g like
"Also fix" it should have been two separate commits. That's how I
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* Timo Weingärtner [2021-03-26 09:12]:
> The Debian Project will issue a public statement on whether Richard Stallman
^^
I think you forgot the word "not" here.
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ne SPI PayPal account for Debian and one
SPI PayPal account for all other SPI projects. This kind of special
casing for Debian is something SPI would like to resolve in some way;
there are no plans of removing PayPal.
(I don't speak for SPI, etc)
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nd basically put
them on ice.
I thought this got resolved though in the meantime (years ago).
https://blogs.gnome.org/jnelson/2014/06/30/the-new-501c3-and-the-future-of-free-software-in-the-united-states/
https://opensource.org/node/840
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necessarily the Debian project, but the wider Debian ecosystem)
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ionale of creating a Debian
foundation, although my concerns about the actual operations still
apply (i.e. how are you going to make sure you'll do a better job than
the TOs you're not happy with when there have been countless failures
of running non-profits in the past).
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* Gunnar Wolf [2020-03-17 11:04]:
> We already have <10 mails in the list... Please wait for the Project
> Secretary to announce the page for the elections, with the platforms
> and all.
All platforms are available and it has been announced.
https://www.debian.org/vote/2020/vote_001
r than many what kind of work is involved.
* I am not on the SPI board and I do not speak for SPI.
* I am part of the Debian treasurer team, but I don't speak for them.
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ose an amendment that basically says
"portability at (almost) any cost".
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ong lines.
Could you put the short title on the ballot while keeping the long
option on the web site?
If not, I suppose the short title is fine. As Sam points out, it's
less import since C has been withdrawn.
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in terms of why to focus on systemd (like to
> collaborate with the 99% of the FLOSS world who settled on systemd) than
> C.
Yeah, as I just explained in my other email, I found C lacking of
sway, vision, passion, or whatever you may call it.
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proposal but after talking to some
people developed a better understanding of what I was missing in the
current proposals and got good ideas on how to frame things (the
cross-distro aspect wasn't my idea).
I hope that explains it.
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coordinate transitions from Debian-specific solutions where appropriate.
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drafting this proposal.
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> Ian> I think this is a subjunctive.
>
> I agree with Ian.
Thanks for the clarification! You learn something new every day.
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I can make any changes related to typos.
Ok, I'm not familiar with procedures but seems strange not to fix
obvious typos. It's not like I'm proposing editorial changes *cough* :P
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"It is important that the project support the efforts"
s/support/supports/?
(I know British and American English don't agree whether an
organization is singular or plural but it seems to me that
"the project" is singular.)
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"which is not the what the user wanted"
"not the what": s/the//
The proposal also contains Markdown syntax (**, ``) which imho should
be converted to HTML on the web site.
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ing castles, etc.
3) I'll reserve my third card for later :P
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derivatives are important for Debian, Debian itself should be
attractive for many as an OS and not just as building blocks for
other solutions.
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distributions), have to ask and find answers for.
As DPL, I would facilitate discussion about Debian's role in today's
world and empower people like you to lead such discussions and to ask
how we can successfully adapt.
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Debian has chosen salsa and that packaging should be done there. We
can also investigate mechanism to make salsa more attractive, e.g.
automatic CI of packaging.
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I definitely think it's import to explore ideas in this area.
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> release will be a botnet calculating the question)?
Thanks for the kind question. There hasn't been anything yet I wanted
to mention that didn't come up. However, I liked what I wrote about
cost vs benefit in a previous mail on debian-vote and wish I had put
that in the platform.
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hybrid proprietary + FOSS model is seen as quite normal rather than a
joke.
As DPL, I promise to stay away from the computer on April 1. ;)
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(e.g.
12 months +/-4 months) but *personally* I don't see why DebConf has to
be in July/August.
Is this something that has been discussed before? In any case, the
DebConf team is the right team to make this decision (but of course if
timing is a major issue for some people the DPL can be involved in a
dialogue about this topic).
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ing to
support these activities.
For example, approaching a company to ask for funding because we want
to send more developers from other regions to events or because we
want to purchase more servers to do X is much easier than because we
want to increase our bank balance from X to Y.
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how to improve the situation, but this is definitely an area I'm
interested in and I'm open for ideas.
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to port
this to Windows and macOS to get developer adoption and make it easier
to switch to Debian proper (similar to how GCC used to be used on
proprietary Unixes before GNU/Linux was usable).
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* Kurt Roeckx [2019-03-29 23:39]:
> I've updated the vote pages to remove you as candidate.
I'm not sure if removing Simon from the vote page entirely is best
from a historical records point of view. Maybe striking him out with
a link to the withdraw email might be better.
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s along a
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It would be interesting to hear what previous DPLs have done that
worked for the various teams and what made them feel less motivated
(without going into details on who the DPL was).
