Re: I am the 50,000,000 visitor to this site! What have I won?

2004-03-27 Thread Richard Braakman
keep getting people here who ask for their prize, but they never reply when we ask them for details. Richard Braakman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: I am the 50,000,000 visitor to this site! What have I won?

2004-03-27 Thread Richard Braakman
keep getting people here who ask for their prize, but they never reply when we ask them for details. Richard Braakman

Re: GRs, irrelevant amendments, and insincere voting

2003-11-05 Thread Richard Braakman
was meant to cover everything on the CD's. There is no expansion going on. I think a shift from software to works is an expansion. In any case, we sometimes distribute CDs and brochures at conventions, and those are clearly not software. Richard Braakman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: RFD: amendment of Debian Social Contract

2003-11-05 Thread Richard Braakman
statement about removing KDE was finalized? I have no idea how else you could know these details. Unless James has been talking. Richard Braakman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: RFD: amendment of Debian Social Contract

2003-11-05 Thread Richard Braakman
statement about removing KDE was finalized? I have no idea how else you could know these details. Unless James has been talking. Richard Braakman

Re: GRs, irrelevant amendments, and insincere voting

2003-10-31 Thread Richard Braakman
- Editorial-only amendment (3:1) N - Don't amend D - Default option Can you show a real preference that is best achieved by voting insincerely? Richard Braakman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: RFD: amendment of Debian Social Contract

2003-10-30 Thread Richard Braakman
this use.) Richard Braakman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: RFD: amendment of Debian Social Contract

2003-10-30 Thread Richard Braakman
probably lose the as freely and just have it say we will license them in a manner... and it would make sense. Hmm. Branden already amended his proposal to drop the as (and I followed suit). You'll have to propose dropping the freely separately :) Richard Braakman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: RFD: amendment of Debian Social Contract

2003-10-30 Thread Richard Braakman
nobody wants. Richard Braakman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: li, del and the HTML 4 DTD (was: Re: RFD: amendment of Debian Social Contract)

2003-10-30 Thread Richard Braakman
are handled by inclusion on BODY -- This inclusion is an SGML concept that disappeared from XML, so it is little-known. Richard Braakman, claiming extra pedant points today. [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/sgml/dtd.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

Re: RFD: amendment of Debian Social Contract

2003-10-30 Thread Richard Braakman
this use.) Richard Braakman

Re: RFD: amendment of Debian Social Contract

2003-10-30 Thread Richard Braakman
nobody wants. Richard Braakman

Re: li, del and the HTML 4 DTD (was: Re: RFD: amendment of Debian Social Contract)

2003-10-30 Thread Richard Braakman
are handled by inclusion on BODY -- This inclusion is an SGML concept that disappeared from XML, so it is little-known. Richard Braakman, claiming extra pedant points today. [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/sgml/dtd.html

Re: RFD: amendment of Debian Social Contract

2003-10-29 Thread Richard Braakman
chunks than wdiff chose. I have also added stylesheet directives to color the insertions and deletions differently. Richard Braakman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-14 Thread Richard Braakman
. Those who are horrified by all three of the (operational) ballot options are free to rank further discussion as their first choice. No, I'll vote B A F C. Proposal A's list is redundant but unambiguous. Richard Braakman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-14 Thread Richard Braakman
. Those who are horrified by all three of the (operational) ballot options are free to rank further discussion as their first choice. No, I'll vote B A F C. Proposal A's list is redundant but unambiguous. Richard Braakman

Re: Updated proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment (clarification of section 4.1.5)

2003-10-13 Thread Richard Braakman
?) This inclusion isn't accidental; point 1 specifically says As there are many definitions of free software, we include the guidelines we use to determine if software is free below. Richard Braakman

Re: [AMENDMENT BR3] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-26 Thread Richard Braakman
the DFSG. So in a way I agree with this amendment, but for completely different reasons. Richard Braakman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [AMENDMENT BR1] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-20 Thread Richard Braakman
. Since the original wording appeared to be amenable to two wildly different interpretations, this change adds clarifying the language in the constitution about _changing_ non technical documents. == Seconded. Richard

Re: prize dept

2003-09-16 Thread Richard Braakman
On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 11:27:24PM -0400, Christine Stockdale wrote: So, where's the prize? Does anyone know what's going on? This is the third on this list. Is someone running a scam with our name on it? Is it fallout from a new worm? Richard Braakman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: prize dept

2003-09-16 Thread Richard Braakman
On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 11:27:24PM -0400, Christine Stockdale wrote: So, where's the prize? Does anyone know what's going on? This is the third on this list. Is someone running a scam with our name on it? Is it fallout from a new worm? Richard Braakman

