Re: First Call for votes: General resolution for the handling of the non-free section

2004-03-13 Thread Mikko Moilanen
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 11:35:47 +0100 Sender: Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you are not able to understand what Free software means, maybe you don't want to use Debian. There are plenty non-free operating systems out there, no one here will blame you for choosing one of

Re: First Call for votes: General resolution for the handling of the non-free section

2004-03-13 Thread John Lines
Is it too much if somebody says Please let others know that I did wrote this manual? Also, please don't let them change my personal opinions about X, Y and Z.? Yes, it is too much and that's why we need GNU FDL. # #181494: GNU Free Documentation License is non-free Package: glibc;

Re: First Call for votes: General resolution for the handling of the non-free section

2004-03-13 Thread Mikko Moilanen
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:32:59 -0600 From: Chad Walstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 08:20:40PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 09:19:40AM +0200, Mikko Moilanen wrote: Declare it as nonfree and I will quit immediatly using Debian, and I will

Re: keep non-free proposal

2004-03-13 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-03-12 22:49:26 + Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 12:02:53PM +, MJ Ray wrote: It seems reasonable to ask whether the maintainer can just close or ignore the bug as invalid before N people file M bugs against non-free with apparent replacements in

Re: keep non-free proposal

2004-03-13 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 07:17:59PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't understand you. You claim that all the packages in non-free should go, and when i point you out a method on how to do that, you refuse to do that and speak bureaucrasy.

Re: keep non-free proposal

2004-03-13 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then after a time, either when he agrees or he is being unreasonable, you bring the issue before the technical comittee, which can override the maintainer if he is being wrongly stubborn. Except that the Technical Committee does *not* have the right to

Re: First Call for votes: General resolution for the handling of the non-free section

2004-03-13 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Mikko Moilanen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you cant understand what means 4. Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software then I will recommend that you think about some philosophy in the mean time too. Of course. And I believe that the long-term interests of our users are not

Re: drop or keep non-free - from users viewpoint

2004-03-13 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 05:32:13PM +, MJ Ray wrote: Short memory. Don't some FSF machines use Debian? I think basically all of them do. It should go without saying: sans non-free. Regards, Mako -- Benjamin Mako Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mako.yukidoke.org/ signature.asc Description:

Re: keep non-free proposal

2004-03-13 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Mar 13, 2004 at 02:22:41AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then after a time, either when he agrees or he is being unreasonable, you bring the issue before the technical comittee, which can override the maintainer if he is being wrongly

Re: keep non-free proposal

2004-03-13 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Mar 13, 2004 at 02:22:41AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then after a time, either when he agrees or he is being unreasonable, you bring the issue before the technical comittee, which can override the maintainer if he is being wrongly

Re: keep non-free proposal

2004-03-13 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Mar 13, 2004 at 10:33:32AM +, MJ Ray wrote: On 2004-03-12 22:49:26 + Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 12:02:53PM +, MJ Ray wrote: It seems reasonable to ask whether the maintainer can just close or ignore the bug as invalid before N people

Re: keep non-free proposal

2004-03-13 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-03-13 14:36:21 + Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Mar 13, 2004 at 10:33:32AM +, MJ Ray wrote: On 2004-03-12 22:49:26 + Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 12:02:53PM +, MJ Ray wrote: It seems reasonable to ask whether the maintainer

Re: drop or keep non-free - from users viewpoint

2004-03-13 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 02:13:03PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On 08 Mar 2004 13:49:57 -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 11:46:42AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: First Call for votes: General resolution for the handling of the non-free section

2004-03-13 Thread Mikko Moilanen
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 11:35:47 +0100 Sender: Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you are not able to understand what Free software means, maybe you don't want to use Debian. There are plenty non-free operating systems out there, no one here will blame you for choosing one of

Re: First Call for votes: General resolution for the handling of the non-free section

2004-03-13 Thread Mikko Moilanen
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:32:59 -0600 From: Chad Walstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 08:20:40PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 09:19:40AM +0200, Mikko Moilanen wrote: Declare it as nonfree and I will quit immediatly using Debian, and I will

Re: keep non-free proposal

2004-03-13 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-03-12 22:49:26 + Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 12:02:53PM +, MJ Ray wrote: It seems reasonable to ask whether the maintainer can just close or ignore the bug as invalid before N people file M bugs against non-free with apparent replacements in

Re: keep non-free proposal

2004-03-13 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 07:17:59PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't understand you. You claim that all the packages in non-free should go, and when i point you out a method on how to do that, you refuse to do that and speak bureaucrasy.

Re: keep non-free proposal

2004-03-13 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then after a time, either when he agrees or he is being unreasonable, you bring the issue before the technical comittee, which can override the maintainer if he is being wrongly stubborn. Except that the Technical Committee does *not* have the right to

Re: First Call for votes: General resolution for the handling of the non-free section

2004-03-13 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Mikko Moilanen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you cant understand what means 4. Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software then I will recommend that you think about some philosophy in the mean time too. Of course. And I believe that the long-term interests of our users are not

Re: drop or keep non-free - from users viewpoint

2004-03-13 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 05:32:13PM +, MJ Ray wrote: Short memory. Don't some FSF machines use Debian? I think basically all of them do. It should go without saying: sans non-free. Regards, Mako -- Benjamin Mako Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mako.yukidoke.org/ signature.asc Description:

Re: keep non-free proposal

2004-03-13 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Mar 13, 2004 at 02:22:41AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then after a time, either when he agrees or he is being unreasonable, you bring the issue before the technical comittee, which can override the maintainer if he is being wrongly

Re: keep non-free proposal

2004-03-13 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Mar 13, 2004 at 02:22:41AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then after a time, either when he agrees or he is being unreasonable, you bring the issue before the technical comittee, which can override the maintainer if he is being wrongly

Re: keep non-free proposal

2004-03-13 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Mar 13, 2004 at 10:33:32AM +, MJ Ray wrote: On 2004-03-12 22:49:26 + Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 12:02:53PM +, MJ Ray wrote: It seems reasonable to ask whether the maintainer can just close or ignore the bug as invalid before N people

Re: keep non-free proposal

2004-03-13 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-03-13 14:36:21 + Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Mar 13, 2004 at 10:33:32AM +, MJ Ray wrote: On 2004-03-12 22:49:26 + Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 12:02:53PM +, MJ Ray wrote: It seems reasonable to ask whether the

Re: drop or keep non-free - from users viewpoint

2004-03-13 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 02:13:03PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On 08 Mar 2004 13:49:57 -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 11:46:42AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: keep non-free proposal

2004-03-13 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: Sure they do: 4. Overrule a Developer (requires a 3:1 majority). The Technical Committee may ask a Developer to take a particular technical course of action even if the Developer does not wish to; this requires a 3:1

Re: First Call for votes: General resolution for the handling of the non-free section

2004-03-13 Thread Mikko Moilanen
From: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] You may (or may not) be interested in: http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.html Well, I am interested about subject and so I will read available information. Conversation about subject is over from me untill I have catched up.

Re: keep non-free proposal

2004-03-13 Thread Raul Miller
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: Sure they do: 4. Overrule a Developer (requires a 3:1 majority). The Technical Committee may ask a Developer to take a particular technical course of action even if the Developer does not wish to; this requires a