Anthony == Anthony Towns a...@erisian.com.au writes:
Anthony Number one is something like where should the innovation come
from?
GN You may notice that unlike in previous years, I do not have a Grand
GN Vision, not in the same sense at least.
MD Of course, those are not
Lucas == Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org writes:
Lucas In five years, what should Debian's position and role be in the Free
Lucas Software ecosystem?
Lucas Are there other positions where we somehow risk ending up?
Lucas What can we rely on to get to that ideal position/role?
Lucas == Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org writes:
Lucas Hi,
Lucas You are probably familiar with SWOT analysis
Lucas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWOT_analysis).
I am not familiar with SWOT analysis, but read through the wiki quickly.
Lucas From your perspective, what are
Thomas == Thomas Goirand tho...@goirand.fr writes:
Thomas On 03/15/2015 09:57 AM, martin f krafft wrote:
Neil,
in your platform, you advocate PPAs and modernising our build and
infrastructure.
What's the DPL's role in this? Or, put differently, couldn't you
Anthony == Anthony Towns a...@erisian.com.au writes:
Anthony On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 09:46:04AM +0100, Gergely Nagy wrote:
The DPL already has the power to delegate tasks. I do not see how
electing more than one person would help with sharing the work: if it
can be shared
Lucas == Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org writes:
Lucas In his platform, Neil wrote:
I will spend some money we have horded. Debian currently holds
approximately $200,000 at SPI alone. Our donators didn't give us money
for it to be sat around in a bank account, we should spend
martin == martin f krafft madd...@debian.org writes:
martin What is your perception of fundraising in and around Debian?
I think fundraisers can be great, for specific non-recurring tasks, or
as an additional source of funding for significantly larger ones, which
would be very hard to fund
Stefano == Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org writes:
Since Stefano asked the other candidates to answer too, my answers are
below:
Stefano On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 06:44:45PM +, Neil McGovern wrote:
* Outreach. Every team complains (quite rightly!) about the lack of
people to
Stefano == Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org writes:
Stefano On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 09:31:03AM +0100, Gergely Nagy wrote:
So, the only way I could see the drop of SC §5 as a worthwhile goal,
is if we also removed non-free (and possibly contrib) too.
Stefano I respect
martin == martin f krafft madd...@debian.org writes:
martin also sprach Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org [2015-03-12 10:16
+0100]:
All candidates: how will you reconcile that with the fact that the DPL
currently only has a limited vision of what funds are available, and how
Martin == Martin Zobel-Helas zo...@debian.org writes:
Martin Will you revoke 20131008134615.ga19...@xanadu.blop.info or do you
Martin think this authorization is useful?
I have no plans of revoking that authorization.
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Stefano == Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org writes:
Stefano do you think the time is ripe for dropping section §5 of the Debian
Stefano Social Contract [1], namely Works that do not meet our free
software
Stefano standards or should we wait more?
[...]
Stefano - Dropping SC
martin == martin f krafft madd...@debian.org writes:
martin Have you considered working with a DPL team and if so, why have
martin you decided against including such plans in your platform?
Working with a DPL team has been at the back of my mind since zack's DPL
helpers initiative.
martin == martin f krafft madd...@debian.org writes:
martin Dear candidates,
martin What is your perception of DebConf and its organisation?
martin If any, what changes would you like to implement?
Unfortunately, I have no insight into how the DebConf organisation
works. My
Aigars == Aigars Mahinovs aigar...@gmail.com writes:
Aigars If you do not liek where Ian is coming from with his point of view -
Aigars do not argue with him. Argue with other people. Or, better yet,
argue
Aigars with the facts.
This sounds awfully similar to Don't feed the trolls,
Josh == Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org writes:
Josh For the sake of clarity, I'd like to point out that I didn't start
this
Josh thread solely because of a single IRC log, but rather because of a
Josh pattern of behavior over the last year that shows no signs of
Josh
Luca Falavigna dktrkr...@debian.org writes:
I would like to propose the following amendment proposal,
and I hereby call for seconds.
