[followup question] Career path for non-maintainer DD's

2005-03-16 Thread Javier Candeira
What are the candidates' plans for formulating a clear policy for access to DD status (with the all-important right to vote in Debian elections) for other type of contributors (translators, UI/artist types, and even -gasp- lawyers seem the most obvious examples)? Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

DPL IRC debate log

2005-03-16 Thread MJ Ray
A (xhtml, line-numbered, colourised) log of #debian-dpl-debate is available at http://people.debian.org/~mjr/debian_dpl_debate.html Let me know if you want reasonable presentation mods. Like the BBC says: other logs may exist. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of

Re: DPL election IRC Debate - Call for questions

2005-03-16 Thread MJ Ray
Ean Schuessler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The accounting solution at SPI is still tenuous. Illness, accident or simple boredom could still easily lead us to the situation we had before. The solution you've outlined could work but it increases complexity rather than removing it. I don't know

IRC debate feedback

2005-03-16 Thread Helen Faulkner
Hi All, Having just run the 2005 DPL IRC debate (and a stressful experience it was too), Martin Krafft and I would like to get feedback on what people thought of the debate and how it was run. Suggestions for future debates will be very welcome, not that I am planning to volunteer to do that again

Re: Question for all candidates: Security team

2005-03-16 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-03-15 12:32]: It has been asserted on several occasions over the last few years that the security team is overworked and understaffed. This is a problem that is hard for the average developer to help with, because someone who spontaneously volunteers

Question to candidates that signed the Vancouver plan as candidate DPL

2005-03-16 Thread Bill Allombert
Hello DPL candidate who signed the Vancouver plan, (Excluding Anthony Towns who signed as (ftpmaster) not as (DPL candidate).) The Vancouver plan has several mention of the security team which lead to believe it was accomodated to address the concern of this team. However [EMAIL PROTECTED] shows

Question about Anthony Towns rebutting Branden Robinson

2005-03-16 Thread MJ Ray
Anthony Towns's rebuttal to Branden Robinson looks partly false. It mentions Branden's demotion to deputy-treasurer under Jimmy Kaplowitz about SPI. It looks from http://www.spi-inc.org/corporate/resolutions/resolution-2004-01-06.jrk.1.br.1 and http://www.spi-inc.org/corporate/minutes/20040907

Re: Question to candidates that signed the Vancouver plan as candidate DPL

2005-03-16 Thread Joey Hess
Bill Allombert wrote: The Vancouver plan has several mention of the security team which lead to believe it was accomodated to address the concern of this team. However [EMAIL PROTECTED] shows that the security team was not consulted and the most active security officer does not endorse the

question for the candidates

2005-03-16 Thread Joey Hess
This is the question I tend to ask every time, with a twist.. I see many of good ideas for ways to improve the project in several of your platforms. If you are not elected DPL, which of those ideas do you still expect to be able to work on? How will you be able to do it without the power of being

Re: Question about Anthony Towns rebutting Branden Robinson

2005-03-16 Thread John Goerzen
On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 03:25:17PM +, MJ Ray wrote: Anthony Towns's rebuttal to Branden Robinson looks partly false. It mentions Branden's demotion to deputy-treasurer under Jimmy Kaplowitz about SPI. It looks from

Re: Question to candidates that signed the Vancouver plan as candidate DPL

2005-03-16 Thread Frank Küster
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Allombert wrote: The Vancouver plan has several mention of the security team which lead to believe it was accomodated to address the concern of this team. [...] Er, let's quote every mention of security in Steve's mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~wget -q -O -

Re: Question to candidates that signed the Vancouver plan as candidate DPL

2005-03-16 Thread Matthew Garrett
Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The interesting question still is: Do the DPL candidates think it is in order that such a plan is designed without consulting the security team? Did they know it wasn't consulted? etc. I think various people that should have been consulted weren't, and I

Re: Question to candidates that signed the Vancouver plan as candidate DPL

2005-03-16 Thread Bill Allombert
On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 05:58:42PM +0100, Frank K?ster wrote: Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are right with counting words, and Bill is wrong when he says the team was mentioned several times. But since there was no rationale for the criteria put on release arches, people tried to

Re: question for the candidates

2005-03-16 Thread Andreas Schuldei
On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 10:59:13AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: I see many of good ideas for ways to improve the project in several of your platforms. If you are not elected DPL, which of those ideas do you still expect to be able to work on? How will you be able to do it without the power of being

Re: Question to candidates that signed the Vancouver plan as candidate DPL

2005-03-16 Thread Andreas Schuldei
On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 03:53:55PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: Did you sign on the assumption it has been reviewed by the security team, or did you know they had not been consulted ? Did you make some investigations ? Joey was invited to the meeting but could not make it. He was on the list

Re: [followup question] Career path for non-maintainer DD's

2005-03-16 Thread Andreas Schuldei
On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 09:16:51AM +, Javier Candeira wrote: What are the candidates' plans for formulating a clear policy for access to DD status (with the all-important right to vote in Debian elections) for other type of contributors (translators, UI/artist types, and even -gasp-

