Re: Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems

2014-03-03 Thread Zenaan Harkness
Once again, you rant multiple lists whilst hiding who you are. I am Zenaan Harkness. I have some (not all) strongly held views. As an aside, I shall use systemd and have tried a few times now, but have a technical issue or two with my setup when using systemd, which I need to find time to solve

Re: Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems - SysV is FINE. Systemd won, sysV/OpenRC/etc fans must leave

2014-03-03 Thread Zenaan Harkness
This is called projection. The poster evidently has a very hard case of it. The world is so mean. I didn't get what I want. So I'm going to keep crying publicly and say a bunch of untrue and severe exaggeratons. Oh well, hopefully time will heal... Zenaan On 3/4/14, Arnold Bird

Re: was Four people troll - now meandering off elsewhere - Systemd or the highway.

2014-03-03 Thread Zenaan Harkness
By emailing each of the above email mailing lists, it's not hard to guess who you are. It is sad. It is in your interests (for sanity, to stop your tsunami of loss of respect, etc) to simply stop. Take a holiday. Come back in a time (weeks, months) that provides for you to return to

Re: Analysis of the ballot options

2004-06-22 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 09:41, Arthur de Jong wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The technical committee is waiting to see the outcome of this GR, but informally http://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2004/06/msg2.html If the RM has delegated the descision of the

Re: General Resolution: Handling of the non-free section: proposedBallot

2004-03-08 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 00:21, MJ Ray wrote: Remember that debian-legal is a mailing list of many developers and other contributors, not a single person. Well, actually, sometimes if you skip the posts of a single person (which can at times be more than every second new post), it does appear

Re: General Resolution: Handling of the non-free section: proposedBallot

2004-03-08 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 01:00, MJ Ray wrote: On 2004-03-08 13:27:55 + Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And seriously, but does a we should stay polite to RMS strike you as a serious argument you can bring to upstream when discussing this issue. There was a lot more detail beyond

Re: First Call for votes: General resolution for the handling of the non-free section

2004-03-08 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 00:55, Michael Banck wrote: On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 02:33:31PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: Also, i would like to know if you (or any other we you are refering to here) are in any way related to an exterior to debian organisation or company or whatever, which may have a

Re: General Resolution: Handling of the non-free section: proposedBallot

2004-03-08 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 01:00, MJ Ray wrote: On 2004-03-08 13:27:55 + Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And seriously, but does a we should stay polite to RMS strike you as a serious argument you can bring to upstream when discussing this issue. There was a lot more detail beyond

Re: keep non-free proposal

2004-03-04 Thread Zenaan Harkness
Sven, thou hast all but redeemed thyself with this post... :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: General Resolution: Handling of the non-free section: proposedBallot

2004-03-04 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 22:46, Andreas Barth wrote: * Simon Law ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040304 12:40]: On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 10:22:00AM +0100, Massimo Coletti wrote: Removing the non-free section will narrow the perspective of the Linux world offered by Debian, and somehow limit a degree of

Re: keep non-free proposal

2004-03-04 Thread Zenaan Harkness
Sven, thou hast all but redeemed thyself with this post... :)

Re: General Resolution: Handling of the non-free section: proposedBallot

2004-03-04 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 22:46, Andreas Barth wrote: * Simon Law ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040304 12:40]: On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 10:22:00AM +0100, Massimo Coletti wrote: Removing the non-free section will narrow the perspective of the Linux world offered by Debian, and somehow limit a degree of

Re: Questions to candidates

2004-03-02 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 04:12, Martin Michlmayr wrote: * Andreas Tille [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-03-02 15:20]: 3. Do you think Debian should continue to support non-free? No. Debian is about creating a operating system with free software, and I don't think we should be in the business of

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-02 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 11:12, Amaya wrote: As a female hacker/geek/DD I find myself more and more concerned about the gender ratio in the Debian Developer/User comunity. How can we say make a Universal OS when it's do scarcely related to half the population of the world... I think we all agree

Re: Questions to candidates

2004-03-02 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 04:12, Martin Michlmayr wrote: * Andreas Tille [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-03-02 15:20]: 3. Do you think Debian should continue to support non-free? No. Debian is about creating a operating system with free software, and I don't think we should be in the business of

Re: keep non-free proposal

2004-02-28 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Sun, 2004-02-29 at 06:44, Raul Miller wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 01:41:25PM -0300, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote: That may be what we're promising now, but what I would like to see the social contract state is that we are not going to distribute or promote non-free software or software

Re: keep non-free proposal

2004-02-28 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Sun, 2004-02-29 at 06:44, Raul Miller wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 01:41:25PM -0300, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote: That may be what we're promising now, but what I would like to see the social contract state is that we are not going to distribute or promote non-free software or software

Re: Proposal: Keep non-free

2004-02-25 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Wed, 2004-02-25 at 22:33, MJ Ray wrote: On 2004-02-24 17:11:09 + Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think it makes it even more important that we are clear and unambiguous in the message: non-free is not part of the Debian operating system. But forgetting what we told in section

DFSG-free Project (was Re: Proposal: Keep non-free)

2004-02-25 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Wed, 2004-02-25 at 22:11, MJ Ray wrote: However, if any software had that as a condition of distribution, that software could only be distributed in non-free. As you have pointed out before, the project and the distribution are different. I think the project is already not DFSG-like

Re: Proposal: Keep non-free

2004-02-25 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Wed, 2004-02-25 at 22:33, MJ Ray wrote: On 2004-02-24 17:11:09 + Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think it makes it even more important that we are clear and unambiguous in the message: non-free is not part of the Debian operating system. But forgetting what we told in section

Re: A transition plan to fsf-linux.org

2004-01-30 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Fri, 2004-01-30 at 21:01, Michael Banck wrote: On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 12:15:07AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: Making software more useful and more available is the goal. I think non-free aids in that. Well, I respect your personal opinion, but I tend to have another one. This is the

Re: A transition plan to fsf-linux.org

2004-01-30 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Fri, 2004-01-30 at 21:01, Michael Banck wrote: On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 12:15:07AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: Making software more useful and more available is the goal. I think non-free aids in that. Well, I respect your personal opinion, but I tend to have another one. This is the

Re: keep non-free proposal

2004-01-26 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Tue, 2004-01-27 at 16:28, Raul Miller wrote: Old: 1. Debian Will Remain 100% Free Software If we ignore the rest of the social contract, there's two distinct interpretations of this phrase. [A] Software which Debian distributes which is completely free will remain completely free.

Re: keep non-free proposal

2004-01-26 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Tue, 2004-01-27 at 16:51, Raul Miller wrote: [B] Debian only distributes free software and will continue distributing only free software. On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 04:43:19PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: You are missing my interpretation: [C] Debian is constituted by 100% Free

Re: keep non-free proposal

2004-01-26 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Tue, 2004-01-27 at 16:28, Raul Miller wrote: Old: 1. Debian Will Remain 100% Free Software If we ignore the rest of the social contract, there's two distinct interpretations of this phrase. [A] Software which Debian distributes which is completely free will remain completely free.