** Begin Alternative Proposal **
0. Rationale
Debian has decided (via the Technical Committee) to change its
default init system for the next
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes:
Here is the text:
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The Debian project asks its members to be considerate when proposing General
Resolutions, as the GR process may be disruptive regardless of the outcome of
Luca Falavigna dktrkr...@debian.org writes:
I'd like to draft an alternative proposal to the GR.
Would anybody consider it a nice addition to the proposals we
currently have, and eventually second it if I asked for it?
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Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org writes:
assume that a package maintainer is active but is doing a bad job
regarding our standards (things like ignoring problems in stable, breaking
backwards compatibility for no good reason, not packaging new upstream
versions in unstable, etc) and is not
Due to unexpected events, my plans and life got turned upside down (for
the better) in the past few days, and because of that, I have to scale
down a number of things. Unfortunately, running for DPL is one such
thing. However unlikely my winning would be, it would be dishonest from
me to continue
I hereby nominate myself as a candidate for the 2014 DPL election.
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Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes:
If this has not changed, is that something that the DPL candidates would
like to tackle ? (Bonus question to the DPL candidates: are you subscribed
to debian-private ?)
Private is like it always was (I am subscribed, and have been for every
day of my
gregor herrmann gre...@debian.org writes:
On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 18:02:08 +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
On 25/03/13 at 16:22 +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
Are we strict enough with our existing contributors? When we're trying
to work together as best we can to make the Universal Operating
Gunnar Wolf gw...@gwolf.org writes:
However, this topic does raise a question: Knowledge transfer. I might
be arguing on something marginally related to the vote at hand, but
anyway, when delegations shift (be it due to burnout, retirement,
rotation or whatever), we should make it as easy as
Gunnar Wolf gw...@gwolf.org writes:
Gergely Nagy dijo [Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 01:32:32PM +0100]:
Debian is also not impressively different, so to say. We have a distinct
culture, we have great technical solutions, but those are hardly enough
to impress someone who just casually looks. We need
Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org writes:
(I still hadn't replied to that question -- I'll do that by following-up
on Moray's reply since I agree with most of it)
...and I'll take the easiest route, and follow up on Lucas' mail, since
I mostly agree with both of them. Sorry!
On 12/03/13 at
Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes:
On 03/26/2013 09:28 PM, Gergely Nagy wrote:
I see
Zack's DPL helpers initiative as a step in this direction, and I'd like
to take it a little further.
How? Make it formal? Have new official positions? Or just push more
people to help and that's
Mònica Ramírez Arceda mon...@debian.org writes:
I would like to know your opinion about this graph (thanks Francesca!):
http://blog.zouish.org/posts/dw/
Note that I'm not asking for a way to recruit women (there are already
efforts on that). I would like to know if you think that this lack
Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com writes:
Are we strict enough with our existing contributors? When we're trying
to work together as best we can to make the Universal Operating System
happen, what could/should we do with contributors who hinder our work?
I do not believe we're strict enough,
Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes:
One of the key role of the DPL is to delegate.