Re: Question for the candidates

2005-03-16 Thread Andreas Schuldei
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 11:08:21PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: Bug #112699 illustrates a typical communication problem in debian. Since it is a social problem and not technical, I think this is an issue that should be addressed by the DPL (not tech ctte, whatsoever). I disagree. The DPL is

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andreas Schuldei)] Re: Question to candidates that signed the Vancouver plan as candidate DPL

2005-03-16 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Forwarded to the list at Andreas' request. ---BeginMessage--- On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 01:48:32PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: So this isn't really a James Troup question, it's a question of how much screw-up is necessary before a delegation should be yanked? This depends on many

Re: Question about Anthony Towns rebutting Branden Robinson

2005-03-16 Thread Bill Allombert
I concurr. I find AJ rebuttal on that specific point outrageous: I am a SPI contributing member since 2001. By my reckon: 1) Branden is the only candidate that has contributed to SPI management. 2) Branden is by far the SPI contributor that has done the most for SPI since 2001. 3) Branden

Re: Question for Matthew Garrett

2005-03-16 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Martin Schulze wrote: Synchronising security updates for several *distributions* (i.e. different source versions) is a pain. Sychronising for all architectures is quite easy as long as our great buildd network is in good shape. There's one area where the two are easily conflated --

Re: Question about Anthony Towns rebutting Branden Robinson

2005-03-16 Thread Ean Schuessler
On Wednesday 16 March 2005 10:13 am, John Goerzen wrote: Speaking solely for myself here: your analysis is correct. Branden was not forced out, but resigned, and volunteered to help Jimmy later. You may also find these minutes of interest: http://www.spi-inc.org/corporate/minutes/20040106

Re: Question about Anthony Towns rebutting Branden Robinson

2005-03-16 Thread Ean Schuessler
On Wednesday 16 March 2005 5:49 pm, Bill Allombert wrote: 1) Branden is the only candidate that has contributed to SPI management. 2) Branden is by far the SPI contributor that has done the most for SPI since 2001. 3) Branden become the treasurer at a point when SPI situation was awful. The

Re: [followup question] Career path for non-maintainer DD's

2005-03-16 Thread Anthony Towns
Javier Candeira wrote: What are the candidates' plans for formulating a clear policy for access to DD status (with the all-important right to vote in Debian elections) for other type of contributors (translators, UI/artist types, and even -gasp- lawyers seem the most obvious examples)? I don't

Re: Questions for the DPL candidates

2005-03-16 Thread Anthony Towns
Matthew Garrett wrote: Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote: I'm not sure I've seen any evidence of people becoming more tolerant, just because things happen more often. I'd be more inclined to expect the opposite, really. Especially if the complaints are focussed on the process rather

Re: Question about Anthony Towns rebutting Branden Robinson

2005-03-16 Thread Anthony Towns
MJ Ray wrote: It looks from http://www.spi-inc.org/corporate/resolutions/resolution-2004-01-06.jrk.1.br.1 and http://www.spi-inc.org/corporate/minutes/20040907 that there was 8 months between Branden quitting as treasurer and being named as deputy. It even looks like SPI acting on the suggestion

Re: Question about Anthony Towns rebutting Branden Robinson

2005-03-16 Thread Anthony Towns
Bill Allombert wrote: I concurr. I find AJ rebuttal on that specific point outrageous: So, Anthony, I don't know if you can change your rebuttal, but if you can I would suggest you to remove that part. Also, I suggest rebuttals to be restricted to the plateforms of the other candidates, not the

Re: Question to candidates that signed the Vancouver plan as candidate DPL

2005-03-16 Thread Anthony Towns
Bill Allombert wrote: Hello DPL candidate who signed the Vancouver plan, (Excluding Anthony Towns who signed as (ftpmaster) not as (DPL candidate).) No, I signed it as Anthony Towns, and left it up to Steve to work out which hat or hats he wanted to classify that under. (Well, actually I didn't

Re: Question: proposals for users' participation

2005-03-16 Thread Anthony Towns
Peter Samuelson wrote: [Anthony Towns] Hrm, I'm answering this as a How will electing Anthony help users contribute? question, rather than directly as the How can user's contribute? question it is. Actually you didn't say anything related to the DPL post. Oh, sweet then! Which I take to mean,

Re: Question for all candidates

2005-03-16 Thread Anthony Towns
Steve McIntyre wrote: Do we actually need a DPL? Would we be noticeably worse off without a DPL? ObVious: We'd be violating the constitution not to have one; if we refuse to elect one, we'll just have Manoj and Ian act as the DPL until we work out what we want. The general answer is, in my view,

Re: Questions for the DPL candidates

2005-03-16 Thread Frank Küster
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote: Matthew Garrett wrote: How about the creation of a checklist for meeting organisation and reporting? Something along the lines of: [...] 5) Does our write-up start with the problems we wish to address and then logically progress from there to the