On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 05:43:38PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> Move choice 7 to 8 and put it seven.
>
> [ ] Choice 7: Rejecting and denouncing a witch-hunt against RMS.
>
> (maybe Craig has a better idea)
Thanks, looks goodexcept for two problems:
1. you've used the wrong article
e ones pushing for it.
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On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 09:14:53AM +, Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> > TEXT OF OPTION 5
> >
> > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against
> > Richard
>
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 11:25:13AM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> Craig, if you make this a new separate GR I will be glad to sponsor it.
why not do that yourself?
craig
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 09:33:48AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> > Short and simple:
> >
> > TEXT OF OPTION 5
> >
> >
> > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch
debian, debian's just being dragged into the
angry mob.
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Short and simple:
TEXT OF OPTION 5
Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard
Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of the
Free Software Foundation.
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On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 08:43:15PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> There is a common pitfall that uploads signed with a key that is expired in
> the keyring are silently dropped at some point during processing.
Thanks, i'll look into that. I'm pretty sure I signed it with my newest
(2015-ish) key,
refuses to learn".
Which means exactly what it says.
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On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 06:18:51PM +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote:
> [...] still not good enough to throw tantrums
> around with "witch-hunt". Women in past were burnt alive on stakes, so stop
> with extreme rhetoric when some expresses that they had it enough with
> sexist behavior.
Witch-hunt is a
On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 10:56:42AM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> debian-keyring (1998.09.27) unstable; urgency=low
>
> * Mon Sep 7 14:13:23 EDT 1998: [PGP/IG] Updated the key of Dima Barsky
> * Thu Sep 10 18:10:03 EDT 1998: [PGP/IG] Added the key of Craig Sanders
>
>
On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 05:07:59AM +0100, Phil Morrell wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Apr 2021, Craig Sanders wrote:
> > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against
> > Richard Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the
> > board of the Fre
TEXT OF OPTION 5
Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard
Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of the
Free Software Foundation.
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Short and simple:
TEXT OF OPTION 5
Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard
Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of the
Free Software Foundation.
is irrelevant. if you think that's a bug, then you have to supply
the patches to fix it and not tell other people to do so.
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stealth or forced conversions to systemd by
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I second Ian Jackson's proposal 'preserve freedom of choice of init
systems'
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On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 08:42:16PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Sat, May 05, 2007 at 12:04:25PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 06:06:18PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Sat, May 05, 2007 at 10:24:16AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
if he wants to move on and grow up
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moronic parody crap are amongst them.
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if he wants to move on and grow up and put it behind him, let him. it's
not like a stupid parody organisation actually harms anyone or anything.
I beg to differ
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but you've got to feel sorry for walther - after all, he's a member of
that most oppressed of minorities: white male middle-class christians.
apart from 90+% of the world's wealth and power and opportunities,
they've got nothing, nothing at all.
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as a neo-nazi propagandist, how quickly will you add nazi logos and
propaganda to the debian.org web site if you are elected as DPL?
how do you reconcile your overt anti-semitism with the fact that, as a
christian, you worship a jew?
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On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 08:32:19PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
* Craig Sanders:
there's nothing in the GFDL that prevents you from doing that. the
capabilities of your medium are beyond the ability of the GFDL (or any
license) to control.
Uhm, the existence of the anti-DRM clause
view is very selective. as is your reading of the DFSG. like
any zealot quoting scripture, you use only the bits that support your
current claim and ignore anything that doesn't.
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and non-free for the GFDL.
But it gets even better. You don't even have to accompany the binary
with the source itself. If you want, you can instead:
the GFDL has a similar provision. you can provide a link to an internet
address containing the full document.
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for convenience reasons,
then fair enough - but lying to pretend that the reason is that it's
non-free when it's really just inconvenient is inexcusable.
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On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 08:55:35PM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote:
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the DFSG also allows that the modification may be by patch only.
No, it does not.
yes it does.
Quoting DFSG 4, with emphasis added:
The license may restrict source-code from being distributed
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 08:07:48PM -0700, Hubert Chan wrote:
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:38:57 +1100, Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
the GFDL has a similar provision. you can provide a link to an
internet address containing the full document.
Please show me where the GFDL has
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On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 05:19:37PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
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don't be an idiot. you only have to keep the invariant sections if you
are DISTRIBUTING a copy. you can do whatever you want with your own
copy.
Right, so you can't
information. And
people call that free?
no, the GFDL does not prohibit sharing information.
the GFDL, same as any other license, simply is not capable of granting
the power to do the physically impossible.
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On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 09:49:51AM -0500, Zephaniah E. Hull wrote:
On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 11:31:38AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
i challenge any of you zealots to come up with a REAL WORLD, PRACTICAL
proof that the GFDL is non-free (and i mean actually non-free, not
merely inconvenient
of the work - which automatically
excludes it from being secondary.