What are your intention in this regard? Do you think that the current
teams and roles are well filled? Or would you like to change some of the
people currently holding a position? Why (not) changing
Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer perezme...@gmail.com writes:
There are third party vendors (read: propietary) that support the
installation
of their software in Debian, but mostly because selfish reasons: they need to
be present everywhere for their business model to work. A clear
Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org writes:
Folklore goes that performing distribution-wide changes in Debian is
hard and time-consuming, due to a couple of reasons: (1) the time needed
to make a decision that affects the whole archive (this is related to
our flat structure, which has many
Bart Martens ba...@debian.org writes:
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 09:27:58AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
You can use flashplugin-nonfree to download a piece of software that has
a nonfree license, which is then installed on your system; the result is
that you now have a system which has some
Jérémy Bobbio lu...@debian.org writes:
Dear candidates, do you think it would be wise to advertise `testing` as
a usable distribution to our users given that state of affairs? Given
that our security support for stable is already not as best as it could
be, do you think we should encourage
Serafeim Zanikolas s...@debian.org writes:
In the words of Lars [*]:
We're not very good at dealing with situations where a few individuals
are dominating the discussion by being loud, insistent, and unwilling to
budge
or to give any credence to opposing views. I don't know
Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org writes:
On 19/03/13 at 21:43 +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote:
* Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org [2013-03-19 07:44:32 CET]:
But it's also about how we see our project. I would like Debian to be
a very welcoming project, and I hate the fact that it's harder for
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes:
In Debian, we stay member until we die or quit (or very exceptionally, are
expelled). The consequence is that it is hard to evaluate how much active
members we have. It may also create more crispations about giving membership.
We often discussed
Hi!
Mario Lang ml...@delysid.org writes:
I'd like to know your opinion on this. Are people with disabilities
something that we want to support, or is it just luck if they get a
working system. As a Free Software community, should we make sure that
the digital divide is not going to
Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org writes:
Some of the longest -devel thread in recent years have been about
Debian's (default) init system: SysV, SystemD, Upstart, OpenRC, etc.
Despite folklore, I don't think those thread have been (entirely)
trollish, they all hint at a concrete problem:
anarcat anar...@debian.org writes:
You all have an impressive technical curriculum. Your deeds in Debian
speak for themselves. However, the role of a project leader is unusually
non-technical. In fact, you will have to abandon significant technical
tasks to tend to more administrative or
Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org writes:
I'd ask the DPL candidates to speak a bit about how they intend to
represent Debian externally -- both in terms out downstream outreach, as
well as upstream (or even side-stream) relations.
Like I expressed earlier, elsewhere, I believe that
Hello,
Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org writes:
The Debian ecosystem includes many economical actors, be it companies
or individuals, but we tend to hide those aspects as if they didn't
exist.
Well, we have the debian-companies[1] list, we also have a partners
page[2], and the
Gergely Nagy alger...@madhouse-project.org writes:
Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org writes:
Some of the longest -devel thread in recent years have been about
Debian's (default) init system: SysV, SystemD, Upstart, OpenRC, etc.
Despite folklore, I don't think those thread have been
Jonathan Nieder jrnie...@gmail.com writes:
Gergely Nagy wrote:
Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org writes:
Arno Töll a...@debian.org writes:
In fact, even the wiki says Becoming a Debian Developer: You should be
a Debian Maintainer for six months before applying to the Debian New
Member
Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes:
Would becoming DPL increase the chance that you would work on any of
these ideas?
Would not becoming DPL increase the chance that you would work on any of
these ideas?
Well, not becoming DPL means I'd have less time to spend on Debian
things than if
Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org writes:
On 17-03-13 02:02, Gergely Nagy wrote:
Arno Töll a...@debian.org writes:
In fact, even the wiki says Becoming a Debian Developer: You should be
a Debian Maintainer for six months before applying to the Debian New
Member Process [1]. That's somewhat
Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org writes:
Due to time and travel demands, there are blockers in being DPLs. Most
of them are work related. Within that category of blockers, some could
be solved by a salary but many (according to your judgement) could not.
If we agree on this, it means that
Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org writes:
Debian's infrastructure and processes have grown organically over the
years, with all the strengths and weaknesses that it implies. Sometimes
it's a good idea to step back and look whether some of those need
to be amended/replaced/dropped/etc.
MJ Ray m...@phonecoop.coop writes:
How much time do you think voters should spend reading these discussions?
Enough time to make an informed decision - or throw a dice, whichever
they prefer. Noone's required to read all (or any) of -vote@, it is
entirely up to them how much time they want to
Lars Wirzenius l...@liw.fi writes:
Gegerly, Moray, and Lucas:
We're currently in the middle of a freeze for the next release. We've
been in this release since June 30. That's over eight months. That's a
long time, even for a project the size of Debian. Releasing when we're
ready is all well
Hi!