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e I think there are
parallels in terms of what needs to change. That's what I was
referring to in my rebuttal.
> It's also clear there's a different approach to money and resources
> in the two platforms.
Yes.
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* Martin Michlmayr [2019-03-26 19:30]:
> I see several problems that the current situation has:
>
> * Conflict of interest
> * Fairness and privilege
I had a third point that I forgot to include.
* Burnout: despite being a volunteer position, we have these
completely mad
> Anyway, a good counter example is the LTS effort. While not Debian,
> it's as close as Debian as you can get (and there are good arguments
> that it's something Debian ought to do directly).
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controversial even though we're not sure it's *still* controversial.
By repeating this myth, we're keeping it alive. The world has
changed. Debian has to finds ways to adapt.
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ld (see my platform).
Are there behind the scene politics in FOSS? Absolutely.
I hope I've covered all uses of the word "politics". ;-)
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f which are important but many of which
> have significantly more logic in them compared to upstream.
Now I understand your question better. I agree with you, but
unfortunately I think this is a key area where Debian used to be
respected for its solutions whereas now we're just lagg
t of suggestions that might
> be helpful or not. A policy is something we agreed upon and strive to
> accomplish by using tools like lintian whether something is compliant or
> not. We could also file bug reports if something is in conflict with
> that policy.
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Executive Director, that may require changes in our documents (which
was the original questions).
(I could write more but I think this isn't the right place or time.)
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* Andreas Tille [2019-03-20 17:18]:
> On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> > At the very least, we should find out why people don't use standard
> > tooling like debhelper, improve these tools and nudge people towards
> > them.
>
> How would you approach this
t to address questions like the above?
IIRC this was discussed before and the TC didn't want to take on that
role.
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network, etc. But you write "technical deliverables" and I'm not sure
what you mean.
As with several other questions, I find myself wanting to ask: "what
do *you* think?"
I think whoever becomes DPL should go back and read these -vote
threads to gather ideas and questions.
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ave to ask: is it worth it?
The release team, DSA and ftp masters already have the authority to
say "no". Maybe we need to support them more when they say "no".
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world outside
> Debian, and that are "threats" for Debian?
Mobile computing where Debian has little to offer
A changing business environment to which Debian is not adapting
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maintainers to maintain their packages on salsa.d.o as a
> recommended development platform.
We should definitely recommend it. The question is whether we should
go further than that.
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less so because it depends on what
people are going to work on (this is similar to Linus Torvalds saying
he has no plan for Linux -- whatever features get added that people
contribute).
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that time.
Hector was going to put something together more recently but I haven't
seen it.
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| components of our operating system, and
| c) such firmware can and should be part of our official installation media.
Looking for seconds now.
Seconded.
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, the one that
actually works. I've been doing that for NSLU2 and there it's not
such a big deal because everyone uses netboot images, but it's more of
a problem with CDs/DVDs.
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members etc) is straightforward.
Actually, it's not straightforward, simply because deciding who's
allowed to do what is not straightforward.
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argument that a year isn't enough to get things done. And there's
always the chance of getting re-elected if someone did a good job.
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Note that you're still free to step down after one year, so that's
hardly a problem
I don't think anyone would do that. It takes quite a bit to convince
yourself to step down and then actually go through with it.
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Actually, in a recent chatting one of the past DPLs told me that he
tried at some point, but the feedback he got was roughly who cares?.
Since we talked recently, I'm
the answers to them,
not just the candidates.
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really interesting and I encourage everyone to think about them, but
if people wanted specific answers from the candidates they should have
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and whitelist some more env vars like DISPLAY or XAUTHORITY. We haven't
heard from him yet.
Let's CC him. Bdale, what's the status of this?
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so I added Marc and Brian, trained them, and eventually resigned.
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other things as well anyway. Henrique de Moraes Holschuh developed
special templates for them, though.
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security in the long run. http://www.debian.org/security/audit/
(Mail-Followup-To: debian-project since this is imho more appropriate.
maybe even -security but I hope -project will get more people involved
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Especially if that leader's most valuable trait is coordination: the
initiatives are executed by others, while the leader's role is simply
.
I'm also not entirely happy that bugs are closed even if the fix is
not in stable or testing yet. Fortunately, Colin Watson has been
working on version tracking which will allow the BTS to show in which
version a bug has been fixed. He told me the system will go live RSN.
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Especially if that leader's most valuable trait is coordination: the
initiatives are executed by others, while the leader's role is simply
. My
disagreement was only about re-admission to the project where I think they
should not be treated the same, not about thanking them for the work they've
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proposed it already. Perhaps some rotating scheme of who is part of
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be different -- even if the only
difference is more active members -- you should propose that to the
committee.
Exactly. I'll do that once I've had enough time to think about the
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be different -- even if the only
difference is more active members -- you should propose that to the
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