On Friday 23 August 2013 22:56:22 Doug wrote:
On 08/23/2013 04:24 PM, Luther Blissett wrote:
/snip/
So I did a long search around, since I had absolutely no idea where I
was getting into. Back then I used to think that what was getting in the
way of free software were usability and
On 2013-08-24, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
You may be superhuman and never, ever make mistakes. Most of us are human
and
do make mistakes.
Maybe he did make one.
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Since everyone is giving away their bits os appreciation, I felt like
giving mine.
My first ever GNU/Linux distro was some old Red Hat, which I couldn't
handle well and was dropped in favor of Suse. Once again I had trouble
with network hardware and was forced to dive in the command line with
On 08/23/2013 04:24 PM, Luther Blissett wrote:
/snip/
So I did a long search around, since I had absolutely no idea where I
was getting into. Back then I used to think that what was getting in the
way of free software were usability and shinny.
/snip/
Funny I never *really* tried other
On Fri, 2013-08-23 at 17:56 -0400, Doug wrote:
On 08/23/2013 04:24 PM, Luther Blissett wrote:
/snip/
So I did a long search around, since I had absolutely no idea where I
was getting into. Back then I used to think that what was getting in the
way of free software were usability and
Doug wrote:
Luther Blissett wrote:
help I found in this community. Oh, and the shell... what a shinny
little thing, full of secrets.
I'm confused. I only know shinny as a verb: to shinny up a pole, or a
tree, etc. To climb, as a kid would. Here he uses it as a noun and an
adjective, and
On Fri, 2013-08-23 at 16:47 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
Doug wrote:
Luther Blissett wrote:
help I found in this community. Oh, and the shell... what a shinny
little thing, full of secrets.
I'm confused. I only know shinny as a verb: to shinny up a pole, or a
tree, etc. To climb, as a
On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 00:15 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Fri, 2013-08-23 at 17:56 -0400, Doug wrote:
On 08/23/2013 04:24 PM, Luther Blissett wrote:
/snip/
So I did a long search around, since I had absolutely no idea where I
was getting into. Back then I used to think that what was
On 8/24/13, Luther Blissett lbliss...@paranoici.org wrote:
On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 00:15 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Fri, 2013-08-23 at 17:56 -0400, Doug wrote:
On 08/23/2013 04:24 PM, Luther Blissett wrote:
/snip/
So I did a long search around, since I had absolutely no idea where I
On 8/20/13, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 11:12:15AM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On a more hair splitting note, we could say it is Universal, at the
price of being a little more generic sometimes than it could otherwise
be.
If you are going to
Le 19.08.2013 14:22, Ralf Mardorf a écrit :
For other tastes, there are other good distros too. Bad distros among
the well known IMO are only those, that don't have a community, such
as
e.g. Mint. Mint might be ok, but when those people run into issues,
they
ask at Debian and Ubuntu lists.
On Tue, 2013-08-20 at 18:06 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
[ ubuntu | archlinux | gentoo ]
$ cat /etc/issue
Arch Linux \r (\l)
This is my main distro, IOW the distro I like the best, while
switching to systemd wasn't the best idea, it split the community,
people were banned from
On Mon, 2013-08-19 at 11:12 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On 8/19/13, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote:
I know you would like the installer to do exactly what your custom
strategy is for your system. But that is difficult. There are many
custom strategies.
Debian IS! THE! Universal!
On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 09:25:23PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2013-08-18 at 03:12 +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
johndoe sounds like a great name for an admin account.
There's a Debian BSD port ;), so how about Charlie Root?
[snip]
too long, didn't read
IOW, tl;dr
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On Sun, 2013-08-18 at 21:33 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 09:25:23PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2013-08-18 at 03:12 +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
johndoe sounds like a great name for an admin account.
There's a Debian BSD port ;), so how about Charlie Root?
On Sun 18 Aug 2013 at 06:51:04 +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 4:03 AM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:
On Sun 18 Aug 2013 at 03:12:39 +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
But debian's installer tries to encourage the user to not enable root,
No, it doesn't.