Instead of answering Timo's question directly, I'll answer to Gunnar
instead, in the hopes that I can answer both of them in a satisfactory
manner.
Gunnar Wolf gw...@gwolf.org writes:
Timo Juhani Lindfors dijo [Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 05:34:58PM +0200]:
Hi,
I'd like to have each DPL
Serafeim Zanikolas s...@debian.org writes:
On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 11:21:05AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote [edited]:
But asking students to contribute to Debian during university projects is
quite
difficult (I have thought about it numerous times, but never found a
good-enough idea). it
Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org writes:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013, Moray Allan wrote:
If there was general support then we could look at organising a
funded program, but I would need a lot of persuasion before wanting
to get into the question of Debian picking specific individuals to
pay for
Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org writes:
Since both of you want examples of possible uses of money, here you have
some that I quickly came up with:
1/ Grant some amount of money to the release team to offer as bounties on
release blocker issues that are not going forward.
While such
Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org writes:
On 13/03/13 at 00:57 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
3/ Buy advertising space on various media to recruit new contributors and
lead them into our (improved) mentoring infrastructure.
I think that we have other, better ways, to improve the project's
Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org writes:
What work will you be doing to continue Zach's efforts to negotiate with
the FSF over Debian's status as a Free Software Distribution?
I do not plan to be on the front line, but it is an important effort
that must be continued. If elected, I'll make
Arno Töll a...@debian.org writes:
On 17.03.2013 00:01, Gergely Nagy wrote:
We have close to two hundred entries in the debian-maintainers-keyring,
that's a respectable number, which reaffirms my recentish change of
heart, that the DM status is a good thing, and while it does not solve
all
Hi!
Arno Töll a...@debian.org writes:
Sorry to tell, but you're all compared to zack leaving back some by-now
established patterns as a DPL. So I wonder, will you step back from
maintainer/team activities during your term?
Most likely, yes. While the packages I maintain are fairly quiet and
Gunnar Wolf gw...@gwolf.org writes:
One of the difficulties I perceive we have seen over the years is the
time it takes to transfer the know-how and work rhythm from an
outgoing DPL to an incoming one. Several of our DPLs have repeated
their term. In the past, when I was a new DD, there was
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes:
Moray Allan mo...@sermisy.org writes:
However, the DPL role for a single year is already a big commitment,
taking a lot of energy and time (typically including a lot of the time
that person previously spent in other areas of Debian). Already many
people
Neil McGovern ne...@debian.org writes:
Could you provide a couple of sentences (no more) for the below?
* How do you feel about having won the election?
Sad, ready, happy and humbled. Sad, because only one of us could
win. Happy, because of the trust the voters showed towards me,
humbled for
Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org writes:
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 01:31:08PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
For example, I would question whether one could do the role of DPL with a
conventional full-time job in IT, at least if you want to keep any other
hobbies outside of those two jobs. The
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Martin Zobel-Helas zo...@debian.org writes:
in the past i heared several ideas about a Debian Project Leader board
similar to the SPI board.
So lets imagine the project would have to vote for several members of
this sort of board, with
Martin Zobel-Helas zo...@debian.org writes:
in the past Debian had some generous donors, who donated a huge amounts
of high quality hardware on regual basis to the Debian project. For some
reasons (not to be discussed here) those sources dont exist any more.
One idea - perhaps a naive one, as
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Sune Vuorela nos...@vuorela.dk writes:
So, over the last years I have seen a Debian where it among the people
is much more important to avoid to fail than trying to do awesome
stuff.
While I subscribe to the 'avoid failure whenever you can' school of
thought, I do not wish to hold on to
Martin Zobel-Helas zo...@debian.org writes:
Why do you think you are a good candidate for the next DPL term?