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-08-22 Thread Richard Braakman
it: In the Robinson amendment's changes to (5), replace modify with supersede. I propose to use a word that won't be misspelled all over the place :) Even in this thread I've seen three counts of supercede. I'd hate to add that to by daily dose of annoyances. How about just replace? Richard Braakman

Re: Branden's cryptic advice

2003-03-09 Thread Richard Braakman
referred to Frankish citizenship, and the rights and benefits thereof. Richard Braakman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Vote of a former candidate

2003-03-09 Thread Richard Braakman
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 10:49:06PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Again, no need to be DPL to request news from delegates. You might, however, need to be DPL to get an answer. Richard Braakman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL

Re: Branden's cryptic advice

2003-03-09 Thread Richard Braakman
referred to Frankish citizenship, and the rights and benefits thereof. Richard Braakman

Re: Vote of a former candidate

2003-03-09 Thread Richard Braakman
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 10:49:06PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Again, no need to be DPL to request news from delegates. You might, however, need to be DPL to get an answer. Richard Braakman

Branden's cryptic advice

2003-03-08 Thread Richard Braakman
the French monarchy. In other words, the Fiend was telling us to be more French. It's a strange world. -- Richard Braakman to troll, v.: to explore, in an electronic forum, the subtle distinction between being an idiot and pretending to be an idiot. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Branden's cryptic advice

2003-03-08 Thread Richard Braakman
the French monarchy. In other words, the Fiend was telling us to be more French. It's a strange world. -- Richard Braakman to troll, v.: to explore, in an electronic forum, the subtle distinction between being an idiot and pretending to be an idiot.

Re: QUESTIONNAIRE: Debian Project Leadership

2003-02-03 Thread Richard Braakman
experience in the legal field, before I start listening to most of those people. I have an almost opposite opinion: if a license cannot be understood without paid legal advice, then it is not Free. There's no point in software licenses that cannot be understood and applied by programmers. Richard

Re: QUESTIONNAIRE: Debian Project Leadership

2003-02-03 Thread Richard Braakman
experience in the legal field, before I start listening to most of those people. I have an almost opposite opinion: if a license cannot be understood without paid legal advice, then it is not Free. There's no point in software licenses that cannot be understood and applied by programmers. Richard

Re: current A.6 draft

2002-11-25 Thread Richard Braakman
with cases where a ballot is overtaken by current events. Richard Braakman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: current A.6 draft

2002-11-25 Thread Richard Braakman
with cases where a ballot is overtaken by current events. Richard Braakman

Re: supermajority options

2002-11-24 Thread Richard Braakman
margin. Richard Braakman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: supermajority options

2002-11-24 Thread Richard Braakman
margin. Richard Braakman

Re: RFD: informal proposal

2002-11-18 Thread Richard Braakman
they are compared to that special option. Richard Braakman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: RFD: informal proposal

2002-11-18 Thread Richard Braakman
of unhappiness because there are 90 preferences of A over D? D is just further discussion, while B sounds much more like a definite No, don't remove non-free vote to me. I don't see how you infer supermajority support for A, from a supermajority support for A or B. Richard Braakman

Re: RFD: informal proposal

2002-11-18 Thread Richard Braakman
they are compared to that special option. Richard Braakman

Re: Request for comments [voting amendment]

2002-11-17 Thread Richard Braakman
of the candidates, I think it would be better to leave the office vacant for nine more weeks than to go to great lengths to select a winner who might do more harm than good. Historically, we have had great success with vacant Project Leaders anyway :) Richard Braakman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: Request for comments [voting amendment]

2002-11-17 Thread Richard Braakman
. In summary, I think that leaving the office vacant is in fact a reasonable default option, and it is the safest option if None Of The Above is part of a circular tie. Richard Braakman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: RFD: informal proposal

2002-11-17 Thread Richard Braakman
of unhappiness because there are 90 preferences of A over D? D is just further discussion, while B sounds much more like a definite No, don't remove non-free vote to me. I don't see how you infer supermajority support for A, from a supermajority support for A or B. Richard Braakman

Re: Request for comments [voting amendment]

2002-11-17 Thread Richard Braakman
of the candidates, I think it would be better to leave the office vacant for nine more weeks than to go to great lengths to select a winner who might do more harm than good. Historically, we have had great success with vacant Project Leaders anyway :) Richard Braakman

Re: Geez.

2002-11-17 Thread Richard Braakman
along in life... :-) Debian developers aren't used to having to rank preferences. Since it's all free software, they can just install everything they like. Richard Braakman

Re: Request for comments [voting amendment]

2002-11-17 Thread Richard Braakman
. In summary, I think that leaving the office vacant is in fact a reasonable default option, and it is the safest option if None Of The Above is part of a circular tie. Richard Braakman

Re: Vote verification --- a futile exercise?

