I offend > > anybody, but: > > That doesn't alter the fact that you've disparaged programs in terms > that

Re: Editor survival [Was: Recommended editor for novice programmers?]

On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 16:08:15 +1000 Erik Christiansen wrote: > On 06.09.17 05:31, Nick Boyce wrote: [...] > > [Joe is] one of the first things I install on any Linux > > or *BSD system. > > In my decades of leading software teams, one thing I did not do is ask > "What

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On 09/06/2017 11:13 AM, Ben Finney wrote: Johann Spies writes: Some alternatives which (some of them may have been mentioned in this thread): Atom - a fairly new and versatile one as far as I know PyCharm (not a native Debian Package) but very nice to debug Python

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

Johann Spies writes: > Some alternatives which (some of them may have been mentioned in this > thread): > > Atom - a fairly new and versatile one as far as I know > PyCharm (not a native Debian Package) but very nice to debug Python > with. The community edition is free.

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On 09/06/2017 08:07 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: [snip] <> But convert to the true one editor, infidels :) :) :) :) :) :) :) ! You did mean TECO didn't you?

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

> "GH" == Gene Heskett writes: GH> On Wednesday 06 September 2017 04:16:36 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 06, 2017 at 04:19:03PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: >> >> [...] >> >> > To paraphrase someone else paraphrasing Voltaire: I may disagree >> > with your choice

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On Wednesday 06 September 2017 04:16:36 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Wed, Sep 06, 2017 at 04:19:03PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > > [...] > > > To paraphrase someone else paraphrasing Voltaire: I may disagree > > with your choice of text editor, but I will defend to the death your > > right to use

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

I use emacs (mostly for programming and writing documentation and LaTeX) and vim(mostly when I edit configuration files or very large text files). Some alternatives which (some of them may have been mentioned in this thread): Atom - a fairly new and versatile one as far as I know PyCharm (not a

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

> "NB" == Nick Boyce writes: NB> I don't want to provoke any religious war here, and sorry if I NB> offend anybody, but: emacs is ridiculously heavy-weight, Indeed is larger than any other editor, but AFAIK is the only editor exposing the language it is implemented in.

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Sep 06, 2017 at 04:19:03PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: [...] > To paraphrase someone else paraphrasing Voltaire: I may disagree with > your choice of text editor, but I will defend to the death your right to > use it. There. This is the one to

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

Nick Boyce writes: > I don't like to confess to my august and more sophisticated colleagues > here how much code I've written using joe - albeit in the simpler > languages (a variety of Bash scripts, Perl, C, HTML and similar). Joe is a fine text editor licensed as free

Editor survival [Was: Recommended editor for novice programmers?]

On 06.09.17 05:31, Nick Boyce wrote: > I don't like to confess to my august and more sophisticated colleagues > here how much code I've written using joe - albeit in the simpler > languages (a variety of Bash scripts, Perl, C, HTML and similar). > There is some syntax highlighting, but no

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On Sat, 02 Sep 2017 18:21:07 + Tom Browder wrote: > I would especially appreciate other ideas for programming editors for > novice programmers. If you really want to have a *simple* non-GUI (i.e. terminal) screen-mode editor available that novice programmers who are

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Tom Browder wrote: > My Linux user group is setting up one desktop computer and one laptop > computer for lending to our local library as an educational resource for > folks who want to explore what Linux is all about. We are using Debian 9

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On 2017-09-04 at 17:23, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: >> On 9/2/17, 7:29 PM, Doug wrote: >> >>> There must be something simpler than emacs or vi that will still >>> allow coding formatting! > > There are quite a few GUI editors that support coding formatting, > some by an interface to something

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

> On 9/2/17, 7:29 PM, Doug wrote: > > There must be something simpler than emacs or vi that will still allow > > coding formatting! There are quite a few GUI editors that support coding formatting, some by an interface to something like a pretty printer, and some by autoindent in various

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On 2017-09-02 Tom Browder wrote: > I would especially appreciate other ideas for programming editors for > novice programmers. Jed, http://www.jedsoft.org/jed/, is highly recommendable! Morten

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On 9/2/17, 7:29 PM, Doug wrote: There must be something simpler than emacs or vi that will still allow coding formatting! Personally, I use nano from a terminal session, or GEdit from a Gnome session. -- JHHL

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On Sunday, 3 September 2017 21:33:55 CEST Dejan Jocic wrote: > On 03-09-17, solitone wrote: > > But is there anything that can do code autocomplation, for C++ or Java for > > instance? Like getting the list of methods available for an object, when > > typing a dot, as a typical IDE would do. > >