Perhaps you would
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 12:17:46PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2013-08-18 at 21:33 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 09:25:23PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
[snip]
too long, didn't read
IOW, tl;dr
In my opinion it won't add more sane security, if a
On 8/18/13, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 12:17:46PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2013-08-18 at 21:33 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 09:25:23PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
[snip]
too long, didn't read
IOW,
On Sun, 2013-08-18 at 21:40 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On 8/18/13, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 12:17:46PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2013-08-18 at 21:33 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 09:25:23PM +0200, Ralf
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:
On Sun 18 Aug 2013 at 06:51:04 +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 4:03 AM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:
On Sun 18 Aug 2013 at 03:12:39 +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
But debian's installer tries to encourage the
Joel Rees wrote:
Maybe I need to file a feature request (for my own satisfaction, even
if it gets rejected).
What I lean towards is providing the installing user
(1) the opportunity to set the root password,
(2) the opportunity to set a separate admin account and password
(member of sudo
On 8/19/13, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote:
Joel Rees wrote:
Maybe I need to file a feature request (for my own satisfaction, even
if it gets rejected).
What I lean towards is providing the installing user
(1) the opportunity to set the root password,
(2) the opportunity to set a separate
In case you're still confused, I'll try a little more direct response.
(Lots of informative responses in this thread, but I feel a blog
coming on. The rant I wrote on this a long time ago needs updating.)
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 7:14 PM, François Patte
francois.pa...@mi.parisdescartes.fr wrote:
On Sun 18 Aug 2013 at 03:12:39 +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
But debian's installer tries to encourage the user to not enable root,
No, it doesn't.
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On Sun, 2013-08-18 at 03:12 +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
johndoe sounds like a great name for an admin account.
There's a Debian BSD port ;), so how about Charlie Root?
[snip]
too long, didn't read
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On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 4:03 AM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:
On Sun 18 Aug 2013 at 03:12:39 +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
But debian's installer tries to encourage the user to not enable root,
No, it doesn't.
Perhaps you would rather I said something like, it gives the option to
establish an
Le 15.08.2013 04:11, Richard Hector a écrit :
By using su, with root's password, that means everyone who has root
has
full root and knows the same password, so that will have to be
changed
if they are to be blocked, which means communicating the new password
to
all the required users.
I
On 8/16/2013 8:31 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 15.08.2013 04:11, Richard Hector a écrit :
By using su, with root's password, that means everyone who has root has
full root and knows the same password, so that will have to be changed
if they are to be blocked, which means
Le 16.08.2013 16:03, Jerry Stuckle a écrit :
On 8/16/2013 8:31 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 15.08.2013 04:11, Richard Hector a écrit :
By using su, with root's password, that means everyone who has root
has
full root and knows the same password, so that will have to be
On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 17:08 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Why would it be worse than a shared admin account? For the shared
account, I can easily understand why it's not something to do, but I can
not see the problem with multiple root accounts?
(I did not said that the admins
On 8/16/2013 11:08 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 16.08.2013 16:03, Jerry Stuckle a écrit :
On 8/16/2013 8:31 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 15.08.2013 04:11, Richard Hector a écrit :
By using su, with root's password, that means everyone who has root has
full root
Le 16.08.2013 17:43, Ralf Mardorf a écrit :
On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 17:08 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org
wrote:
Why would it be worse than a shared admin account? For the shared
account, I can easily understand why it's not something to do, but I
can
not see the problem with multiple
Le 16.08.2013 17:50, Jerry Stuckle a écrit :
On 8/16/2013 11:08 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 16.08.2013 16:03, Jerry Stuckle a écrit :
On 8/16/2013 8:31 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 15.08.2013 04:11, Richard Hector a écrit :
By using su, with root's password,
Bonjour,
For some unknown reason I did not activate the root account during the
installation. I activated it from a user account, say John Doe.
Now John Doe can become root anytime and do anything on my machine.