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On Sun, Feb 05, 2006 at 09:14:12PM -0600, Richard Darst wrote:
On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 11:31:38AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
[the topic is invariant sections]
i challenge any of you zealots to come up with a REAL WORLD, PRACTICAL
proof that the GFDL is non-free (and i mean actually non
correct opinions.
no, you do not put words in other people's mouths.
you add your corrections and make it clear that they are YOURS and not
the original author's.
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no, code in a program could never be a secondary section. it is
inherently the primary topic of the work - which automatically
excludes it from being secondary.
It seems to me
something more suited to your talents. crayons,
perhaps.
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the GPL is non-free.
and the same for EVERY other software license, too.
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On Sun, Feb 05, 2006 at 05:55:54PM -0500, Zephaniah E. Hull wrote:
On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 09:34:19AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
so, your complaint is that if you delete the contents of the document,
then you can no longer change it?
are you for real? do you seriously take
texts in such a
case?
so what?
these are convenience issues, not freedom issues.
on the one hand: fair enough, you've got a right to whinge about
inconvenience.
on the other hand: bullshit! you don't have a right to falsely claim
that convenience issues are freedom issues.
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On Sat, Feb 04, 2006 at 04:42:41PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
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alternatively, print a single link to either the full documentation
(containing the invariant sections) or to just the invariant sections.
This might be a reasonable thing
On Thu, Feb 02, 2006 at 12:05:49PM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote:
Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
there's no law that specifically states you can't remove a credit or
copyright notice, either - it's just convention AND the fact that
you don't have any right to edit redistribute except
or via
the DFSG which was very strongly influenced by it.
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On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 05:22:39PM +, MJ Ray wrote:
That's exactly why it's not similar to the things allowed by the
patch clause. FDL is more a licence that requires later programmers
to add
).
no, it's not necessary to change anything.
DFSG patch clause.
read it.
explains all.
restricting modifications to original + patch only is explicitly
permitted.
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(mostly because even they realise they can't completely
ignore their existence without losing what few shreds of credibility
they have), but they're seriously reality-challenged.
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not bad enough to make GFDL non-free, or even bad enough to get upset
about. very mildly irked, perhaps...but no more.
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acknowledge it for the ridiculous opinion that it really is. they will
then proceed to defend their Truth against all infidels (i.e. those
daring to use reason).
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to or clarify the original inv.
sec. or it may discredit it or subvert it or argue against it. or it may
be about something else entirely. it could even be an argument based on
a wilfully stupid misinterpretation of the original.
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On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 05:22:39PM +, MJ Ray wrote:
Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...]
the patch to the opinions/rants/whatever in an invariant section
does not change that invariant section (it can't change, it's
*INVARIANT*). It adds a NEW invariant section which makes whatever
On Mon, Jan 30, 2006 at 01:08:36PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
On Mon, Jan 30, 2006 at 09:24:15AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
GIVE. IT. A. FUCKING. REST!
Craig,
I'm willing to debate whatever you want to debate about the GFDL, but
not with insults and shouting.
no, the truth
On Mon, Jan 30, 2006 at 10:24:17AM +, MJ Ray wrote:
Craig Sanders wrote:
as has been pointed out hundreds of times before, there are several
other situations where neither the DFSG nor the debian project require
modifiability - license texts and copyright notices, for example.
As has
On Mon, Jan 30, 2006 at 04:12:09PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 01:34:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
On Mon, Jan 30, 2006 at 01:08:36PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
I'm willing to debate whatever you want to debate about the GFDL, but
not with insults
of these windup dolls in here...maybe you're
all under the misapprehension that it's in some way clever to quote
someone's words back at them. or maybe you're all irony-challenged
americans and think that that constitutes irony.
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zealot prejudices.
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Software Foundation to do their bidding, no matter how idiotic.
these nutcases have been misusing the debian organisation in this and
similarly moronic ways for years. it's time to tell them where to go
and to stop turning debian into a bad joke.
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increasing disillusionment and disgust with the debian organisation and
the extremist vermin who infest it. it's why i do little or nothing for
debian any more, and am unlikely to do so unless and until debian gets
some sanity back.
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On Sun, Jan 29, 2006 at 05:13:26PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
On Mon, Jan 30, 2006 at 12:09:55AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 02:29:38AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 01:45:40AM +0200, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
(2) The Invariant Sections
On Mon, Jan 30, 2006 at 02:37:05AM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
ma, 2006-01-30 kello 09:24 +1100, Craig Sanders kirjoitti:
only indirectly. the real point, which you missed, was to be an accurate
description of reality - something that, as an extremist nutcase, you
are challenged
On Wed, May 26, 2004 at 12:52:46PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 12:56:06PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
On Sun, May 23, 2004 at 05:19:40PM +0200, Tore Anderson wrote:
For Debian to be 100% Free Software, it first must be 100% Software,
right?
wrong
deliberately violated the social contract on a few select issues,
nope.
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SC changes, they could anticipate the consequences of the change and voted
against it.
