Re: Question for all candidates: Release process

2010-03-27 Thread Charles Plessy
Hello Bernhard and everybody, I think that the ‘RPM hell’ that you used to comment my propositions is more related to a situation when independant distributions are using the same package format, than when a distribution offers multiple repositories that obey to a policy that keeps the whole

Re: Question for all candidates: Release process

2010-03-27 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org wrote: Regarding my proposal, that is internal to Debian, I do not think that it is impossible. What I propose is a way for package maintainers to signal that their package is peripheral in the Debian system, in an opt-in

Re: Q for the Candidates: How many users?

2010-03-27 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 05:46:49PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: I suppose I shouldn't really be discussing this too much since it's a question for the DPL candidates rather than a general discussion topic, I believe this kind of interaction is perfectly fine, as it is showing various hidden

Re: Q for the Candidates: How many users?

2010-03-27 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 04:52:19AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: So at the start of the week, I asked: Eh, kudos for this experiment, even if people on IRC commented that there might have been a second reason for your question :-P, I didn't see this coming. I feel like replying to a couple of

Re: Question for all candidates: Release process

2010-03-27 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 03:17:03PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: In my experience, trivial RC bugs on not-so important packages attract volunteers because it is very rewarding to close RC bugs. snip So in my opinion, not all RC bugs are equal, and a better priority system would be useful to

planet.debian.org is RC buggy (?)

2010-03-27 Thread Frank Lin PIAT
Dear candidates, [I don't intend to start a flame war, but I do have venom for planets] planet.d.o has became one of the most visible media for Debian, if not the most visible one. Do you think it is a good thing? DFSG / rc-buggy ¨¨¨ I consider blogs as non-free, proprietary

Re: Question to the candidates

2010-03-27 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
[ oops, looks like this one has slipped through the cracks of my mutt ] On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:49:53PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: As a developer, how do you embody the spirit and culture that has made Debian a great operating system? I surely don't claim to embody all of the spirit and

Re: planet.debian.org is RC buggy (?)

2010-03-27 Thread Nico Golde
Hey, * Frank Lin PIAT fp...@klabs.be [2010-03-27 13:44]: [I don't intend to start a flame war, but I do have venom for planets] planet.d.o has became one of the most visible media for Debian, if not the most visible one. Do you think it is a good thing? [...] On what are you basing this

Re: planet.debian.org is RC buggy (?)

2010-03-27 Thread Frank Lin PIAT
Hi, Sorry if we are getting a little bit off-topic, feel free to follow up on debian-project (I would still be interested by the candidates PoV) On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 14:49 +0100, Nico Golde wrote: Hey, * Frank Lin PIAT fp...@klabs.be [2010-03-27 13:44]: [I don't intend to start a flame war,

Re: Question for all candidates: Release process

2010-03-27 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 04:13:11PM +0800, Paul Wise a écrit : Does popcon not already provide a way to order packages based on importance? rc-alert has both options for sorting bugs by both local global popcon score. Hi Paul, Popcon is definitely a potent indicator, but has its flaws as

Re: To all candidates: personal mentoring

2010-03-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Serafeim, On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:15:45AM +0100, Serafeim Zanikolas wrote: Dear candidates, With respect to attracting new contributors, please ponder the idea of a formal one-on-one mentoring scheme (as opposed to one-off interactions via d-mentors). I tend to believe that what we

Re: planet.debian.org is RC buggy (?)

2010-03-27 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 27 mars 2010 à 13:39 +0100, Frank Lin PIAT a écrit : DFSG / rc-buggy ¨¨¨ I consider blogs as non-free, proprietary material (a very few have a proper license, the distribution media s*cks anyway). Breaks DFSG #1: A document (HowTo...) published on planet can't be

Re: planet.debian.org is RC buggy (?)

2010-03-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 01:39:06PM +0100, Frank Lin PIAT wrote: Dear candidates, [I don't intend to start a flame war, but I do have venom for planets] planet.d.o has became one of the most visible media for Debian, if not the most visible one. Do you think it is a good thing? Not

Re: planet.debian.org is RC buggy (?)

2010-03-27 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 01:39:06PM +0100, Frank Lin PIAT wrote: planet.d.o has became one of the most visible media for Debian, if not the most visible one. Do you think it is a good thing? Our Planet, like any other Planet out there, is just what it is: an aggregator of individual blogs.

Re: Question to all candidates: How would you enforce Debian Community Guidelines?

