Systemd services (was Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...)

2017-04-21 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 5:42 PM, Joel Rees wrote: On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 4:13 AM, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > Like numerous linux users I have sometimes lamented coming to terms with > systemd. My belief is that it's a well-written collection of

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2017-04-21 Thread Joel Rees
On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 4:13 AM, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > Like numerous linux users I have sometimes lamented coming to terms with > systemd. My belief is that it's a well-written collection of software which > is somewhat over-engineered. It fills a need, sure, though

Re: Systemd services (was Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...)

2017-04-21 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
Like numerous linux users I have sometimes lamented coming to terms with systemd. My belief is that it's a well-written collection of software which is somewhat over-engineered. It fills a need, sure, though I've managed to live and work without it for a long time (been using linux since 1994).

Re: Systemd services (was Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...)

2017-04-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 03:17:00PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > Note: systemd is not for end-users, it is for system administrator and > distribution authors. {systemctl,journalctl,etc.} --user beg to differ. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not

Re: Re: Systemd services (was Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...)

2017-04-16 Thread Laurent Bigonville
Greg Wooledge > wrote: On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 03:17:00PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > Le quintidi 25 germinal, an CCXXV, Greg Wooledge a écrit : > > Some day there will be actual end-user-friendly systemd documentation > > somewhere,

Re: Systemd services (was Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...)

2017-04-14 Thread Joel Rees
On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 9:37 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote: > [...] >Don't even get me started on sshd.service vs. ssh.service. Do you >have any idea how hard it is to notice that extra/missing "d", and >figure out why things Simply Do Not Work? Well, that

Re: Systemd services (was Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...)

2017-04-14 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
Greg Wooledge: > Don't even get me started on sshd.service vs. ssh.service. Do > you have any idea how hard it is to notice that extra/missing “d”, > and figure out why things Simply Do Not Work? * http://www.mail-archive.com/supervision@list.skarnet.org/msg01486.html *

Re: Systemd services (was Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...)

2017-04-14 Thread Martin Read
On 14/04/17 14:17, Nicolas George wrote: Le quintidi 25 germinal, an CCXXV, Greg Wooledge a écrit : Some day there will be actual end-user-friendly systemd documentation somewhere, consolidating all of these pieces of wisdom together. I hope. Note: systemd is not for end-users, it is for

Re: Systemd services (was Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...)

2017-04-14 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 03:17:00PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > Le quintidi 25 germinal, an CCXXV, Greg Wooledge a écrit : > > Some day there will be actual end-user-friendly systemd documentation > > somewhere, consolidating all of these pieces of wisdom together. I hope. > > Note: systemd is

Re: Systemd services (was Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...)

2017-04-14 Thread Dejan Jocic
On 14-04-17, Nicolas George wrote: > Le quintidi 25 germinal, an CCXXV, Greg Wooledge a écrit : > > Some day there will be actual end-user-friendly systemd documentation > > somewhere, consolidating all of these pieces of wisdom together. I hope. > > Note: systemd is not for end-users, it is for

Re: Systemd services (was Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...)

2017-04-14 Thread Nicolas George
Le quintidi 25 germinal, an CCXXV, Greg Wooledge a écrit : > Some day there will be actual end-user-friendly systemd documentation > somewhere, consolidating all of these pieces of wisdom together. I hope. Note: systemd is not for end-users, it is for system administrator and distribution

Re: Systemd services (was Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...)

2017-04-14 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 10:01:25PM +0100, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote: > ... albeit poorly. If one wants to run daemontools under systemd, svscanboot > is > not the way; svscanboot is a thing of the past > http://jdebp.eu./FGA/inittab-is-history.html#svscanboot , and was a source of >

Systemd services (was Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...)

2017-04-13 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
Greg Wooledge: > > Suppose you want to start DJB's daemontools from a locally created systemd > unit/service. Here's a file that will do that: > ... albeit poorly. If one wants to run daemontools under systemd, svscanboot is not the way; svscanboot is a thing of the past

Re: Systemd services (was Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...)

2017-04-03 Thread deloptes
Kevin O'Gorman wrote: > Are you sure?  On my system, this produces nothing at all.  But the > directory > exists and is populated. It works great in jessie $ systemd --version systemd 215 +PAM +AUDIT +SELINUX +IMA +SYSVINIT +LIBCRYPTSETUP +GCRYPT +ACL +XZ -SECCOMP -APPARMOR

Re: Systemd services (was Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...)

2017-04-03 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Mon, Apr 03, 2017 at 09:36:16AM -0500, Tom Browder wrote: > But I kind of understand why systemd, but I wish I could find a good > cookbook description of how to add or modify a new process. I like the "systemd vs. sysvinit" cheatsheet at

Re: Systemd services (was Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...)

2017-04-03 Thread Joshua Schaeffer
On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: > >> To see a list of your available targets (assuming no major local changes), >> use this command: >> >> $ find /lib/systemd/ -name '*.target' >> >> > Are you sure? On my system, this produces nothing at all. But the

Re: Systemd services (was Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...)

2017-04-03 Thread Kevin O'Gorman
On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Apr 03, 2017 at 09:36:16AM -0500, Tom Browder wrote: > > But I kind of understand why systemd, but I wish I could find a good > > cookbook description of how to add or modify a new process. > > The first hurdle

Systemd services (was Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...)

2017-04-03 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Apr 03, 2017 at 09:36:16AM -0500, Tom Browder wrote: > But I kind of understand why systemd, but I wish I could find a good > cookbook description of how to add or modify a new process. The first hurdle is learning the terminology that systemd uses. It's not exactly intuitive. Systemd