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On Mon, Sep 04, 2017 at 09:42:20AM +1200, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote: > On 03/09/17 06:21, Tom Browder wrote: > > I would especially appreciate other ideas for programming editors for > > novice programmers. > > I use and recommend geany. And Eclipse. +1 geany I use geany for note taking, and

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On 03/09/17 06:21, Tom Browder wrote: I would especially appreciate other ideas for programming editors for novice programmers. I use and recommend geany. And Eclipse. Kind regards, -- Ben Caradoc-Davies Director Transient Software Limited New

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

Dejan writes: > For Emacs: > https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/AutoComplete > Something like that? There are also bunches more, many claiming to be IDEs. I've not tried them. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On 03-09-17, solitone wrote: > On Saturday, 2 September 2017 15:01:37 CEST The Wanderer wrote: > > I'm not sure what you would qualify as a "programming editor", but what > > I use to write code (when nano won't do) is geany, which is a graphical > > syntax-highlighting editor with various other

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Sep 03, 2017 at 08:48:08PM +0200, solitone wrote: > On Saturday, 2 September 2017 15:01:37 CEST The Wanderer wrote: > > I'm not sure what you would qualify as a "programming editor", but what > > I use to write code (when nano won't do) is

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On Saturday, 2 September 2017 15:01:37 CEST The Wanderer wrote: > I'm not sure what you would qualify as a "programming editor", but what > I use to write code (when nano won't do) is geany, which is a graphical > syntax-highlighting editor with various other features useful to a > programmer.

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On 09/02/2017 12:21 PM, Tom Browder wrote: > My Linux user group is setting up one desktop computer and one laptop > computer for lending to our local library as an educational resource for > folks who want to explore what Linux is all about. We are using Debian > 9 for now. > > I am open to

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

wrote: Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2017 11:48:24 From: rhkra...@gmail.com To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers? Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2017 15:48:48 + (UTC) Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org On Sunday, September 03, 2017 11:30:09 AM Larry

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On Sat, 2 Sep 2017 20:34:27 -0500, Mario Castelán Castro wrote: >Assuming that people in the OP's library is representative of the >general population, then most people in that library will never “develop >a greater interest in computers” like you and me. Run-of-the-mill

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On Sunday, September 03, 2017 11:30:09 AM Larry Dighera wrote: > On Sat, 2 Sep 2017 20:46:33 -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > >I do occasionally use vi (when > >I'm stuck with no other editor), but I wouldn't wish either on a novice > >programmer. Further, I don't think they have any advantage

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On Sat, 2 Sep 2017 20:46:33 -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: >I do occasionally use vi (when >I'm stuck with no other editor), but I wouldn't wish either on a novice >programmer. Further, I don't think they have any advantage over a good GUI >editor with features like a scripting language,

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

I saw (after I posted my last comments) that the OP (Tom Browder) has gently suggested that he has heard enough, but I feel compelled to add a few more comments, just to make sure things are clear. Not all of my comments are relevant to this post, so I'll add this here: The survey that

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

I guess we're into editor religion--have we been trolled? But ... On Saturday, September 02, 2017 09:17:01 PM Dejan Jocic wrote: > You'll > get frustrated every time you have to reach for the mouse or move your > cursor letter by letter with the arrow keys. If the last time you used a GUI

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 05:03 Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙) wrote: > In Article < > cafmgiz_yn+qa52wb2nfhphv6g2thj-azjisu1xznytv8hui...@mail.gmail.com>, > Tom Browder writes: > > > My Linux user group is setting up one desktop computer [...] Thanks for

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

In Article , Tom Browder writes: > My Linux user group is setting up one desktop computer [...] Well i just like to use Github with Emacs in real life. As you know i'm writer, not programer. Thanks!!!

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On 03.09.17 03:17, Dejan Jocic wrote: > On 02-09-17, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Saturday, September 02, 2017 06:46:33 PM david...@freevolt.org wrote: > > > > > > When, many years later, I developed a greater interest in computers, I > > > was happy to discover that > > > > > >1. I

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On 02/09/17 17:46, david...@freevolt.org wrote: > I somehow doubt that you yourself find Emacs or Vim "difficult to > use", or believe their design is "arcane". (Of course, I might well be > mistaken. I'm only guessing.) I use GNU Emacs. I am being honest when I say that it is difficult to use

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On 02/09/17 15:37, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Saturday, September 02, 2017 03:03:23 PM Mario Castelán Castro wrote: > This is OT to the subject of this thread,but at first I was going to comment > and say that there is also, for example, KDE/Linux, as, indeed, I rarely > touch > anything

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On 09/02/2017 02:21 PM, Tom Browder wrote: My Linux user group is setting up one desktop computer and one laptop computer for lending to our local library as an educational resource for folks who want to explore what Linux is all about. We are using Debian 9 for now. I am open to any

