Re: Results for General Resolution: Lenny and resolving DFSG violations

2009-01-01 Thread Bastian Blank
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 08:45:16PM -0500, Theodore Tso wrote: If there was a GR which chainged the Debian Social contract which relaxed the first clause to only include __software__ running on the Host CPU, I would enthusiastically vote for such a measure. I doubt that this a usable

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2009-01-01 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Ben Finney [Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:43:44 +1100]: Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes: You should not be proposing or seconding an option that you don't plan on ranking first. This seems quite wrong. Why should one not carefully and precisely phrase and propose an option that one does

Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR

2009-01-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
On Wed, 2008-12-31 at 12:01 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: While I understand the desire to add additional checks and balances in response to figures exercising power in ways we don't approve of, I think the fundamental problem with this latest vote was that the Secretary was asserting a power

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2009-01-01 Thread Ben Finney
Adeodato Simó d...@net.com.org.es writes: * Ben Finney [Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:43:44 +1100]: Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes: You should not be proposing or seconding an option that you don't plan on ranking first. (Don has, after subsequent argument, modified this to “… that you

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2009-01-01 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Ben Finney [Fri, 02 Jan 2009 09:17:28 +1100]: You should not write options you are not going to rank first, because the people who do care about that option winning should get to decide what's the wording that reflects their complete opinion and concerns. The people who do care about

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2009-01-01 Thread Ben Finney
Adeodato Simó d...@net.com.org.es writes: * Ben Finney [Fri, 02 Jan 2009 09:17:28 +1100]: You should not write options you are not going to rank first, because the people who do care about that option winning should get to decide what's the wording that reflects their complete

Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR

2009-01-01 Thread Mike Bird
Thank your for an excellent and insightful analysis. I wish to touch on just one point: On Thu January 1 2009 06:44:24 Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: What we need is an oracle that says: this is the correct interpretation of the Constitution. The oracle needs to be respected by both of us so

Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR

2009-01-01 Thread Michael Goetze
Hi Mike, as a fellow non-DD Debian user and advocate, I feel... Mike Bird wrote: Manoj has been a remarkably astute and unbiased delegate I would urge the DPL to re-appoint Manoj ...that you've disqualified yourself from commenting on matters concerning the Debian constitution.

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2009-01-01 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 04:18:02PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: 1: I'd be happier, though, if those proposing and seconding options would be more careful about the effects that their options may have, and be more vigilant about withdrawing options

Re: I hereby resign as secretary

2009-01-01 Thread s. keeling
Ian Jackson i...@davenant.greenend.org.uk: Manoj Srivastava writes (I hereby resign as secretary): I am hereby resigning as secretary, effective immediately. I'd just like to join all the other people saying that it's sad that we have come to this. As you know I haven't always