On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 01:25:44PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
So, the full position statement proposed is:
THE DEBIAN PROJECT:
1. reaffirms its dedication to providing a 100% free system to
our users according to
On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 08:20:06AM +0200, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote:
On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 01:25:44PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
So, the full position statement proposed is:
THE DEBIAN PROJECT:
1. reaffirms its
Lionel Elie Mamane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I've tried to consolidate all the little I would second this if and
remarks that people made (and I agree to), but that MJ Ray didn't
outright reject. How about something like that? Would in particular MJ
Raj, Sven Luther, Julien Blache agree
On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 03:53:00PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why do you mention the admin section of the non-free archive ? I
mean, sections are mostly obsolet with the new pool structure, and
it is not clear what is meant here.
I mean packages with a Section:
MJ Ray wrote:
So, the full position statement proposed is:
THE DEBIAN PROJECT:
1. reaffirms its dedication to providing a 100% free system to
our users according to our Social Contract and the DFSG; and
Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Le mardi 05 septembre 2006 =E0 17:28 -0400, Joey Hess a =E9crit :
AIUI, I would word your proposal something like this:
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3. as a special exception to help users who have vital hardware
without free firmware, the Debian installation media images may
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would otherwise support a similar amendment, but I
in this form I consider it harmful to our cause.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Prove it.
I should prove that Debian distributing illegal proprietary kernel
drivers would really be a bad idea?
No, prove that you would
Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No, prove that you would otherwise support a similar amendment.
I am not sure how this can be done. [...]
By putting one forward, for example.
Actions, not hollow promises. After all, my proposal is essentially
a new archive
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Here is my (slightly rushed) write-up of a non-free-hw compromise
option. Please second it if you think it should appear on the vote.
This amendment to [EMAIL PROTECTED] removes
the rationale and therefore, replaces authors in point 2 with
On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 01:25:44PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
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Well, i think we are going to have too many options on that ballot, i think we
should do some rationalizing at some point, and keep only a few which will
represent most opinions, and work on
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (MJ Ray) wrote:
Hi,
3. as a special exception to help users who have vital hardware
^
without free software drivers yet, the Debian system and official CD
We'll soon have a 200+ posts sub-thread trying
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, i think we are going to have too many options on that ballot, i think we
should do some rationalizing at some point, and keep only a few which will
represent most opinions, and work on polishing their wordings instead of
everyone proposing their pet
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Julien BLACHE [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (MJ Ray) wrote:
3. as a special exception to help users who have vital hardware
^
without free software drivers yet, the
On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 03:53:00PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, i think we are going to have too many options on that ballot, i think
we
should do some rationalizing at some point, and keep only a few which will
represent most opinions, and work on polishing
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
3. as a special exception to help users who have vital hardware
^
without free software drivers yet, the Debian system and official CD
We'll soon have a 200+ posts sub-thread trying
On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 03:53:00PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, i think we are going to have too many options on that ballot, i think
we
should do some rationalizing at some point, and keep only a few which will
represent most opinions, and work on polishing
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
3. as a special exception to help users who have vital hardware
without free software drivers yet, the Debian system and official CD
images may include hardware-support packages from the admin section of
the non-free archive area which conform to all Debian
MJ Ray wrote:
3. as a special exception to help users who have vital hardware
without free software drivers yet, the Debian system and official CD
images may include hardware-support packages from the admin section of
the non-free archive area which conform to all Debian Free
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MJ Ray wrote:
3. as a special exception to help users who have vital hardware
without free software drivers yet, the Debian system and official CD
images may include hardware-support packages from the admin section of
the non-free archive area which
Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the non-free archive area which conform to all Debian Free Software
Guidelines except guideline 2 (Source Code), or an archive section/area
with equivalent requirements.
This may include proprietary kernel drivers and will exclude
MJ Ray wrote:
Apart from maybe possibly getting the wrong section, I think all of those
so-called 'serious flaws' are based on misreading the proposal.
It certianly seems to be based on us having different defintions of
terms including the Debian system and drivers.
AIUI, I would word your
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This may include proprietary kernel drivers and will exclude important
firmwares which are not legally modifiable. Both too much and too little
at the same time.
How would you exclude proprietary kernel drivers while allowing important
firmwares which are not legally
Le mardi 05 septembre 2006 à 17:28 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit :
AIUI, I would word your proposal something like this:
3. as a special exception to help users who have vital hardware
without free firmware, the Debian installation media images may
include selected firmware from non-free
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