Question for A. Towns - NM

2005-03-03 Thread David N. Welton
A. Towns writes, in his platform: I think it's important that the project accept contributions from as large and diverse a group of technically skilled people as we can manage. I think the best way to achieve this is: 1. To have our lists filled with interesting technical discussions,

Re: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-03 Thread Ben Burton
I'm glad you mentioned this. An informal group working quietly and effectively seems to lack accountability and public transparency. Rightio. So your problems are (i) secrecy, and (ii) lack of accountability. As for secrecy, I find your objections interesting. The debian-women project has

Exclusion, was: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-03 Thread MJ Ray
Jonathan Walther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MJ Ray wrote: Why should the sex imbalance be seen as any more urgent than race, culture or any of the other tons of ways debian is demographically different? Debian already has a debian-women mailing list for discussing such issues. This indicates

Re: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-03 Thread MJ Ray
Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But you saw no need to consult the people you named prior to including them in a list of appointees as to whether they would be willing to be a part of your little sham committee. So a committee of those people would be nothing other than a sham? Or are

Re: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-03 Thread David Nusinow
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 04:20:40PM +, MJ Ray wrote: The longest journey begins with a single step. Not even the shortest journey begins without that single step! Giving someone a shove down the stairs isn't a real winning strategy to starting a journey. Depends if you put

Re: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-03 Thread MJ Ray
Ben Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for secrecy, I find your objections interesting. The debian-women project has been making great efforts to actively improve transparency of processes and access to relevant documentation throughout debian. They have? I thought they just posted bugfixes

Re: Question for candidate Towns [Was, Re: DPL election IRC Debate - Call for questions]

2005-03-03 Thread Anthony Towns
Steve Langasek wrote: As someone who is both an ftpmaster and a DPL candidate, could you also tell us what resources you (or the ftpmasters as a group, if you believe it's appropriate to speak for them) would appreciate? The most valuable thing I can think of would be to not have to have some

Re: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-03 Thread MJ Ray
David Nusinow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 04:20:40PM +, MJ Ray wrote: The longest journey begins with a single step. Not even the shortest journey begins without that single step! Giving someone a shove down the stairs isn't a real winning strategy to

Questions about kroogers platform

2005-03-03 Thread Alexander Wirt
Hi, I have just one question, how do you explain the differences about your platform and your statements posted in this thread: http://lists.debian.org/debian-women/2004/07/msg00217.html Alex -- Alexander formorer Wirt KeyID: BC7D020A EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 28651245

Re: Question for candidate Towns [Was, Re: DPL election IRC Debate - Call for questions]

2005-03-03 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 09:27:36AM -0800, Anthony Towns wrote: Steve Langasek wrote: As someone who is both an ftpmaster and a DPL candidate, could you also tell us what resources you (or the ftpmasters as a group, if you believe it's appropriate to speak for them) would appreciate? The

Re: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-03 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 11:39:31AM -0500, David Nusinow wrote: On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 04:20:40PM +, MJ Ray wrote: The longest journey begins with a single step. Not even the shortest journey begins without that single step! Giving someone a shove down the stairs isn't a real

Re: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-03 Thread Kevin B. McCarty
MJ Ray wrote: Ben Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Immediate examples that come to mind include their detailed articles on the NM process, the new mentoring programme that they are developing and a growing collection of entry-level articles on packaging and bug squashing. Where are these

Re: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-03 Thread Kevin B. McCarty
sorry, Thunderbird (actually the wrapper shell script) messed up the in-reply-to by eating the $ symbols. That last email should have been in reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. -- Kevin B. McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Physics Department WWW: http://www.princeton.edu/~kmccarty/Princeton University

Re: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-03 Thread Helen Faulkner
Helen Faulkner's series of essays about going through NM -- unfortunately I can't find the first one; the rest are at: http://lists.debian.org/debian-women/2004/08/msg00126.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-women/2004/10/msg00017.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-women/2004/12/msg00056.html

Re: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-03 Thread Ben Burton
would any of you have answered a Request For Comments or Call for Volunteers from krooger, honestly? Which, if you are correct, makes it even less appropriate for krooger to use them in his DPL platform. /me bravely returns to the topic.. b. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 05:14:53PM +, MJ Ray wrote: Ben Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for secrecy, I find your objections interesting. The debian-women project has been making great efforts to actively improve transparency of processes and access to relevant documentation

Re: Exclusion, was: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-03 Thread Joey Hess
MJ Ray wrote: The debian-installer developers are working on probably the single biggest improvement to debian access for years, making it easier to install, but some languages that were in the old installer are not in the new one and the list has been closed for the next release with very

Re: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-03 Thread Matthew Garrett
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where are these articles posted? As a package sponsor, it could be a useful resource for me and my maintainers. I didn't find them anywhere obvious on http://www.debian.org/devel/join/ http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/PackagingTutorial and

Re: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-03 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 05:28:47PM +, MJ Ray wrote: David Nusinow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 04:20:40PM +, MJ Ray wrote: The longest journey begins with a single step. Not even the shortest journey begins without that single step! Giving someone a