Re: %20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-25 Thread Frank Küster
Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - then I am granted the right to help fixing the bug I found a few months ago No, you don't have to do that to help fix the bug. To help fix the bug, all you have to do is post a patch on the bug log. Which is what he did. If you think the

Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-25 Thread Kapil Hari Paranjape
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So here's a proposal for the Debian Maintainers idea that's been floating around for some time now [0]. One reason[*] in favour of having such a DM category is that there may be software developers who would be willing to package their

Re:%20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-25 Thread Benjamin BAYART
So here was my practical conclusion: I did send a bug report, useless during months, and that bug report was used to argue that the package is broken and unkaintained and to remove it. Conclusion: reporting on a un-maintained package is something dangerous. Hm, what was the severity of the

Re: %20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-25 Thread Joey Schulze
Benjamin BAYART wrote: Another case come back in my mind: pandora. Those fonts have been available with TeX since years and years. They have been removed from Debian/main for good reasons (wrong license: free for non commercial use). In my mind, in such a case, it should be mandatory to move

Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-25 Thread Sam Hocevar
On Thu, Jun 21, 2007, Anthony Towns wrote: 1) A new keyring will be created, called the Debian maintainers keyring. It will be initially maintained in alioth subversion using the jetring tool, with commit priveleges initially assigned to: [...] * the Jetring developers

Re: %20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-25 Thread Frank Küster
Benjamin BAYART [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So here was my practical conclusion: I did send a bug report, useless during months, and that bug report was used to argue that the package is broken and unkaintained and to remove it. Conclusion: reporting on a un-maintained package is something

Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-25 Thread Benjamin BAYART
Interesting - is that talk available somewhere? Neither www.tug.org nor uk.tug.org seem to have it. Sure, here it is: In issue 21-3 of TUGboat: http://www.tug.org/TUGboat/Contents/contents21-3.html The first talk in the list, about FDNTeX. By reading it, you'll find some ideas that were quite

Re: Re:%20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-25 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Benjamin BAYART [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070625 13:14]: If you read back to the DM proposal, it is clearly stated that a DM is not allowed to upload a NEW package. So, the approach is not wanting to packageupload anything but a given package. But licenses are nothing fixed. Upstream can decide to

Re: Re:%20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-25 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
On Mon, 2007-06-25 at 12:53 +0200, Benjamin BAYART wrote: Le Sun, Jun 24, 2007 at 09:50:37PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG: Yes. So, the right solution if I want to help is: - first I spend a lot of time proving that I'm skilled enough to read crazy licenses in a language that is not

Re: Re:%20Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-25 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 05:13:35PM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote: To the DM proposers: Does the suggestion in the current form mean that I will no longer be allowed to sponser anyone out of fear he might become DM and thus said he is capable enough to maintain this type of package. If you

Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-25 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 10:51:09AM +0200, Sam Hocevar wrote: * the Jetring developers (Joey Hess, Anthony Towns, Christoph Berg) What is the rationale for giving this set of people commit rights? The full list was: * the Debian Account Managers (Joerg Jaspert, James Troup)

Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal - Use Cases

2007-06-25 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 02:50:59PM +0100, Anthony Towns wrote: So here's a proposal for the Debian Maintainers idea that's been floating around for some time now [...] I've used terms like initial policy quite a bit -- [...] Shortly before leaving DebConf someone (whose name I've forgotten,

Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-25 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 11057 March 1977, Anthony Towns wrote: [ In case some of the stuff below is already answered in different mails - pointing me at them is enough. I just had no time to read all of them, way too large thread. :) Thanks. ] The Debian Project endorses the concept of Debian Maintainers with

Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-25 Thread Benjamin Seidenberg
Joerg Jaspert wrote: snip What this also does is getting you out of touch with your (possible) sponsors, as now you let them upload once, advocate you, then you upload following versions yourself. A year later you have a new package and need to find a sponsor again, beginning from point

Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal - Use Cases

2007-06-25 Thread Sam Hocevar
On Mon, Jun 25, 2007, Anthony Towns wrote: Shortly before leaving DebConf someone (whose name I've forgotten, sadly) suggested that some sample use cases for the DM process might be useful. Here's some that come to my mind: Another use case that I'd like to mention is the Ubuntu maintainer

Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal - Use Cases

2007-06-25 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 07:45:20PM +0100, Anthony Towns wrote: == N-M queue = Authorised by: AM This one makes sense. I'd also add the sponsor in the people giving the ACK. == Sponsored Maintainers = Authorised by: Sponsor Notes: package should generally be

Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-25 Thread Felipe Sateler
Anthony Towns wrote: On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 05:13:35PM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote: To the DM proposers: Does the suggestion in the current form mean that I will no longer be allowed to sponser anyone out of fear he might become DM and thus said he is capable enough to maintain this type