That's a good question, one that I'm not sure I can provide a useful
answer for. Not because I have doubts (I don't), but because why *I*
think I am a good candidate has little
Debian Project Secretary - Kurt Roeckx secret...@debian.org writes:
Please make sure that nominations are sent to (or cc:'d to)
debian-vote, and are cryptographically signed.
*clears throat*
I hereby nominate myself as a prospective DPL.
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Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org writes:
you might have read that Stefano is trying to organize
discussions/collaboration between companies that have a strategic interest
in Debian:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-companies/
Wouter and Gergely, what do you think of this project ? Would you
Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org writes:
there's a discussion going on on debian-project about entering an
agreement with DuckDuckGo to get some sort of affiliate commission from
the money that DuckDuckGo would earn from traffic tagged as coming
from Debian.
1/ To Wouter and Gergely: this
Eugene V. Lyubimkin jac...@debian.org writes:
What is your vision about how many different software pieces can be
supported by Debian as a project for each part of the software stack,
would it be architectures, kernels, init systems, high-level package
managers, desktop environments or
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes:
In contrast with what we require for the software we distribute, we are
forbidding to use some of our logos for profit. While there are some clear
differences between software and carriers of visual identity, I feel that
there
is a strong mismatch
Hi!
Eugene V. Lyubimkin jac...@debian.org writes:
Do you think Debian project has enough manpower to differ (if needed)
with other major derivatives and major non-derivatives in the important
non-Debian-specific software choices?
Probably, yes. But being different just for the sake of it is
Since my thoughts have been pretty much summed up far better than I
could, I'd like to refer to Stefano's answers, as - apart from the
experience bits, as I obviously have no DPL experience - are very much
like my own would have been.
Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org writes:
On Mon, Mar 12,
Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes:
search[ing] for talent and passion is a great goal, but just writing
The key to my goal is communication isn't enough for me. So, how will
you do?
I have a couple of ideas, including - but not limited to:
* As mentioned in a different thread, I'd love
Ansgar Burchardt ans...@43-1.org writes:
while reading algernon's platform I stumbled over the two sentences
More packages, more packagers? A solved problem and Not raw,
packaging manpower - with hundreds of people, we have that covered.
How do you think about the current state of reviewing
Hi!
Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes:
If you see projects like Openstack or oVirt (sorry for the examples
taken from my area of expertise...), they have elections every 6 months
for project leaders in this or that area of the project.
In Debian, we just elect a DPL, and then we hope
Hi!
Gerfried Fuchs rho...@deb.at writes:
it happens every now and then, people assume bad faith in mails from
others and call their action silly and active tries to sabotage, and
there are also people who fight for their right to behave like assholes
and belittle scathingly against people
Raphael Geissert geiss...@debian.org writes:
Reading zack's platform, it makes me wonder why would you (Gergely and
Wouter) actually need to be elected as a DPL to do what you mention on your
platforms.
Because while Zack's regin as DPL for the past two years have been very
successful, and
Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be writes:
As your platfrom indicates, you have disappeared from the Debian
project before. Some DPLs started with alot of energy, but somewhat
faded during their term and then disappeared. Do you think there
is a chance of this happening to you?
No, there is no
Debian Project Secretary - Kurt Roeckx secret...@debian.org writes:
[...]
Please make sure that nominations are sent to (or cc:'d to)
debian-vote, and are cryptographically signed.
Lets make this more interesting than the past election has been!
I hereby nominate myself as a prospective DPL.
to not run.
So, once again, to make it clear: I, Gergely Nagy, in perfect mental
health, express my own wish, which was not forced upon me, but is my
own, that I do not want to participate in the Debian Project Leader
elections in 2005.
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Do you think it's possible for Debian to have a leader anymore?
Yes, definitely.
