General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-16 Thread Santiago Vila
Draft. Comments welcome. Please Cc the list, not me. Those who have in Debian the power to do so, will implement the following: To avoid spammers harvesting addresses from the list archives: - The public web archives

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-16 Thread Santiago Vila
On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Adam Heath wrote: On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Santiago Vila wrote: Those who have in Debian the power to do so, will implement the following: The rest of your email is ignorable, because the above is blatantly wrong. You can't force anyone to do anything, period. If you

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-16 Thread Jim Penny
On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 06:59:26PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: Draft. Comments welcome. Please Cc the list, not me. I also object to this in its entirety. Now, if you want to be helpful, introduce tarpitting into

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-16 Thread Jérôme Marant
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 06:59:26PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: Draft. Comments welcome. Please Cc the list, not me. I object to this proposal in its entirety. How about giving arguments? -- Jérôme Marant http://marant.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-16 Thread Santiago Vila
Enough comments. I withdraw my proposal (better said: I won't make it official). Thanks everybody. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-16 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Santiago Vila wrote: [subscribers automatically whitelisted] No other mail will reach the lists until it's approved by a moderator If a poster was approved once, they get added to the white list too. Auto Approval of mails with valid References/In-Reply-To could also

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-16 Thread Brian May
On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 06:59:26PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: - The public web archives of the different debian mailing lists, past, present and future, will be processed so that it becomes impossible for an ordinary user not having special privileges to mail someone who posted something to

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-16 Thread Joey Hess
A. This has no business being a general resolution, and would be an abuse of that process, IMHO[1]. B. If by some fluke all or any substantial number of these proposals came to pass, whether by GR ot any other means, I would no longer find Debian to be the type of project which I

Re: RFD: Reviving Constitutional amendment: Smith/Condorcet vote tallying

2002-10-16 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 03:27:59PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: -- A.3. Voting procedure 1. Each independent set of related amendments is voted on in a separate ballot. Each such ballot has as options all the

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-16 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 11:06:00AM -0700, David N. Welton wrote: Those of us without root, as far as I can see, have only the route of democracy in the form of our system of resolutions, the constitution, and all that other nonsense, to get things done that we can't directly do ourselves.

Re: RFD: Reviving Constitutional amendment: Smith/Condorcet vote tallying

2002-10-16 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 01:47:35PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: Shouldn't the quorom be counted at the same time the supermajority is? ie: If a quorum is required for an option, there must be [...] default option. If there are not, then that option is discarded, and reference to it in ballot

General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-16 Thread Santiago Vila
Draft. Comments welcome. Please Cc the list, not me. Those who have in Debian the power to do so, will implement the following: To avoid spammers harvesting addresses from the list archives: - The public web archives

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-16 Thread Adam Heath
On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Santiago Vila wrote: Draft. Comments welcome. Please Cc the list, not me. Those who have in Debian the power to do so, will implement the following: The rest of your email is ignorable, because

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-16 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 06:59:26PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: Draft. Comments welcome. Please Cc the list, not me. I object to this proposal in its entirety. -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux |Yeah, that's what Jesus would do. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-16 Thread Santiago Vila
On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Adam Heath wrote: On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Santiago Vila wrote: Those who have in Debian the power to do so, will implement the following: The rest of your email is ignorable, because the above is blatantly wrong. You can't force anyone to do anything, period. If you want

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-16 Thread David N. Welton
Adam Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you want something done, do it yourself. Maybe telling him off was the right thing to do, but not in this way, unless you propose to give him root to let him do things himself. Those of us without root, as far as I can see, have only the route of

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-16 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
sorry for replying to the wrong list Draft. Comments welcome. Please Cc the list, not me. === = Those who have in Debian the power to do so, will implement the following: To avoid spammers harvesting addresses from the

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-16 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Branden Robinson wrote: On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 06:59:26PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: Draft. Comments welcome. Please Cc the list, not me. I object to this proposal in its entirety. AOLme too/AOL yours,

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-16 Thread Jim Penny
On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 06:59:26PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: Draft. Comments welcome. Please Cc the list, not me. I also object to this in its entirety. Now, if you want to be helpful, introduce tarpitting into

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-16 Thread Jérôme Marant
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 06:59:26PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: Draft. Comments welcome. Please Cc the list, not me. I object to this proposal in its entirety. How about giving arguments? -- Jérôme Marant http://marant.org

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-16 Thread Bastian Kleineidam
Santiago, On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 06:59:26PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: Draft. Comments welcome. Please Cc the list, not me. - The public web archives of the different debian mailing lists, past, present and future, will be processed so that it becomes impossible for an ordinary user not

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-16 Thread Greg Norris
On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 12:44:06PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 06:59:26PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: Draft. Comments welcome. Please Cc the list, not me. I object to this proposal in its entirety. Ditto.

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-16 Thread Santiago Vila
Enough comments. I withdraw my proposal (better said: I won't make it official). Thanks everybody.

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-16 Thread Colin Walters
On Wed, 2002-10-16 at 12:59, Santiago Vila wrote: - The Debian source package format will be modified so that .dsc and .changes files do not need to have the complete email of the maintainer, only his name and gpg signature. That is completely insane.

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-16 Thread Bas Zoetekouw
Hi Branden! You wrote: On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 06:59:26PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: Draft. Comments welcome. Please Cc the list, not me. I object to this proposal in its entirety. Me too. -- Kind regards, ++ | Bas

Re: RFD: Reviving Constitutional amendment: Smith/Condorcet vote tallying

2002-10-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi folks, Raul Miller and I have been hashing this off line for a bit, and this is what we have come up with (most of the driving came from Raul, I am merely pushing this into the -vote list): It still needs to be reviewed, and we'll need

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-16 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Santiago Vila wrote: [subscribers automatically whitelisted] No other mail will reach the lists until it's approved by a moderator If a poster was approved once, they get added to the white list too. Auto Approval of mails with valid References/In-Reply-To could also work.

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-16 Thread Brian May
On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 06:59:26PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: - The public web archives of the different debian mailing lists, past, present and future, will be processed so that it becomes impossible for an ordinary user not having special privileges to mail someone who posted something to

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-16 Thread Pete Ryland
On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 06:59:26PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: Draft. Comments welcome. Please Cc the list, not me. I'd just like to say I agree with the proposal. Pete

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-16 Thread Joey Hess
A. This has no business being a general resolution, and would be an abuse of that process, IMHO[1]. B. If by some fluke all or any substantial number of these proposals came to pass, whether by GR ot any other means, I would no longer find Debian to be the type of project which I

Re: RFD: Reviving Constitutional amendment: Smith/Condorcet vote tallying

2002-10-16 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 03:27:59PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: -- A.3. Voting procedure 1. Each independent set of related amendments is voted on in a separate ballot. Each such ballot has as options all the

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-16 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 11:06:00AM -0700, David N. Welton wrote: Those of us without root, as far as I can see, have only the route of democracy in the form of our system of resolutions, the constitution, and all that other nonsense, to get things done that we can't directly do ourselves.

Re: RFD: Reviving Constitutional amendment: Smith/Condorcet vote tallying

2002-10-16 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 01:47:35PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: Shouldn't the quorom be counted at the same time the supermajority is? ie: If a quorum is required for an option, there must be [...] default option. If there are not, then that option is discarded, and reference to it in ballot