2002-04-05 Thread Richard Braakman
such a vile thing.] Indeed. We're geeks, and the election is a new toy that we're taking apart to see how it works :-) Richard Braakman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Vote verification --- a futile exercise?

2002-04-05 Thread Richard Braakman
such a vile thing.] Indeed. We're geeks, and the election is a new toy that we're taking apart to see how it works :-) Richard Braakman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Vote verification --- a futile exercise?

2002-04-04 Thread Richard Braakman
they are or what the votes contain, so this is a suboptimal way of affecting the election results :) In addition, the voters involved can raise a stink _before_ the votes are counted, because they can refuse to send in their private keys until the matter is investigated. Richard Braakman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: Vote verification --- a futile exercise?

2002-04-04 Thread Richard Braakman
they are or what the votes contain, so this is a suboptimal way of affecting the election results :) In addition, the voters involved can raise a stink _before_ the votes are counted, because they can refuse to send in their private keys until the matter is investigated. Richard Braakman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: Secret votes HOWTO

2001-04-04 Thread Richard Braakman
.) Richard Braakman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Secret votes HOWTO

2001-04-04 Thread Richard Braakman
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 01:27:08PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Any other technical reasons? You seem to have eliminated all the reasons for having a secret vote in the first place. Shall we not bother, then? Open votes are certainly easier to run. Richard Braakman

Re: Secret votes HOWTO

2001-04-04 Thread Richard Braakman
.) Richard Braakman

Re: Secret votes HOWTO

2001-04-04 Thread Richard Braakman
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 01:27:08PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Any other technical reasons? You seem to have eliminated all the reasons for having a secret vote in the first place. Shall we not bother, then? Open votes are certainly easier to run. Richard Braakman

Re: Secret votes HOWTO

2001-04-01 Thread Richard Braakman
two days -- either finding the developer name for one vote, or finding one developer's vote from among all the votes. Richard Braakman

Re: [BALLOT] Leader Election 2001

2001-03-09 Thread Richard Braakman
PROTECTED] and it was accepted. The NOTE must have been mistaken. Richard Braakman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Some questions for the DPL candidates

2001-03-09 Thread Richard Braakman
On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 08:51:06PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 09:04:02AM +0100, Richard Braakman wrote: On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 06:19:18PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 12:43:52PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: Assume you had the same

Re: Some questions for the DPL candidates

2001-03-09 Thread Richard Braakman
, he asked how you would answer if you had the particular intention he described. Not how you would answer in a host of other cases. Richard Braakman

Re: [BALLOT] Leader Election 2001

2001-03-09 Thread Richard Braakman
PROTECTED] and it was accepted. The NOTE must have been mistaken. Richard Braakman

Re: Some questions for the DPL candidates

2001-03-09 Thread Richard Braakman
On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 08:51:06PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 09:04:02AM +0100, Richard Braakman wrote: On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 06:19:18PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 12:43:52PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: Assume you had the same

Re: Some questions for the DPL candidates

2001-03-08 Thread Richard Braakman
ng Anthony's question? It looked pretty clear to me, he asked how you would answer if you had the particular intention he described. Not how you would answer in a host of other cases. Richard Braakman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: ballot bounced

2001-03-08 Thread Richard Braakman
to keep you young ones out of the loop. I can just see Jason cackling with glee while implementing it this way. I mean, it couldn't possibly be a simple error in a system that is only exercised once a year. Get a life. Richard Braakman

Re: ballot bounced

2001-03-08 Thread Richard Braakman
could vote, and he was nice enough to do that without flaming me back. At this point we agree that his wording could have been better, and I'll take the incident as a sign that I should be less trigger happy. My new rule: ask first, you can always shoot them later. Richard Braakman

Re: [Notice] Social Contract Change Vote

2000-10-12 Thread Richard Braakman
of people who have difficulty accessing HTTP while reading mail. For example the machine with my PGP key is not connected to the net except by floppy :) Richard Braakman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Notice] Social Contract Change Vote

2000-10-12 Thread Richard Braakman
who have difficulty accessing HTTP while reading mail. For example the machine with my PGP key is not connected to the net except by floppy :) Richard Braakman

Re: [BALLOT] Leader Election 2000

2000-02-24 Thread Richard Braakman
leave choices you consider 8? There are 5 choices :) Who are the hidden 3 candidates? Richard Braakman

Re: Negative Summary of the Split Proposal

1999-07-01 Thread Richard Braakman
and some mirror masters may not ^^^ should be involved. agree with our discision. ^ should be decision. You may want to mention here whether the mirror coordinator will want to do this work :-) Richard Braakman