Recent leaders have all been coordinator type people. And while
that's fine... they've all been nice, intelligent, thoughtful people
who are of course very dedicated to the project... none of them seems
to
(Being a fun candidate has the advantage of being able to ignore any
said and unsaid rules or agreements and whatnot, so I can answer every
mail I want to ;)
I have seen lots of discussions about CDD and splitting up Debian
into a core and more-or-less independent topic specific sections
Do you think it's possible for Debian to have a leader anymore?
Yes, definitely.
Recent leaders have all been coordinator type people. And while
that's fine... they've all been nice, intelligent, thoughtful people
who are of course very dedicated to the project... none of them seems
to
(Being a fun candidate has the advantage of being able to ignore any
said and unsaid rules or agreements and whatnot, so I can answer every
mail I want to ;)
I have seen lots of discussions about CDD and splitting up Debian
into a core and more-or-less independent topic specific sections
How about you keep it to summaries of mailing list threads and IRC
conversations or similar? Ideally something self-centered, too, as a
summary of another candidate's position will likely result in the other
candidate feeling that they've been (deliberately?) misrepresented,
which would just
How about you keep it to summaries of mailing list threads and IRC
conversations or similar? Ideally something self-centered, too, as a
summary of another candidate's position will likely result in the other
candidate feeling that they've been (deliberately?) misrepresented,
which would just
Hi!
I resist to allow my tamagotchi to dress in Branden and Martin skins,
and answer their questions too... I donot know how longer I can keep him
from doing that, though...
I have a tamagotchi too! He's called Foo (I have a limited imagination) Why is
your tamagotchi more suited to running
Hi!
I resist to allow my tamagotchi to dress in Branden and Martin skins,
and answer their questions too... I donot know how longer I can keep him
from doing that, though...
I have a tamagotchi too! He's called Foo (I have a limited imagination) Why
is
your tamagotchi more suited to running
A. What do you think is the greatest challenge facing Debian in the
coming year? What would you do as Project Leader to try and meet this
challenge?
We have quite a few challenges coming ahead. There is this SCO case: we
shouldn't laugh too hard at them, because that makes us look bad.
Which of the groups/people on [1] do you consider delegates? Why or why not?
Would you change this?
None of them, because none includes my tama, who is an aspiring
conqueror, a wanna-be ruler of the world (who wants to start with Debian
for some strange reason... maybe because Debian is the
dream and sitting on you while you sleep. From the
`Nightmare on Elm Street', we know this can be quite painful, if one
can't fully control his dreams.
I'd better be careful before underestimating the power of Yamm!
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As a female hacker/geek/DD I find myself more and more concerned about
the gender ratio in the Debian Developer/User comunity. How can we say
make a Universal OS when it's do scarcely related to half the
population of the world... I think we all agree we want to see more
women
A. What do you think is the greatest challenge facing Debian in the
coming year? What would you do as Project Leader to try and meet this
challenge?
We have quite a few challenges coming ahead. There is this SCO case: we
shouldn't laugh too hard at them, because that makes us look bad.
) what kind of tama Gergely Nagy has in mind :-)
Ooooh! There's another idea! We can feed Gone with the Wind (iirc that
was the title), th script of Titanic and other stuff to a megahal, put a
tama frontend on it, dress it up as a girl, then feed it our
constitution, policy and -devel without
dream and sitting on you while you sleep. From the
`Nightmare on Elm Street', we know this can be quite painful, if one
can't fully control his dreams.
I'd better be careful before underestimating the power of Yamm!
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As a female hacker/geek/DD I find myself more and more concerned about
the gender ratio in the Debian Developer/User comunity. How can we say
make a Universal OS when it's do scarcely related to half the
population of the world... I think we all agree we want to see more
women
Foreword: Do NOT take my answers seriously. I'm trying to make people
laugh.
Here are my questions:
1. My concern is to propagate Custom Debian Distributions because
I think we should set a stronger focus to the end user. I see
Debian as a missing link between upstream
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