2010-03-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Hector, On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 05:55:35PM +0100, Hector Oron wrote: [...] Secondly, I was wondering how Debian could make it easier for people to contribute than other (derivatives and non-derivatives) distributions. I came up with a really nice draft howto[1] When you say I came up

Re: planet.debian.org is RC buggy (?)

2010-03-27 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 04:03:06PM +0100, Frank Lin PIAT wrote: I doubt that a lot of users are reading planet (why should they..). IT specialist and corporate consumers want to know what is going on for the next release. Well, if they use planet.d.o for that, is their problem. Actually, it

Re: planet.debian.org is RC buggy (?)

2010-03-27 Thread Joey Hess
Nico Golde wrote: when it comes to our users. I have no numbers to prove that but I doubt that a lot of users are reading planet (why should they..). Because: j...@gnu:~/tmp/xscreensaver-5.10grep planet.debian.org -r . ./debian/patches/53_XScreenSaver.ad.in.patch:+*textURL:

Re: planet.debian.org is RC buggy (?)

2010-03-27 Thread Frank Lin PIAT
On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 17:56 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le samedi 27 mars 2010 à 13:39 +0100, Frank Lin PIAT a écrit : DFSG / rc-buggy ¨¨¨ I consider blogs as non-free, proprietary material (a very few have a proper license, the distribution media s*cks anyway).

Re: planet.debian.org is RC buggy (?)

2010-03-27 Thread Joey Hess
Frank Lin PIAT wrote: I consider blogs as non-free, proprietary material (a very few have a proper license, the distribution media s*cks anyway). I didn't notice a license on your email either. But every time I recall licenses of email being discussed, the conclusion has been that it doesn't

Re: planet.debian.org is RC buggy (?)

2010-03-27 Thread Joey Hess
Joey Hess wrote: Because: j...@gnu:~/tmp/xscreensaver-5.10grep planet.debian.org -r . ./debian/patches/53_XScreenSaver.ad.in.patch:+*textURL: http://planet.debian.org/rss20.xml ./debian/changelog:+ Now use planet.debian.org instead of .net Which is run regularly by 10%

Re: Question about membership.

2010-03-27 Thread Margarita Manterola
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org wrote: * Do you need to come up with a GR to change membership procedures, or is there a different way? I will cast a GR if I think it is needed. If I am wrong, the result will be NOTA, and I will resign as DPL. You'd

Question to all candidates: DPL's role in important package maintenance

2010-03-27 Thread Kumar Appaiah
Dear Candidates, First of all, I wish you all the very best for the elections! At the outset, this question is not meant to be inflammatory or to express ire at a particular individual or set of individuals involved; I have great respect for the contributions of all involved in the community.

Re: planet.debian.org is RC buggy (?)

2010-03-27 Thread Michael Banck
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 06:57:41PM +0100, Frank Lin PIAT wrote: May be some content could be moved to collaborative media, bts, etc May be some I am doing something post could be turned into a news May be that allowing comments should be a best practice A corporate blog is just

Re: planet.debian.org is RC buggy (?)

2010-03-27 Thread Russ Allbery
Frank Lin PIAT fp...@klabs.be writes: May be that allowing comments should be a best practice http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/comments.html -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org

Re: Question to all candidates: How would you enforce Debian Community Guidelines?

2010-03-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 06:47:13PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: However, as one of my initial actions as DPL, I do intend to submit a post to debian-devel-announce with a set of guidelines for people to follow when flamewars happen (and when they don't, in order to avoid them). Why is

Re: Question to all candidates: How would you enforce Debian Community Guidelines?

2010-03-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 05:26:36PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 06:47:13PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: However, as one of my initial actions as DPL, I do intend to submit a post to debian-devel-announce with a set of guidelines for people to follow when flamewars

Re: Question about membership.

2010-03-27 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 05:42:24PM -0300, Margarita Manterola a écrit : On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org wrote: * Do you need to come up with a GR to change membership procedures, or is there a different way? I will cast a GR if I think it is needed.

Re: Question to all candidates: How would you enforce Debian Community Guidelines?

2010-03-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 01:40:44AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 05:26:36PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 06:47:13PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: However, as one of my initial actions as DPL, I do intend to submit a post to

Re: planet.debian.org is RC buggy (?)

2010-03-27 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Frank Lin PIAT fp...@klabs.be wrote: The content isn't archived. Is this a problem? a feature? Actually the text at least is archived (but not exactly like a mailing list), an example: http://planet.debian.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi?terms=DPL -- bye, pabs