Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-11 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 03:20:31PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: [Sven Luther] So, you are wrong, this is not about me, it is about debian, about its fundamental unability to handle social conflicts, about some DDs who sadly have achieved a situation of power, knowing no other way to

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-11 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070511 07:47]: Sometimes, a problem needs to magnified to the extreme, so that people finally feel embarassed that they where unable to solve it years ago. If you magnify the wrong part, you might magnify a little problem that would be no problem at all without

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-11 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 10:29:24AM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote: * Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070511 07:47]: Sometimes, a problem needs to magnified to the extreme, so that people finally feel embarassed that they where unable to solve it years ago. If you magnify the wrong part, you

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-11 Thread Martin Wuertele
Hi Sven! * Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-05-11 10:38]: Possibly, but can you point out the little problem here ? I guess we have two problems : - the original problem between frans and me. - the 'email flood' problem. Currently I only see one problem: you. Martin, annoyed by

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-11 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:41:56AM +0200, Martin Wuertele wrote: Hi Sven! * Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-05-11 10:38]: Possibly, but can you point out the little problem here ? I guess we have two problems : - the original problem between frans and me. - the 'email

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-11 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:50:28AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:41:56AM +0200, Martin Wuertele wrote: Martin, annoyed by you turning every thread on every debian list into a svenl-was-treated-so-bad-one Oh, so i suppose from the above that debian has had only a

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-11 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 08:00:56PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:50:28AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:41:56AM +0200, Martin Wuertele wrote: Martin, annoyed by you turning every thread on every debian list into a

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-10 Thread Joey Schulze
Sven Luther wrote: The DAMs, who did not follow their own procedure, who did refuse to provide the dates of the expulsion requests, because they knew well enough that it would show the irregularities of the procedure, who ignored the 70:7 expressed opinion of the DDs against the expulsion. The

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-10 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Sven Luther] So, you too, believe that what was done to me was acceptable, that everything is justifiable Stop it, Sven, stop it. This thread is about Sam Hocevar and GNAA. It is not about Sven Luther. We have had lots of other threads about Sven Luther. Can you please let us have just

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-10 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 06:32:41PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 11:45:03PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 08:21:15AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: Well, i got suspended for a year, because i dared present myself as DPL, No, that's simply not true.

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 06:15:37PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 06:32:41PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 11:45:03PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 08:21:15AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: Well, i got suspended for a year,

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 03:01:40AM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: [Sven Luther] So, you too, believe that what was done to me was acceptable, that everything is justifiable Stop it, Sven, stop it. This thread is about Sam Hocevar and GNAA. It is not about Sven Luther. We have had lots

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-10 Thread MJ Ray
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The DAMs, who did not follow their own procedure [...] I contacted Sven Luther directly with an offer to start a GR to rescind the decision and optionally do some other stuff. I've seen no reply. The offer stands and now the problem resurfaces, I will do

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 03:47:55PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The DAMs, who did not follow their own procedure [...] I contacted Sven Luther directly with an offer to start a GR to rescind the decision and optionally do some other stuff. I've seen no reply.

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-10 Thread Bart Martens
On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 03:01 -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: [Sven Luther] So, you too, believe that what was done to me was acceptable, that everything is justifiable Stop it, Sven, stop it. This thread is about Sam Hocevar and GNAA. It is not about Sven Luther. We have had lots of other

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-10 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 03:47:55PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The DAMs, who did not follow their own procedure [...] I contacted Sven Luther directly with an offer to start a GR to rescind the decision and optionally do some other stuff. I've seen no reply.

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-10 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 15:47 +0100, MJ Ray wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The DAMs, who did not follow their own procedure [...] I contacted Sven Luther directly with an offer to start a GR to rescind the decision and optionally do some other stuff. I've seen no reply. The

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-10 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Sven Luther] So, you are wrong, this is not about me, it is about debian, about its fundamental unability to handle social conflicts, about some DDs who sadly have achieved a situation of power, knowing no other way to handle critics without hurting the other side as much as they can. If

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 12:05:04PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 03:47:55PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The DAMs, who did not follow their own procedure [...] I contacted Sven Luther directly with an offer to start a GR to rescind

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 01:06:09PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 15:47 +0100, MJ Ray wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The DAMs, who did not follow their own procedure [...] I contacted Sven Luther directly with an offer to start a GR to rescind the

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-09 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 02:01:52AM +0200, Rob Burgers wrote: you know all this flamin is starting to make you guys look like childeren.. yer profesionals act like it otherwise debian will lose its user base. Well, i got suspended for a year, because i dared present myself as DPL, and some felt

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-09 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 08:21:15AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 02:01:52AM +0200, Rob Burgers wrote: you know all this flamin is starting to make you guys look like childeren.. yer profesionals act like it otherwise debian will lose its user base. Well, i got suspended

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-09 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 11:45:03PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 08:21:15AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 02:01:52AM +0200, Rob Burgers wrote: you know all this flamin is starting to make you guys look like childeren.. yer profesionals act

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-09 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 02:01 +0200, Rob Burgers wrote: you know all this flamin There's a difference between an argument and flaming. is starting to make you guys look like childeren.. I see you're trying to fit in by writing like a child. (See, *that's* a flame.) yer profesionals act like

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-09 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 08:21 +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 02:01:52AM +0200, Rob Burgers wrote: you know all this flamin is starting to make you guys look like childeren.. yer profesionals act like it otherwise debian will lose its user base. Well, i got suspended for a

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-09 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 11:23:21PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 08:21 +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 02:01:52AM +0200, Rob Burgers wrote: you know all this flamin is starting to make you guys look like childeren.. yer profesionals act like it

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-08 Thread Rob Burgers
you know all this flamin is starting to make you guys look like childeren.. yer profesionals act like it otherwise debian will lose its user base. my 0.2 cents. 2007/4/29, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, Apr 29, 2007 at 05:41:03AM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: Sam Hocevar [EMAIL

A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-04-29 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Apr 29, 2007 at 05:41:03AM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: Sam Hocevar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I DID NOT CREATE THIS WEBSITE AND I AM NOT A MEMBER OF THIS ORGANISATION. While I appreciate that member is almost certainly something without any especially well defined meaning, you