Re: Removing non-free - reality check.

2000-06-12 Thread Sven Rudolph
Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Double standards are damned fun! "Does Debian include non-free software?" "Well that depends ... Debian doesn't officially provide non-free, no." "Unofficially?" "It's all there, waiting for you." "Cool." Thats the difference between the Debian

Re: An ammendment (Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to AbolishNon-Free)

2000-06-12 Thread C. Cooke
On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Anthony Towns wrote: snip dists/ woody/ main contrib non-free todists/woody/ main add-on/ contrib non-free

Re: It isn't quite Condorcet's method.

2000-06-12 Thread Darren O. Benham
In the end, it takes a lot to change our constitution and I fail to see what would be gained. On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 01:36:43AM +, MIKE OSSIPOFF wrote: [snipped an interesting and long discussion on voting methods] If members of debian want to perfect their voting system, then I

Re: It isn't quite Condorcet's method.

2000-06-12 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 02:58:35PM -0700, Darren O. Benham wrote: In the end, it takes a lot to change our constitution and I fail to see what would be gained. Elimination of ambuguity. Recent events have persuaded me, however, that lots of people like their ambiguity, even if it ultimately

Re: It isn't quite Condorcet's method.

2000-06-12 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Branden Robinson wrote: I should point out that leaving this issue unresolved makes it possible for people to raise a legitimate challenge to our voting procedure, since the present description avails itself of multiple interpretations of the same set of ballots. I

Re: It isn't quite Condorcet's method.

2000-06-12 Thread Darren O. Benham
I could rediscribe the method but I couldn't make changes as large as what were suggested without going through the formal change process for the constitution. On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 07:27:43PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Branden Robinson wrote: I should point out

Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free

2000-06-12 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 7 Jun 2000, John Goerzen wrote: Debian General Resolution Resolved: A. That the Debian Social Contract with the Free Software Community be amended as follows: 1. That text of Section 5 be modified to read: We acknowledge that some of our

Re: Removing non-free - reality check.

2000-06-12 Thread Sven Rudolph
Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Double standards are damned fun! Does Debian include non-free software? Well that depends ... Debian doesn't officially provide non-free, no. Unofficially? It's all there, waiting for you. Cool. Thats the difference between the Debian distribution

Re: An ammendment (Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free)

2000-06-12 Thread Joey Hess
I second this amendment. Anthony Towns wrote: On Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 11:03:33PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: DEBIAN GENERAL RESOLUTION Proposed by: John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wish to propose an ammendment to the proposed resolution as follows. The text of the resolution should be

Re: It isn't quite Condorcet's method.

2000-06-12 Thread Darren O. Benham
In the end, it takes a lot to change our constitution and I fail to see what would be gained. On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 01:36:43AM +, MIKE OSSIPOFF wrote: [snipped an interesting and long discussion on voting methods] If members of debian want to perfect their voting system, then I

Re: An ammendment (Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free)

2000-06-12 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 05:22:43PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: The intention of this ammendment is to provide a means for developers to offer their support of the existing social contract while acknowledging that the current situation does indeed give somewhat too much credibility. I'm afraid

Re: It isn't quite Condorcet's method.

2000-06-12 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 02:58:35PM -0700, Darren O. Benham wrote: In the end, it takes a lot to change our constitution and I fail to see what would be gained. Elimination of ambuguity. Recent events have persuaded me, however, that lots of people like their ambiguity, even if it ultimately

Re: It isn't quite Condorcet's method.

2000-06-12 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Branden Robinson wrote: I should point out that leaving this issue unresolved makes it possible for people to raise a legitimate challenge to our voting procedure, since the present description avails itself of multiple interpretations of the same set of ballots. I

Re: It isn't quite Condorcet's method.

2000-06-12 Thread Darren O. Benham
I could rediscribe the method but I couldn't make changes as large as what were suggested without going through the formal change process for the constitution. On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 07:27:43PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Branden Robinson wrote: I should point out