How can I deactivate this? I have seen that John Doe is a member of
almost all
You can set up a root account, but you anyway shouldn't run X sessions
as root. The Debian on my machine and all Debian installs I ever used
had a root account by default, but sudo wasn't enabled.
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On Wed, 2013-08-14 at 12:49 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
You can set up a root account, but you anyway shouldn't run X sessions
as root. The Debian on my machine and all Debian installs I ever used
had a root account by default, but sudo wasn't enabled.
Oops, pushed the wrong button, I wanted to
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 12:14:47PM +0200, François Patte wrote:
Bonjour,
For some unknown reason I did not activate the root account during the
installation. I activated it from a user account, say John Doe.
Now John Doe can become root anytime and do anything on my machine.
How can I
Le 14/08/2013 14:44, Darac Marjal a écrit :
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 12:14:47PM +0200, François Patte wrote:
Bonjour,
For some unknown reason I did not activate the root account during the
installation. I activated it from a user account, say John Doe.
Now John Doe can become root anytime
Hello,
On 14/08/13 15:30, François Patte wrote:
Moeover, by default on my debian install, I could see that root login
through ssh is allowed: is it really the default configuration?
Yeap !
For details, read the subsection `PermitRootLogin set to yes' in the first
section of
On 8/14/2013 8:44 AM, Darac Marjal wrote:
I believe the idea is to discourage people from logging in as root. You
can't get rid of root completely (any user with an ID of 0 is root), nor
would you want to. But there have been many a horror story of people
logging in as a super-user (either Root
On 14.08.2013 17:36, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
I agree in principle that sudo is better then su. The problem I have
with it is security; when you use sudo you type in your own password. So
if your password is compromised, the hacker can do anything the sudo
user can do - which may be very bad.
root usually does connect to the Internet too, e.g. to run apt, ntp,
etc. pp., even the internet connection for the user has to be
established by root, maybe not by a human being, but at least e.g. on
startup automatically.
You don't have to give a user special permissions, it's the admin's task
On Wed, 2013-08-14 at 10:36 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
However, when I use su, I need to key in the root password before
doing anything. This adds another layer of security to the system.
He?
Than configure sudo to ask for the password too.
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ sudo mcedit
[sudo]
On 8/14/2013 12:04 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Wed, 2013-08-14 at 10:36 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
However, when I use su, I need to key in the root password before
doing anything. This adds another layer of security to the system.
He?
Than configure sudo to ask for the password too.
On 8/14/2013 10:40 AM, Lars Noodén wrote:
On 14.08.2013 17:36, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
I agree in principle that sudo is better then su. The problem I have
with it is security; when you use sudo you type in your own password. So
if your password is compromised, the hacker can do anything the sudo
On Wed, 14 Aug 2013 12:21:43 -0400
Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote:
On 8/14/2013 12:04 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Wed, 2013-08-14 at 10:36 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
However, when I use su, I need to key in the root password before
doing anything. This adds another layer of
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
Darac Marjal wrote:
I believe the idea is to discourage people from logging in as root.
I think it is more one of trying to simplify things for the
non-technical user. Having non-technical users deal with one password
is hard. Having non-technical users deal with two
On Wed, 2013-08-14 at 20:03 +0100, Joe wrote:
it has the sudo advantages [snip] of being required for each command.
That's not true and it would be a disadvantage.
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ su
Password:
[root@archlinux rocketmouse]# exit
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ sudo -i
[sudo] password for
An advantage of sudo:
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ su -c mcedit /etc/fstab
su: user /etc/fstab does not exist
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ su -c mcedit /etc/fstab
Password:
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ sudo mcedit /etc/fstab
[sudo] password for rocketmouse:
If you work much with command line as user
On 15/08/13 01:30, François Patte wrote:
I think that sudo system is less secure than the old system root account.
1) Anybody with sudo root permission (as it is the case for the first
person using sudo after an installation) can do sudo bash and he can
run as many commands as he wants as
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