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. he's told you what he's willing and not willing to do,
and, whether you like it or not, he's not going to change his mind. there's no
point in harassing him.
oh...sorry...i forgot. this is debian-vote. pointless harassment and
bickering is the purpose of this list.
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but not seconding resolution, please approve
the use of your name in this context. (Anthony Towns and Ian Jackson)
If not OK, I will appreciate suggestion for the acceptable alternative.
Craig Sanders proposed
but not seconding resolution, please approve
the use of your name in this context. (Anthony Towns and Ian Jackson)
If not OK, I will appreciate suggestion for the acceptable alternative.
Craig Sanders proposed
On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 10:44:36PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
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On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 08:58:02PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
Since you have shown yourself to be an unprincipled cad, the notion of
you lecturing decent people about
On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 12:15:43AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
no, it demonstrates that if you presume to insult me then i will
give at least as good as i get.
[...]
do not attempt to communicate with me again. i have no interest
On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 10:01:27AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
Craig Sanders wrote:
you obviously can't understand simple instructions. i'll give them to you once
more just in case some faint glimmer of understanding manages to seep in:
DO NOT CONTACT ME AGAIN. I DO NOT WISH
? couldn't be me,
butter wouldn't melt in my mouth.
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On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 10:58:50AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
I don't believe my posts have been discourteous to Craig, but if
you lying piece of shit.
I said you
?
with anyone else i'd be inclined to ascribe this to a simple mistake or just
laziness, but your lying malice has been proven repeatedly.
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Since you have shown yourself to be an unprincipled cad, the notion of
you lecturing decent people about ethics is ironic in the extreme.
eat shit and die, you worthless low-life verminous bag of pus
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Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 08:58:02PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
Since you have shown yourself to be an unprincipled cad, the notion of
you lecturing decent people about
On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 12:15:43AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
no, it demonstrates that if you presume to insult me then i will
give at least as good as i get.
[...]
do not attempt to communicate with me again. i have no interest
On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 10:01:27AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
Craig Sanders wrote:
you obviously can't understand simple instructions. i'll give them to you
once
more just in case some faint glimmer of understanding manages to seep in:
DO NOT CONTACT ME AGAIN. I DO NOT WISH
? couldn't be me,
butter wouldn't melt in my mouth.
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Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 10:58:50AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
I don't believe my posts have been discourteous to Craig, but if
you lying piece of shit.
I said you
?
with anyone else i'd be inclined to ascribe this to a simple mistake or just
laziness, but your lying malice has been proven repeatedly.
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almost did. i completely ignored the thread until after the
second call for votes...and even after that, i just read the proposal and
didn't bother reading much of the discussion.
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On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 05:19:08PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
i propose an amendment that deletes everything but clause 1 of this proposal,
so that the entire proposal now reads:
that the amendments to the Social Contract contained
On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 10:09:36PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 09:45:18AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 08:41:35PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:
The Debian Project,
affirming its committment to principles of freeness for all works
On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 08:58:02PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
Since you have shown yourself to be an unprincipled cad, the notion of
you lecturing decent people about ethics is ironic in the extreme.
eat shit and die, you worthless low-life verminous bag of pus
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almost did. i completely ignored the thread until after the
second call for votes...and even after that, i just read the proposal and
didn't bother reading much of the discussion.
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to the Social Contract contained within the
General Resolution Editorial Amendments To The Social Contract
(2004 vote 003) be immediately rescinded.
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Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
i propose an amendment that deletes everything but clause 1 of this
proposal,
so that the entire proposal now reads:
that the amendments to the Social Contract contained
On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 10:09:36PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 09:45:18AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 08:41:35PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:
The Debian Project,
affirming its committment to principles of freeness for all works
that the Knights Lunar have proved that they are Holier Than Stallman, can
they just get on with the job of killing debian quickly? watching and waiting
for it to die slowly is both painful and unpleasant.
please hurry up and finish the job. it's the merciful thing to do.
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that the Knights Lunar have proved that they are Holier Than Stallman, can
they just get on with the job of killing debian quickly? watching and waiting
for it to die slowly is both painful and unpleasant.
please hurry up and finish the job. it's the merciful thing to do.
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On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 11:27:38AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
On 2004-04-17 01:21:59 +0100 Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
no, it's the loony extremists who want to throw out good software just
because they don't have carte-blanche to modify the documentation that are
being silly
On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 11:27:38AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
On 2004-04-17 01:21:59 +0100 Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
no, it's the loony extremists who want to throw out good software just
because they don't have carte-blanche to modify the documentation that are
being silly
On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 09:59:36AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
On 2004-04-16 04:32:57 +0100 Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 09:19:39AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
Even if not decided unanimously, the jury doesn't seem to be in much
doubt on it
where's the GR and the vote
and that
there is no policy which requires documentation to be DFSG-free.
if it might *become* a requirement in future, that implicitly means that it is
NOT a requirement now.
craig
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