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On 02-09-17, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Saturday, September 02, 2017 06:46:33 PM david...@freevolt.org wrote: > > On Sat, 2 Sep 2017, Mario Castelán Castro wrote: > > [snip] > > > > > On 02/09/17 13:34, Dejan Jocic wrote: > > >> You can set up both Vim and Emacs as powerful programming

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

rhkramer writes: > Further, I don't think they have any advantage over a good GUI editor > with features like a scripting language, keyboard macros, outlining / > folding, syntax highlighting, and such. Emacs has all of those as well as a GUI. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On 09/02/2017 01:17 PM, Dejan Jocic wrote: On 02-09-17, Mario Castelán Castro wrote: On 02/09/17 13:34, Dejan Jocic wrote: You can set up both Vim and Emacs as powerful programming editors. These are the *worst* possible suggestions. Both of these editors require a lot of learning to even use

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On Saturday, September 02, 2017 06:46:33 PM david...@freevolt.org wrote: > On Sat, 2 Sep 2017, Mario Castelán Castro wrote: > [snip] > > > On 02/09/17 13:34, Dejan Jocic wrote: > >> You can set up both Vim and Emacs as powerful programming editors. > > > > These are the *worst* possible

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On Sat, 2 Sep 2017, Mario Castelán Castro wrote: [snip] On 02/09/17 13:34, Dejan Jocic wrote: You can set up both Vim and Emacs as powerful programming editors. These are the *worst* possible suggestions. Both of these editors require a lot of learning to even use them at all. If the OP

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On Sat, 2 Sep 2017, Tom Browder wrote: My Linux user group is setting up one desktop computer and one laptop computer for lending to our local library as an educational resource for folks who want to explore what Linux is all about. We are using Debian 9 for now. I am open to any suggestions

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

> My Linux user group is setting up one desktop computer and one laptop > computer for lending to our local library as an educational resource for > folks who want to explore what Linux is all about. We are using Debian 9 > for now. The first think is to realize that Linux is a kernel, not an

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

Dejan writes: > And if someone prefers GUI editor, there is always gvim. Emacs is also a GUI editor if you want it to be. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On Saturday, September 02, 2017 03:03:23 PM Mario Castelán Castro wrote: > The first think is to realize that Linux is a kernel, not an operating > system. A more appropriate name for the OS is GNU/Linux. Moreover, that > is the name Debian uses for its GNU/Linux versions (it also has other >

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

Oops, now I see--"novice programmer" is in the subject line. Still, I stand by my (and Cindy's) comments, maybe some willl borrow the computers who are not interested in programming--I certainly hope so! :-) On Saturday, September 02, 2017 04:28:51 PM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > +1, and I'll

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On Saturday, September 02, 2017 02:39:43 PM Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > On 9/2/17, Tom Browder wrote: > > My Linux user group is setting up one desktop computer and one laptop > > computer for lending to our local library as an educational resource for > > folks who want to

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On 02-09-17, Mario Castelán Castro wrote: > On 02/09/17 13:34, Dejan Jocic wrote: > > You can set up both Vim and Emacs as powerful programming editors. > > These are the *worst* possible suggestions. Both of these editors > require a lot of learning to even use them at all. If the OP follows >

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On Saturday 02 September 2017 15:03:23 Mario Castelán Castro wrote: > > My Linux user group is setting up one desktop computer and one > > laptop computer for lending to our local library as an educational > > resource for folks who want to explore what Linux is all about. We > > are using

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On Sat, 02 Sep 2017 18:21:07 + Tom Browder wrote: > My Linux user group is setting up one desktop computer and one laptop > computer for lending to our local library as an educational resource > for folks who want to explore what Linux is all about. Could you

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On 2017-09-02 at 14:21, Tom Browder wrote: > My Linux user group is setting up one desktop computer and one > laptop computer for lending to our local library as an educational > resource for folks who want to explore what Linux is all about. We > are using Debian 9 for now. > > I am open to

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On 9/2/17, Tom Browder wrote: > My Linux user group is setting up one desktop computer and one laptop > computer for lending to our local library as an educational resource for > folks who want to explore what Linux is all about. We are using Debian 9 > for now. > > I am

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

On 02-09-17, Tom Browder wrote: > My Linux user group is setting up one desktop computer and one laptop > computer for lending to our local library as an educational resource for > folks who want to explore what Linux is all about. We are using Debian 9 > for now. > > I am open to any

Recommended editor for novice programmers?

My Linux user group is setting up one desktop computer and one laptop computer for lending to our local library as an educational resource for folks who want to explore what Linux is all about. We are using Debian 9 for now. I am open to any suggestions for standard packages we should add. I