On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 10:34:06PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
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Sven Luther wrote:
On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 10:09:14AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
I think you're wrong here, unless you're using an unusual definition
of distributable.
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Sven Luther wrote:
On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 10:09:14AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
I think you're wrong here, unless you're using an unusual definition
of distributable. The usual definition used by debian-legal is We have
explicit legal
Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 12 September 2006 13:04, MJ Ray wrote:
Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...]
to the removal from the distribution (main) of software that could be
Please, drop the scare quotes on software.
No, I don't think so. There are people who
A couple weeks ago, Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My rough summary:
- (almost) everybody agrees that non-free drivers don't belong in main;
- (almost) everybody agrees that sourceless firmware at least needs to be
distributable before any kind of support can be considered;
- most people
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 01:22:24AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
On Tuesday 12 September 2006 13:04, MJ Ray wrote:
Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...]
to the removal from the distribution (main) of software that could be
Please, drop the scare quotes on software.
No, I don't think so.
On Tuesday 12 September 2006 05:39, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 01:47:18AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
The project acknowledges that a lot of progress has been made with
regard to the removal from the distribution (main) of software that
could be considered non-free given the
On Tuesday 12 September 2006 11:09, Sven Luther wrote:
The position of the d-i team has so far been presented by Joey Hess and
there have been some contributions from other d-i team members (Yoe,
p2-mate, bubulle). Joey has given an overview of the impact of removing
firmware from main on
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 12:58:34AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
On Tuesday 12 September 2006 11:09, Sven Luther wrote:
The position of the d-i team has so far been presented by Joey Hess and
there have been some contributions from other d-i team members (Yoe,
p2-mate, bubulle). Joey has given
On Tuesday 12 September 2006 07:38, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:39:35 -0700, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 01:47:18AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
(c) Following the release of etch, the Debian Project Leader shall:
i. ensure that the Debian
On Tuesday 12 September 2006 13:04, MJ Ray wrote:
Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...]
to the removal from the distribution (main) of software that could be
Please, drop the scare quotes on software.
No, I don't think so. There are people who feel that everything that is not
hardware is
On Monday 18 September 2006 16:09, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
The project acknowledges that a lot of progress has been made with
regard to the removal from the distribution (main) of software that
could be considered non-free given the current wording of the Social
Contract.
You mean
Note: for purposes of discussion, I will use the term firmware to refer to
the binary executables loaded into various peripherals by the Linux kernel.
Properly speaking these are *not* firmware -- if they have to be loaded at
every boot, they're not firm, they're just software -- but that's
Steve Langasek wrote:
On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 01:47:18AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
The project acknowledges that a lot of progress has been made with regard
to the removal from the distribution (main) of software that could be
considered non-free given the current wording of the Social
On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 10:09:14AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
I think you're wrong here, unless you're using an unusual definition
of distributable. The usual definition used by debian-legal is We have
explicit legal permission to distribute it. If you were right, we wouldn't
have 46
On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 01:47:18AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
Some statistics to give an indication (this is based on my local mailbox
of d-vote for Aug/Sept for subjects containing source or firmware with
only some irrelevant subthreads deleted).
In total 465 posts from approximately 80
Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...]
to the removal from the distribution (main) of software that could be
Please, drop the scare quotes on software.
[...] i. ensure that the Debian community has a good understanding
of the technical and legal issues that prevent the
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 01:47:18AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
There are also indications that a significant group of people within the
project feels that the current Social Contract does not meet the best
interests of the project in that the current
With this message I formally second Frans Pop's proposed resolution from
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ciao,
Marco
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MJ Ray wrote:
Which brings me to a related point: some participants in this discussion
have been poor at mentioning vital roles they hold, or making it clear
what hat(s) they are wearing. Sorry to break it to people, but 'see
shy jo' is not that famous yet that it makes everyone remember 'ah,
It was a nice surprise finding several huge threads waiting for me after my
return from VAC. I had browsed the archives while at Steve McIntyre's annual
BBQ (thanks Steve, it was great!), but amazing how much mail had been
written since then.
Both personally and in my role as D-I release
On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 01:47:18AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
The project acknowledges that a lot of progress has been made with regard
to the removal from the distribution (main) of software that could be
considered non-free given the current wording of the Social Contract.
However, in some
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:39:35 -0700, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 01:47:18AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
(c) Following the release of etch, the Debian Project Leader shall:
i. ensure that the Debian community has a good understanding
of the technical and legal
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