Hi,
I propose the following amendment to Steve's proposal.
THE DEBIAN PROJECT therefore,
1. reaffirms its dedication to providing a 100% free system to our
users according to our Social Contract and the DFSG; and
2. encourages authors of all works to make those
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 09:28:56AM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 12:47:42AM +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 03:25:05PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The idea is that the firmware is
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 12:47:42AM +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 03:25:05PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The idea is that the firmware is all the software and other softwarish
information which the vendor
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Josselin Mouette wrote:
3. supports the decision of the Release Team to require works such
as
images, video, and fonts to be licensed in compliance with the DFSG without
requiring source code for these works under DFSG #2; and
4. determines that as a
On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 11:37:20AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
I propose the following amendment to Steve's proposal.
THE DEBIAN PROJECT therefore,
1. reaffirms its dedication to providing a 100% free system to our
users according to our Social Contract and the DFSG; and
On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 11:37:20AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
I propose the following amendment to Steve's proposal.
THE DEBIAN PROJECT therefore,
1. reaffirms its dedication to providing a 100% free system to our
users according to our Social Contract and the DFSG; and
On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 08:03:39PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
Within a Debian context people normally seem to use the term firmware
to mean any binary blob that gets programmed into hardware. This could
include things like register settings or FPGA images as well as programs
to execute on
On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 11:37:20AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
I propose the following amendment to Steve's proposal.
THE DEBIAN PROJECT therefore,
1. reaffirms its dedication to providing a 100% free system to our
users according to our Social Contract and the DFSG; and
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 11:00:44PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
To those who consider ROM-less hardware cheap and nasty I suggest the
opposite is true. I design hardware (FPGAs) professionally for expensive
communications equipment. We avoid ROMs as much as possible, because
they are
Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
4. determines that for the purposes of DFSG #2, device firmware
shall also not be considered a program.
I am bothered that there is never a definition of firmware here.
Please note in this
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 03:54:13PM +0200, Reinhard Tartler wrote:
Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
4. determines that for the purposes of DFSG #2, device firmware
shall also not be considered a program.
I am bothered that
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Please note in this subthread, that Steve ist talking about ``device
firmware'', whereas this subthread is talking about ``firmware'' in general.
And note how the line blurs when you consider a peripheral firmware which is
using the same set of chips
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 04:50:45PM +0200, Reinhard Tartler wrote:
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Please note in this subthread, that Steve ist talking about ``device
firmware'', whereas this subthread is talking about ``firmware'' in
general.
And note how the line blurs when
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Let's say i have a wireless chip, which includes a pci interface which can be
either host or device, a wireless interface to some antenas, an arm core, some
ram and flash.
[explanations snipped]
This is not a 100% real example, since i am not aware of
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 05:49:47PM +0200, Reinhard Tartler wrote:
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Let's say i have a wireless chip, which includes a pci interface which can
be
either host or device, a wireless interface to some antenas, an arm core,
some
ram and flash.
Aurelien Jarno wrote:
Not also that I found sad that the DPL try to kill this GR with his
latest mail to debian-announce. The problem is known for a long time.
How does posting straw polls of our users and developers to d-d-a manage
to look to you like an attempt to stop this GR?
If he
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If it's the latter, I maintain that this is precisely the subject matter of
the proposed GR; we obviously *don't* have agreement in Debian over what
should or should not be considered a program, so I think that's begging
the question.
However, your
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
relevant part is this:
4. determines that for the purposes of DFSG #2, device
firmware shall also not be considered a program.
I as non native speaker understand that as this: [...]
Yeah, but then way not say it clearly, and say that we
Le mardi 29 août 2006 à 14:15 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit :
If he wanted to help, it should have been done that before, not a 3
months before the announced date of the release. And also not while
proposals are beeing discussed. He just want to be awarded because he
found a solution to the
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 03:07:11PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 11:00:44PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
To those who consider ROM-less hardware cheap and nasty I suggest the
opposite is true. I design hardware (FPGAs) professionally for expensive
communications
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 10:07:55PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 03:07:11PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 11:00:44PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
To those who consider ROM-less hardware cheap and nasty I suggest the
opposite is true. I design
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Michael Poole wrote:
I'm not going to argue with your previous points, which are all
basically accurate.
Related to (a), current programmable hardware cannot run *any* CPU at
speeds that most users would accept for desktop use. However, solving
Ron Johnson wrote:
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[ 1 ] Choice 1: Release etch on time
[ 3 ] Choice 2: Do not ship sourceless firmware in main
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On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 08:48:00PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
Debian needs to make a decision on how it will deal with this legal
minefield. That is higher priority than the entire discussion going on
right now, because it determines whether Debian will distribute these 53
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