Re: GFDL GR: Amendment: no significant invariant sections in main

2006-02-12 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le Dim 12 Février 2006 02:22, Osamu Aoki a écrit : Hi, I second Adeodato Simó's proposal but at the same time I consider it still leaves some spaces for the absolutism interpretation which tends to plague Debian. I consider we should have reasonable space for judgment for many things in

Re: Editorial changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-12 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
2006/2/11, Jérôme Marant [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There isn't anything to do with politess. If I hurted you, them please accept my apologies. But I'm frank enough to express my view as I feel them. As a non-native English speaker, the vocabulary might not always be appropriate. Hmm, you should

Re: GFDL GR summaries

2006-02-12 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Friday 10 February 2006 19:15, Thaddeus H. Black wrote: Thorough summaries written by representative proponents and opponents of each principal side of the GFDL debate would be well received at this time. Such summaries are requested. For other DDs, I cannot speak, but such summaries

Re: Editorial changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 11 Feb 2006, Jérôme Marant spake thusly: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 11 Feb 2006, Jérôme Marant outgrape: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 9 Feb 2006, Jérôme Marant spake thusly: The only people it made happy are extremists. Oh, so I am extremist now.

Re: DFSG4 and combined works

2006-02-12 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Anton Zinoviev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 12:03:45PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: In other situations, we might want to incorporate parts of the manual into the source (for tooltips, help texts, usage examples, etc..). We certainly couldn't do that with a GFDL manual

Re: DFSG4 and combined works

2006-02-12 Thread Anton Zinoviev
On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 01:51:08PM -0700, Hubert Chan wrote: You are allowed to *accompany* your document with the license. But an invariant section must be *part of* the document. [...] In the case of a reference card (as I understand the DFSG), you would not be allowed to just

Re: GFDL GR: Amendment: no significant invariant sections in main

2006-02-12 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.02.12.0222 +0100]: s/include no invariant sections/don't include any significant contents to prevent our Freedom in invariant sections/ and matching changes to the text. I think this sounds incredibly vague and leaves significant up in the air

Re: Question about GFDL licensed works

2006-02-12 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 12 février 2006 à 09:22 -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : Am I in violation of the License merely by unpacking make or by doing an tla get on my machine? If I am, why is this free -- I can't even unpack the sources with no Invariant Sections, with no Front-Cover Texts,

Re: DFSG4 and combined works

2006-02-12 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 12 février 2006 à 22:16 +0200, Anton Zinoviev a écrit : GFDL doesn't place any restrictions on the form of the printed document. For example it can be a collection of unbound sheets of paper plus some unbound pictures plus some bug maps plus a cup or two. All you have to do in

Re: GFDL GR, vote please!

2006-02-12 Thread Hubert Chan
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:10:19 +0200, Anton Zinoviev [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 02:31:30PM -0700, Hubert Chan wrote: If my opinion is not the same as yours I am allowed to express my opinion in additional invariant section. Or if I think your opinion is misleading the

A new practical problem with invariant sections?

2006-02-12 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Anton Zinoviev wrote: On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 01:19:58PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: We have already discussed many examples, if you have some new example you are welcome to share it with us. :-) I don't recall the following example being brought up. Let's assume a manual, written by

Re: A new practical problem with invariant sections?

2006-02-12 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 07:31:20PM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: Now, I'd like to download this (translated) manual and place it on a portable device I own, so I can easily read it without killing a bunch of trees. I think this is clearly a useful modification, and I think that I should be

Re: A new practical problem with invariant sections?

2006-02-12 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: don't be an idiot. you only have to keep the invariant sections if you are DISTRIBUTING a copy. you can do whatever you want with your own copy. Right, so you can't *distribute* a copy on an ASCII-only medium, even of the English translation of a

Re: A new practical problem with invariant sections?

2006-02-12 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 05:19:37PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: don't be an idiot. you only have to keep the invariant sections if you are DISTRIBUTING a copy. you can do whatever you want with your own copy. Right, so you can't

Re: A new practical problem with invariant sections?

2006-02-12 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: there's nothing in the GFDL that prevents you from doing that. the capabilities of your medium are beyond the ability of the GFDL (or any license) to control. This is hardly true. The GFDL says you must transmit the original Japanese text in the case

Re: A new practical problem with invariant sections?

2006-02-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 12 Feb 2006, Craig Sanders told this: On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 07:31:20PM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: Now, I'd like to download this (translated) manual and place it on a portable device I own, so I can easily read it without killing a bunch of trees. I think this is clearly a useful

Re: A new practical problem with invariant sections?

2006-02-12 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 10:44:51PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: What if he wants to further distribute the stuff to other people who are using a device like his? I mean, sharing stuff useful to me is one of the prime reasons I like free software -- if stuff is useful, I can share.